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A Change of Structure in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #155
Looks like I just increased the number of topics I've started by 25%. :)

Aran, do you also plan to calculate each user's post distribution by forums, average number of posts per thread posted in (tendency to participate in debates), and other fun trivia?

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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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What style of graphics would you like to see in Avernum 5? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #0
Since Jeff is reading these boards, this might be a good time to discuss what kind of graphics we want to see in future Spidweb games. This poll is about graphics alone, rather than skill system, spells, or any other part of the games.

Exile Trilogy / BoE category refers to Exile 1, Exile 2, Exile 3 and the user-made graphics for Blades of Exile. Since graphics changed during the course of the trilogy, please consider most recent / best graphics.

Avernum Trilogy / BoA category refers to Avernum 1, Avernum 2, Avernum 3 and the user-made graphics for Blades of Avernum. Since graphics changed during the course of the trilogy, please consider most recent / best graphics.

Avernum 4 category refers to Avernum 4, with its use of recolored images to represent different ranks of soldiers, Drakons recycled as Sliths, etc. Jeff had said that he can not afford to hire a team of professional artists, so what we see in A4 is what we are likely to get in A5 with this option.

Finally, please take this poll seriously. If you want to have some fun, wait until question 4 of the poll.

[ Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:32: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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Xylgham udwlnit skretcko!1!! in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #54
The sequel is just as good as the original. Let's just hope there will not also be 3 prequels. :)

Infernal, Plutonium is still available, if you want a famous radioactive substance used in weapons.

quote:
Originally written by Possession:

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Also, I neither would've helped the other Spidwebbers since I don't really feel very highly of them all in all. I would've just ignored them until they figured to leave me alone. Most likely I would've spent my time stalking Khoth and observing the war events happening from a distance.

As it is, I refuse any other possibility other than that I simply was not present.
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Minor characters still die in "everybody dies" endings. In fact, they die even faster than major ones. :) So I predict that you will have died from random friendly fire in Geneforge, or when Ur-Noob was searching for hiding Spidwebbers in General.

quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Great, now I'm going to be dead for a long, long time. Me and my big mouth.
Don't worry, I am sure there are people here capable of building a particle accelerator. (*i is the first person who comes to mind.)

[ Tuesday, April 25, 2006 08:03: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
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Keeping your old pets around (GF2) in Geneforge Series
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #1
A cryoa that I kept from the start of the game (made it the same way you did) was half as strong as Dryak for about 1/10th of the cost by the time I could get Dryaks. Eventually I did get rid of it because of the 4 creature types limit (I had more essence than I knew what to do with by that point), but a pair of cryoas (along with some periodically-replaced creations) served me well for most of the game. I didn't even invest any additional essence into them, so all stat gain came from level-up.

And a note about XP: the penalty is much smaller than the gain for other creations. (You lose about 20%, while your creations gain 100%.) Also, the higher your level, the less experience you get from killing same monsters and doing most quests, so there isn't much advantage in not making extra creations.

[ Monday, April 24, 2006 15:48: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Av1, 2, Total inept +plus brittle bones rocks in The Avernum Trilogy
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #10
If I am not mistaken, the amount of experience you get for killing things depends on level of your highest-level character. So the levels of all of your other characters were held back by the presence of that high-level disadvantaged priest. It sounds like you did fine anyway, but I wonder if you would have had easier time in the end-game with a more conventional party.

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Power Corrupts in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #111
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

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"By definition, God is the greatest of all possible beings. A non-existent being is clearly less great than one which exists. Therefore God must exist." (Anselm of Canterbury, 11th century).
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I am still curious about this, so I'll try again, this time with a more detailed explanation. By the way, could you summarize (or give a link to a summary of) Kant's argument.

First let me switch steps 1 and 2 of the proof, because that doesn't change the meaning, but makes my arguments shorter:

1. A non-existent being is clearly less great than one which exists.
2. By definition, God is the greatest of all possible beings.
3. Therefore God must exist.

Here is what you are doing in the proof:

Step 0: Define a quantity X ("greatness") that can be compared for all beings.

Step 1: Modify definition of X to say that it's greater for existing beings than for non-existing ones. (Let's say positive for existing beings, negative for non-existing ones.)

Step 2: Define "God" (G) as a being that has the largest X (maxX) and a set of other qualities (Y). (Omnipotense and omniscentience are some of the qualities included in Y.)

Step 3: G has maxX, so it must exist.

The problem here is in Step 2, where you assume that an object G combines two sets of qualities: maxX (which implies existance) and Y (which doesn't). Just because this assumption is called "definition" doesn't make it true. It could be a false definition.

