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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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NO. Necromancy is not a simple field. Goldenking can't just pull a bunch of strong necromancers out of nowhere. So I imagine that his mages won't be able to do much more than create a small handful of skeletons and zombies, which is pretty much a joke.

Goldenking, you can't keep doing this.

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Modern day classics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Russia is not Western by any standard? Uh, no, that's just wrong, sorry.

The relevance of the so-called "Western canon" may be questionable. The degree to which it is exclusively Western may be questionable. But it is an abstract concept that CLEARLY exists, and has clearly had a great deal of influence on certain segments of the Western world.

"One Hundred Years of Solitude and Love in the Time of Cholera at least will live on as long as the human race does."

With all due respect, I really think we'd be better off avoiding grandiose hyperbole in this discussion. Why are we judging each other over which writers we have and haven't heard of?

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This week's scheduled chats in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Which is another good argument for not making them google-accessible ;)

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Classic RPG Heritage Poll in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You may be the only person here, TM. Many people here are massively shameless pirates. Exceedingly few read Japanese.

This may be one place where age is a factor. When I was in third grade, half the boys in the class had played Dragon Warrior. (And everybody watched the Super Mario Bros. Super Show after school. Oh, how I miss the late 80's.) I got used to the lack of "technological" advances before they were around, so they seem superfluous to me; younger gamers no doubt take them for granted. Ultima IV is a gem, but you're still right. I don't think I could play it today either, if I didn't already know how it all tied together.

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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Meaning and aesthetics are pretty much the two things we're after in any arena, no?

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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NO.

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Definitely NO.

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Hardiness and Armor in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Yes, Jeff was pretty clear about that. Also, if armor effect really was random as you suggest, then that means we would expect to see HUGE damage variances when a character wearing lots of armor is hit, much huger than the variances when an unarmored character is hit. And that's not the case at all.

Also, about Hardiness: Hardiness does not give 1% armor per point. It gives 2% armor per point, BUT this bonus is not displayed, AND it is subject to the 10-cap many skills have, so 10-11 hardiness gives 20% armor, 12-13 gives 22%, 20-22 gives 30%, 23-25 gives 32%, and so on. That means that your test at 20 Hardiness is really providing 30% damage reduction. So reducing the range max from 11 to 8 makes perfect sense. Reducing the range min from 5 to 1 makes less sense, but because the numbers are so tiny, I really think it's a min value or rounding issue. To clarify this issue, tests with bigger damage values are needed.

Also note that Luck displays a 1% armor bonus per point, but Luck does not actually provide any armor at all.

Protection reduces all damage by 25%. Steel Skin does as well. They are cumulative. Prismatic Shield reduces elemental damage by 0-50% determined randomly for each attack.

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Classic RPG Heritage Poll in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Personally, I think it's the new DQs that blow. Dragon Warrior II is one of my favorite games of all time; it was so well balanced.

The gold box engine did seem to get worse at higher levels. I never played PoD, but Poolrad > Curse > Blades, so it figures. OTOH, Dark Queen of Krynn was great.

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Well, can somebody do a really short summary then?

Who attacked whom?
What forces and/or cities were destroyed?
What was the end result?
And what the heck was all that stuff about chests and bookmarks?

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Modern day classics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Randomizer:

Christopher Marlowe was a better writer than Shakespear
Isn't this just a tad subjective to assert without anything to back it up?

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Classic RPG Heritage Poll in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Survey composition:
There are lots of games that can be considered "major" classic RPGs. I tried to keep the list manageable, while hitting all of the most influential games. I did focus on the branches of the family closest to Exile (hence the presence of Bard's Tale and Might & Magic, which did not begat entire branches like Ultima and Wizardry did).

Hack is covered under Roguelikes, unless you are thinking of a different Hack. I don't think the 80's Hobbit was really big enough to cover. I haven't played any pre-90's Trek games, and the ones I did were all pretty crappy. Any games in particular you were thinking of?

Baldur's Gate, Diablo, and games like those, while good, are definitely not "classic" RPGs. And given the action elements some of them use, I'd really need to include Legend of Zelda and Wolfenstein 3-D before putting them on, anyway.

Ultima Online probably shouldn't go in the Ultima category. Too late -- I suspect it already got a few votes off UO.