It's true that there is an object O1 that exists and has maxX. (Because that's how we defined X.)

It's also true that we can make up an object O2 which has Y, but doesn't necessarily exist.

However, nothing in our proof implies that O1 = O2. To be more presice, we still have to prove that O1 and O2 are the same object. We can't just "define" an object G that is both O1 and O2 simultaneously.

[ Monday, April 24, 2006 11:31: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Power Corrupts in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #19
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

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"By definition, God is the greatest of all possible beings. A non-existent being is clearly less great than one which exists. Therefore God must exist." (Anselm of Canterbury, 11th century).

It's hard to imagine who might actually be convinced by this argument; but major philosophers ever since Anselm have struggled to put their fingers precisely on what is wrong with it.

This looks like a good examples of people's assumptions interfering with their logic: The problem with this proof is external to the proof itself and lies in the definition of "God":

1. By the Bible's definition, God is the greatest of all possible beings.
2. A non-existent being is clearly less great than one which exists.
3. 1 and 2 imply that God must exist.

However, how do we know that Bible's definition of "God" is true? Because Bible is the word of god.
4. God exists, implies that Bible is true.

If we assume some other definition for "god", for example, any polytheistic definition, Step 1 of above reasoning would no longer apply.

EDIT: This also illustrates why religious arguments between religious people and atheists, or between followers of different religions usually go in circles, getting nowhere. Since different religions have different definitions of divine, morality, soul, life, and so on, the axioms of one side, don't apply to the other side in such debates, which makes any logical reasoning pretty difficult.

[ Friday, April 21, 2006 16:20: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
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"Policing" ourselves? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #26
Aran, considering the number of referencies to that thread here, I think it's important for people to see it in its original form (if for no other reason than to judge for themselves whether I am quoting Archmagus Micael out of context.) So could you please put the nazi thread back into public view.

PS As for "a reason to equate antisemitism with criticism of Israel's foreign policy", I am not opposed to any criticism of Israel's foreign policy, as long as the critics can explain why they aren't aplying the same level of scrutiny to the Arab Sudan, African Nigeria, or any of the other African and Asian countries with equally, or, in many cases, more questionable policies.

PPS And I agree that the point of this discussion should remain on whether it is wrong to compare Jews to Hitler, rather than discussing which modern country has the most questionable foreign policy.

EDIT: Thank you.

[ Friday, April 21, 2006 11:22: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
"Policing" ourselves? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #24
quote:
Originally written by Archmagus Micael:

I'm NOT a Nazi. I was just saying that now we are more educated about what actually happened. While the war was going on, people weren't quite sure what was going on. The post makes far more sense in Topic. I'm just saying that nowadays, some of the pointless things Jews do are fresher in our minds, and that's what we notice. I'm in no way excusing Hitler or what he did. What he did was terrible, but what some Jews are doing now is wrong. They're both wrong, maybe Hitler a bit more, but we've all had 50 years to decide that. What's happening now we can't talk about as unbiasedly.

- Archmagus Micael

Besides, as far as I can see, this is the only thread about Nazis on the TCoA.

"...Thay're both wrong, maybe Hitler a bit more..." ?!

"a bit more" ?!

Oh yes, all those gas chambers the Jews are building for "the final solution" to the "Palestinian Problem". Considering that Jews killed more civilians in last couple of years than anybody else in the world (and if you believe that, check out casualty numbers for Iraq, or Sudan, or any of the conflicts that didn't make the headlines), it's no wonder they are the ones compared to Hitler.

After all, as we recently found out, thanks to some corageous professors, everything from 9/11 attacks to Iraq War is the fault of the Zionist lobby. So it's quite obvious that the ones whom you should be compairing to Hitler are Jews, rather than Arab government of Sudan, or Christian governments of Britain and USA.
[/sarcasm]

The second problem with comparison between Jews and Hitler is that it encourages sentiments like this (from Tyranicus):
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On topic: Hitler was a mentally unstable man. He had some major issues, but he has been villified way to much. He did have some good ideas for reforming Germany, but he also made some social blunders (see Holocaust) and military blunders (see Dunkirk, Stalingrad, et al)
Am I the only person here who thinks that murdering millions of people in an attempt to wipe out an ethnicity is more than just "a social blunder"?!

Hitler had been villified too much? How would you feel if somebody tried to wipe out all people of your ethnicity and succeded in "purifying" north America? If most of the people you know had some (sometimes distant, sometimes close) relative killed on that person's orders?

The difference between "genocide" and "aggression against civilians" is as big as the difference between a single murder and destroying a city with a nuclear bomb. And even in the "aggression against civilians" category, there are plenty of peoples who should be listed ahead of Jews, unless Jews have a special place in your heart.