Results:
Very few here have played Ultima and Wizardry, the games Jeff has most often cited as influences. As far as comparable games go, a decent number have played Realmz, but few have played the Gold Box series, which is a crime.

Pool of Radiance is a wonderful game. I actually have three copies of it in various parts of the country (PC, Mac, and NES). I lost my translation wheel a long time ago, but somehow remember enough keywords that it hasn't been a problem.

I am also astonished that so few people have played Dragon Quest, particularly considering the numbers for Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem was never officially released in English until 2004, and then only one game, I think, whereas most of the Dragon Quests have been out in English. Don't get me wrong, Fire Emblem is a great series, but Dragon Quest is just so freaking influential.

I've actually completed Angband as well. It was rewarding, but not rewarding enough to account for all the frustration (and tedium) that accompanied it.

I am completely shocked that twice as many people have played Roguelikes as have played Rogue. I honestly didn't think they had such a big audience these days. It's also surprising to see that they are the most popular answer outside of SW games, more popular even than Final Fantasy. That says something potentially interesting about the SW fanbase, or at least the forum fanbase, considering how distinct Roguelikes are from SW-style games.

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Classic RPG Heritage Poll in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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I probably should have included King's Quest, at least, but I figured that Zork was adequate representation for the so-called adventure genre.

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Modern day classics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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On the subject of escapism:
"All the best stories in the world are but one story in reality -- the story of escape. It is the only thing which interests us all and at all times, how to escape."
-- A.C. Benson

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Just because we all love census topics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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What is the weirdest thing you've ever seen? I dunno. It takes a lot to weird me out. The most horrifying thing I've ever seen was the "Emergency Delivery: Delivery Complications" video I saw as part of my emergency medical response training.
What is the weirdest thing you've done? Sorry, I'm not putting that on the web, thanks.
What is the most humiliating thing you have ever done for money? Obeyed my parents, if "not getting disowned" counts as for money. *shiver*
What is the most humiliating thing you would ever do for money? I dunno. I'm pretty shameless, and I don't value money highly. So I can't think of much.
If you could travel back time, what historical event would you like to witness “live” and why? Tough question. Off the top of my head, Socrates' "Apology" would be pretty cool. I don't care if it's cliché to put Socrates on a pedestal; he deserves to be there.
If you were a meal how would you describe yourself? amorphous
Have you ever gone a whole day without wearing underwear? Yes, of course.
What is the stupidest thing you’ve ever bought? Heh. Honestly, the answer may well be "my college education."
If you had to kill a SW member, who would it be and why? I'm still collecting data on this one. There are many good candidates.
If you had to pick between TM or Alec, who would you pick? and WHY? Alec. No question. He's my, uh, word I'm not going to use here, and he knows it.

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Classic RPG Heritage Poll in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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After a recent conversation with Tyranicus, I've been wondering how familiar Spidwebbers are with the so-called "classic RPG" heritage, the games from 10 and 20 years ago that had a big influence on Exile and other SW games. So, here's a simple poll.

For the purposes of this poll, "finishing" a game means that you played a big chunk of it. Halfway through is probably enough. The main idea is that trying a game once for fifteen minutes doesn't count.

(Exception: you do not need to have finished Rogue or Roguelikes. Few people finish those.)

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Hardiness and Armor in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You're right. Err, not sure how I missed that part. Sorry!

So, you're right, this is pretty weird. Now I am thinking these results may be affected by some kind of minimum value requirement imposed at some point in the calculation, or by a weird way of dealing with remainders. The data would probably be easier to interpret if it dealt with a much stronger attack (say, ranging up to 50 damage). Obviously, such data is also more of a hassle to collect.

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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If someone wants to make a summary entry in the summary thread specifically for the Krizsan battle, I think that might be useful. I for one have had a tremendously difficult time following it, and I suspect most of us (besides TM, Dintiradan, and Wonko) are at least moderately confused as to the details of what has gone on.

Ideally, this would be a bullet point summary in short, simple sentences simply listing the major events that have happened in the battle, in roughly chronological order, with no details.

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Modern day classics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Siegfried der Waelsung:

Similarly, without Richard Wagner's Tristan und Isolde, who in their right mind -- and professors of medieval literature do not count -- would care a whit for the old legends of Tristan and Isolde?
Well, since you asked... I have never encountered Wagner's version, but I like the old story, and am rather fond of Matthew Arnold's Tristram and Iseult.