[ Friday, April 21, 2006 10:19: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... *Reloaded*" in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #384
quote:
Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni:

...2) I can't care if they are rakshasi, evil hamburgers or giants, I just want to know why they are here. I want to know why TM brought them in, as I have the feeling that we have enough to fight for as it is, without having evil cats who absorb magic all around Ermarian.
It's a tradition in Arena RPs (from which this one originated) to have plots involving an evil enemy so powerful that everybody has to work together to defeat them. I think the term they use is "Rising Menace". So Rakshasi will be such an enemy for this RP. As for why TM is the one controlling them, probably because somebody has to and TM is one of the veterans who know how to run such a plot.

PS And if I understand the idea correctly, the factions will start getting wiped out if you don't work together, just like in any other RP where DM throws in a powerful boss.

[ Friday, April 21, 2006 09:39: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
"Policing" ourselves? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #20
quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Do-er of Stuff:

Besides, my guess is that every "Nazi" in that thread is OM. ...
Is "OM" Archmagus Michael?
quote:
quote:
Wizard wrote:
I must say I hate the Jews more than Hitler nowdays.
Yeah, but that's nowadays. We've had an odd 50 years to reflect on whether Hitler was good or bad. Back when WW2 was around, they didn't have that luxury. We can't really expect them to be as educated about all the facts than we are now.

- Archmagus Micael

Either I totally didn't get this post, or he is agreeing that modern-day Jews are worse than Hitler.

PS I wouldn't delete this forum. You can't shut down every nazi forum on the Internet and it's good to know what some Spidweb members think.

EDIT: I agree that hosting a Nazi forum is bad. I just like this opportunity to find out who the Nazis on these boards are. (I am disturbed, but not really surprized to find out that there are at least a couple.)

[ Friday, April 21, 2006 09:22: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Geneforge without the Geneforge in Geneforge Series
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #2
I completely agree. Variety would be pretty good. Otherwise, canister-crazed Shapers and Geneforge-building Drakons are going to become the evil Vahnatai of the Geneforege world.

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
is this game worth playing in The Exile Trilogy
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #6
quote:
Originally written by lord llama:

im looking at playing these games but am put off by the grafix.is it worth plaing the game despite its poor graix :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
It depends on what you want in your games. If you want a good story and fun gameplay, Exile is great, especially Exile 2 and some BoE scenarios. Think of it like a book: books don't have 3-D graphics or special effects, but some books are more fun than most computer games.

If what you want in your games is realistic graphics, realistic real time movement, etc, buy The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. (However, you might have to buy a new computer to play it. :) )

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Have You Any Pets? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #36
quote:
Originally written by MagmaDragoon:

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Anyway, Zeviz, I fixed the images.

Thank you.

quote:
It doesn't do that to me, I guess it depends on your screen resolution.
Some people have 800x600 screen resolution. And even people with a large resolution often don't have their browser window maximised. (Especially when they are browsing these forums from work.)

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
"Policing" ourselves? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #17
quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

Why don't you join in order to express your point of view?
Because arguing with fascists is a completely useless activity. Nothing a Jew says will change anybody's mind on whether Jews are trying to take over the world. When somebody says "Hitler wasn't such a bad guy", or "Zionists are resonsible for 9/11", he makes his position very clear and continuing the argument will only give him more excuses to preach his cause. And that's just if the person is really preaching his views. If instead he is trying to draw attention away from something (derailing UN conference on racism, making most civil wars and ethnic cleansings lose headline space to "more shots fired in Israel, 3 people injured", etc.) you'll just be playing into his hand by helping him move the argument to Jews away from whatever he is trying to draw attention away from.

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
A Change of Structure in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #125
quote:
Originally written by Erika Maroonmark:

quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

In Russian Empire, "Privy Counsellor" was an actual title, one of the highest in Peter the Great's hierarchy.
Were those the guys who met with him in the bathroom? (Just kidding… =D)

lol I just realized what it sounds like in modern English. I guess it used to mean something different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
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A Few Advance Notes On Geneforge 4 in Geneforge Series
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #187
quote:
Originally written by sharx:

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and as a post to zeviz yeh ive done them (played all geneforge versions a number of times thrugh more than 10 times each but still cant remember much of the specifics) but i like the graphics of the drakon. :D

There is some way to change your character's graphic to whatever you want. (I don't remember how to do it, but some people have done it.) It's not very easy, but if you really want it, you could try. I think you have to overwrite the character picture with the picture of Drakon, but somebody who knows will have to give you the details.

[ Thursday, April 20, 2006 16:42: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
A Few Advance Notes On Geneforge 4 in Geneforge Series
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #184
quote:
Originally written by sharx:

oh yeh its not word i use its open office
Any "office" program has a text editor with a spell-checker in it. And there is nothing embarrassing about using it. I use it myself whenever I want to make sure that my post is completely correct. (Like this one. :) ) In fact, it just found a typo for me. (I've originally typed "emberrassing", instead of "embarrassing".)

As for the ideas in your original post, some of them you can try in some games already: If you use the Genefoge in Geneforge I, you don't turn into a Drakon, but still become powerful enough to destroy almost anything. Also, there are some places in Geneforge 3 where you get to command parts of Shaper army. It's not much of a command, but still gets a bunch of soldiers to follow your orders.

PS And thank you for trying to make your posts easier to read. :)

RE-EDIT: Thanks, now your post is far more readable than before.

[ Thursday, April 20, 2006 16:39: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
A Change of Structure in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #123
quote:
Originally written by Strontium:

In terms of political influence a royal advisor is more than a nobleman but in terms of wealth/freedom this is not necessarily so. Although a royal advisor influences the king he/she has little direct influence over the public at large whereas a nobleman has direct influence over his fiefdom ad an ability to generate wealth and power independance of the king.

In fact, a particularly strong nobleman might have wealth, power and influence to rival a weak king - as a king only gets its power from the nobles who support him.

This is true for a feudal system. However, the world of Exile/Avernum seems to be in the late stages of absolute monarchy, so I assume that Royal Advisor would be similar to a Privy Counsellor. Privy Counsellors were predesessors of modern ministers. Those people were high-ranked nobles, with additional powers. (In Russian Empire, "Privy Counsellor" was an actual title, one of the highest in Peter the Great's hierarchy.)

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Have You Any Pets? in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #29
MagmaDragoon, your pictures stretch the forums so much that we will have to scroll to read every line of text, which will quickly get quite annoying, as this sentence illustrates. Could you replace the pictures with thumbnail links (much smaller pictures that link to larger ones), or at least shrink all of them to be the same width as the first one you've posted.

As for this thread's topic, I have a dog called Tishka (from Russian word for quiet/shy). He is a labrador/something (possibly chau) mix. He looks like a labrador, but bulkier and with a blue tongue.

[ Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:19: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Beta call for "Where the rivers meet" in Blades of Avernum
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #34
quote:
Originally written by Old Scratch:

Beta testing is one of the most unselfish practices in the world of electronic gaming, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't want to experience a potentially wonderful game while it was still buggy and unpolished. I'm something of a perfectionist and a notorious nitpicker of the English language, so copious typos and bugs can (and often do) ruin my enjoyment of a game.

So hats off to you, beta testers. I've never been one of you, but I couldn't live without your necessary sacrifice.

Beta testing could be a game itself: How many ways can you break the program, do things author didn't anticipate, etc. It's a very different experience from playing the game normally, and you'll be unable to play normally after having gone so deeply into mechanics, seen the plot beforehand, etc. However, there are plenty of other games/scenarios to play normally, so that isn't a big problem.

[ Thursday, April 20, 2006 09:30: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00
Patrick's tower in The Exile Trilogy
Nuke and Pave
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If I remember correctly, there is an important piece of information hidden in Patrick's room in Tower of Magi. I think it's either a portal code for Angerech(sp?), or something related to Empire Portal quest, but I don't remember exactly. (Assuming you are talking about E2.)

[ Thursday, April 20, 2006 08:38: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword,
For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
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A Change of Structure in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #113
About the order of new titles...
quote:
2000 Guild Master
3000 Sage
4000 Royal Advisor
5000 Nobleman
7500 Hero of Exile
Technically, Royal Advisor is a much higher position than a regular Nobleman. I am not sure about Nobleman v. Sage, or Sage v. Guild Master (depends on position of mages in society), but Nobleman and Royal Advisor should probably be switched.

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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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Statistically Yours, on the First Anniversary in General
Nuke and Pave
Member # 24
Profile Homepage #50
quote:
Originally written by Randomizer:

Leave? Why would anyone want to leave here? Have you been out there lately? The people are insane. ...
That's right, all of us are perfectly normal. It's the rest of the world that's crazy. :P

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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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still not getting avernum... in General
Nuke and Pave
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The good old Exile v. Avernum debate is back. :)

Exile has better spell system and better graphics.

Avernum has better skill and experience system, more convenient dialogue system (I can never remember what I am supposed to say to whom), and slightly more dialogue/side quests.

Overall, I ended up registering Avernum.

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However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
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