The argument you are making seems to take the form, again and again, of "who would care about version X if not for version Y?" That argument only works, though, if you believe version Y is superior. When you don't explain why you think it is superior, you're just making assertions without even trying to justify them.

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The reason... that RW speaks to us while JRRT does not and never did is the following:
I assume you are using the royal "us"? :) It's easy for me to argue against this because JRRT *does* speak to me, so I know there is something in his stuff capable of speaking to someone. I am perfectly willing to assume the same thing about RW (unfortunate set of initials there, btw, heh) speaking to you. Plenty of other people can be added to both lists, of course.

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RW's philosophy is about the apotheosis of Man (note the capital "M"), about human beings making their way in a world without gods and forging their own destinies. He mined ancient legends for that reason. Tolkien, by contrast, liked the old legends because he wanted a return to old sureties, and believed that a world without God was leading to disaster; that people could not act in the world without the steadying hand of religious and spiritual devotion, else they would royally mess things up; yadda yadda yadda. :o
Although Tolkien was religious, I would strongly disagree with the underlying philosophy you have attributed to his works. Strongly. Far from pushing devotion, Tolkien was all but obsessed with his idea of individual freedom. He believed that people needed to act with regard for morality, but this is absolutely not synonymous with "religious and spiritual devotion." The most identiable theme in his works, as far as royally messing things up goes, is that people screw things up when they attempt to control and take dominion over other people. This is most clearly delineated in his essay "On Fairy-Stories" which I suspect many reading this thread would find interesting (though it is dense). It should be googleable.

HOWEVER, even if we suppose that were his philosophy and his intention: so what? One author mines ancient legends to write about men in a godless world. Another author mines ancient legends to write about men in a godded world. Why is one automatically inferior to the other? Whatever your view is about the existence or relevance of gods, it seems to me that both sorts of writing would have many relevant things to say!

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It's definitely the insipid conventional wisdom,
Sorry to harp on this, but I really would like to understand what you mean by "insipid conventional wisdom."

On Orwell: Okay, so I guess you don't like straight-up allegories... you have some delicious invective in there, but if you explained why you don't like them, I missed it. Beyond that, I don't really know enough about his politics to comment. I liked Animal Farm, though, and I liked it on its own merits as a story.

[ Thursday, March 30, 2006 15:29: Message edited by: Dame Annals ]

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Modern day classics in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Your cynical view of Tolkien is rather simplistic.

"Derivative" is a very serious adjective, but it is one with many shades of meaning. If you label anything that borries a story, or pieces of one, or a certain stylistic technique, as derivative, then you will be hard-pressed to find anything worthy of being called a classic. Shakespeare is most often pointed to as an example of someone who cribbed all of his stories from older writers; whatever you think of his work as a whole, it would be absurd to label his poetry, his wordplay, and his characterizations as "derivative."

The same is true of Tolkien. He did not invent the "fantasy world" and anyone who tells you he did is an idiot. Like Shakespeare, he had no scruples in taking stories he was fond of and using them in his own creative pursuits. He didn't try to hide this. (Wagner, incidentally, has much less of a claim in this regard than Snorri Sturluson does.)

In this regard he is no different from David Eddings or any other fantasy writer. But what Tolkien did with the stories at that point was not at all derivative.

I'm not sure how exactly you can suggest that Eliot had talent and Tolkien did not. I suppose you like Eliot better; that's perfectly reasonable, but it's just a preference. And as for "that tiresome Anglican thing" -- how exactly did that interfere with any of his writing?

So just what is "insipid conventional wisdom," anyhow? What those words conjure up for me is something very different from the wisdom contained in folk tales; and it is the latter sort of wisdom to which Tolkien (and Wagner, and Marquez, and yes, Orwell) err closer, if anything.

[ Thursday, March 30, 2006 14:23: Message edited by: Dame Annals ]

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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So, when does Goldenking get back? O_o

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just a general question with no apparent connection to anything of relevance... in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You're an ADOM fan, Aran?
Mhmmm...

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Hardiness and Armor in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by EvilEye:

20 points in hardiness sometimes decreased 5 damage to 1 damage.
You're making a false assumption here. You cannot directly see the amount of decrease in damage hardiness causes. Why? Damage is rolled randomly EACH TIME an attack hits. So, unless you have more information than you are giving (for example, if the attack had a damage range of 5-10 against 0 hardiness and 1-2 against 20 hardiness, over many trials of each), you can't draw that conclusion.

I've never seen anything to discount the conclusion the damage is random, but armor % reduction is consistent. If you have new data I'd love to see it, though.

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Slith Warrior in Avernum 4
Raven v. Writing Desk
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There IS a level cap, but it's NOT 55. It's level 60.

It is, however, highly unlikely (and possibly impossible) to get your level anywhere near this high without cheating. Singletons have been around level 45 at the end of the game, IIRC.

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An RP in the World of Avernum *Reloaded* in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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We goblins must learn to trust and rely on each other. However, it's always good to have a backup plan. And if the backup plan also involves relying on goblins, you will want to have a third plan. If that plan also involves relying on goblins, you will want to have a fourth plan...

-- The Great Authoritative Extra Great Guide to Killing, Slaying, Butchering, and Otherwise Disemboweling Humans
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Gobubary was born as a cripple, and it was for that defect that he was given his name. Goblin names don't mean anything, but the sound of 'Gobubary' was said to resemble the sight of the infant goblin trying to move about. For Gobubary had been born with only one leg.

It wasn't simply that he had a missing leg; rather, where other goblins would have two legs, he simply had one big leg. In most days he would have been killed, but under Glogroth's enlightened rule, his life had been spared. Despite his defect, or perhaps because of it, Gobubary was driven to learn more than the other goblins, and to be better than them, even with a sword. And due to his unusual perseverence, he had succeeded.

Of course, he still couldn't walk. He had a pair of crutches, and his leg only grew less useful with age and disuse, until eventually he began to drag it behind him when he walked, propelling himself forward with the crutches and then -- schllloompf, up swings the leg. Propel, schllloompf.

So he was a horror on the field of war. He couldn't move fast enough to keep up with troops, he couldn't ride a worg, and while he could fence as well as any living statue, that still made him a less than effective fieldmarshall. Nonetheless, he was smart, and tactically astute, and he had a vitality and stubbornness to him that endeared him to most anyone he worked with. So Glogroth reluctantly agreed to put him in charge of one of their armies: though not any in the first wave.

His leadership was a comical sight, one that both he and his men took many laughs from, and it kept them in good cheer. For in order to keep up with the army, Gobubary had to be carried in a litter.

One fateful day, when Gobubary's army was about halfway down the isthmus, his scouts reported seeing a ship anchored near the coast. At that news, Gobubary has hissed gleefully; for humans were practically the only creatures who ever used ships. But the scouts had not seen anyone by the ship. So Gobubary ordered his men to spread out, to try and form a great semicircle around the ship; that way, if they found the passengers on the isthmus, they would have them surrounded. With the several hundred goblins in the army, this was relatively easily done; but their forces would be spread thin, and if the humans were discovered, the rest of the army would have to close in quickly, to prevent the humans from gaining any advantage.

The goblins ran off to follow Gobubary's orders. His litter took him to the center of their lines. And sure enough, about an hour later, cries rang out to his right; the goblins had encountered someone. Quickly, Gobubary shouted out orders for all goblins to close in on the fighting.

"All of us?" asked Pako, one of his lieutenants and his chief litter-bearer.

"No, none of you!" snapped Gobubary, sarcastically. Go kill the humans this second!"

"All right," said Pako. And at once all the litter-bearers dropped the litter and began to race towards the shrieks and cries.

"You gobbing gobtards!" shrieked Gobubary. Pako turned around, and what she saw replayed itself again and again in her mind, in slow motion. The litter had struck the ground at an angle, and Gobubary's useless leg bounced off of it, and propelled him several feet in the air. He landed head-first on a rock outcropping. There was blood everywhere. His head was smashed. Gobubary was dead.

Pako steeled herself and turned to follow her fellow litter-bearers, who hadn't even turned around and were already on their way to the skirmish.

She hoped there weren't very many humans, or that they were poorly armed. She really wasn't in a mood to fight. She had been terribly shaken by the image of Gobubary's giant leg, which, cushioned by his head and torso, had survived the impact quite nicely.

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Dude. Take a lesson in the internet. There's no vocal inflection. That's why people use stuff like :P to make it clear when they aren't being serious. We clearly have different senses of what is realistic, as our argument about teleportation indicates, so I don't know why you'd expect me to recognize uninflected sarcasm...

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