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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 04:43
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the only spiderweb game i've downloaded and (deliberately, sorry exile 2) deleted. i just don't get the point in doing exile, giving it a rubbish name, putting annoying and hard-to-see graphics (it has to be a 2-d game! the angle of the shots! it's rubbish!) in and putting less stuff in the unregistered. or mabye the new game will be better cause it will have a new plot. mabye :rolleyes: -------------------- Deedle Doot Doot Dee Dee- Let's all go to cat Town- www.spatch.net/cattown The homepage of insanity http://mrsporkula.piczo.com Step Lightly, Stay Free Posts: 21 | Registered: Saturday, April 15 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 04:56
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Yes, Avernum is a remake of Exile with 3-D graphics and more dialogue and quests (the latter two being the only reason why I, for one, like it nearly as much as Exile). Yeah, the moving around takes some getting used to (if you use the numpad it's easier). And the size of the demo is sad. I love the Tower of (the) Magi. ;_; -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 05:14
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As Erika said, it is somewhat of a remake, same main plot, but alot of the small details are different, and the graphics are very different. I personally enjoy the Exile series alot more, feeling a sense of loyalty towards them, being my first Spidweb games. -------------------- I am an idiot. Posts: 775 | Registered: Friday, October 11 2002 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 05:36
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A4 is a new story though. I don't like the graphics or movement of the Avernum series either, but I'm a sucker for a new adventure. I'll suffer through just about anything just to see how it pans out. -------------------- "Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05 "Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley Posts: 1001 | Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 05:39
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I'm with Jewels. A4 has a lot of pointless bashing around that gets really tiresome (thinking about editing my characters to be a God party to get around this) but the story is compelling and keeps me playing. -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 06:33
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quote:Same here. Many people feel loyal to one or the other. I'll probably get around to playing Avernum 4 at some point though, to see what goes on. (And the other Avernums, too, if only for the extra dialogue and trivia. =D) -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 06:35
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*ducks to avoid the oncoming flames* -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 06:41
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally written by Spontaneous Combustion: I personally enjoy the Exile series alot more, feeling a sense of loyalty towards them, being my first Spidweb games. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As I would have written the above: I personally enjoy the Avernum series alot more, feeling a sense of loyalty towards them, being my first Spidweb games. :) -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 07:05
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I enjoy the Avernum series more and started way back with E1. I must be some kind of deviant. —Alorael, who cannot detect sufficient sarcasm from FBM. Fortunately, he's FBM, so it's surely there. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 07:09
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quote:I started with Ex3 and prefer the Avernum series, so you aren't totally alien, Alorael. -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? *Name by Slarty, so blame him if it's filthy... Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 09:20
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Started with Avernum, never even touched Exile. I think the question here is which Avernum bobdylanrocks1966 downloaded. If it was A4, then the unwelcome reception is understandable, since A4 looks and plays absolutely nothing like anything in Exile. But if it's A1/2/3, then I don't quite understand the complaints. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 17:52
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Jeff keeps tinkering with the games in response to user complaints. I started with Exile 3 and found going back to Exile 1 a jolt. You get use to the differences and Exile always has better spells. Avernum has better graphics, but the combat system is only now catching up. Now that I'm in Geneforge 1 I get an idea of where most of Avernum 4 gets most of it bad features. There is no blaming the plot on anything but Jeff not putting much effort into a good storyline. If the Darkside Loyalists had been behind everything, then it might have been better. Each game has its good points and hopefully Jeff will incorporate the best features from all of them for Avernum 5. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 01:04
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I'm with you - the Exile series is great. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 01:27
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quote::confused: FBM is fatman? Now I'm confused. -------------------- Slartucker: * facepalm facepalm facepalm * Dikiyoba: Are you unconscious yet? Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 01:37
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I appear to have started a giant debate. The main thing I hate in Avernum is the combat. I'm not going to knock A4, having not played it. I started with E3, and I still think it's the best one, just because it's all on the surface and the more times you play it, the surface doesn't get as bad as it was last time. You know, a sense of gratification comes from it. Probably. ;) -------------------- Deedle Doot Doot Dee Dee- Let's all go to cat Town- www.spatch.net/cattown The homepage of insanity http://mrsporkula.piczo.com Step Lightly, Stay Free Posts: 21 | Registered: Saturday, April 15 2006 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 05:05
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Really? The main thing I like in A4 is the combat. Being able to haste/bless/shield/heal other alies is something I always thought should be available. Now that I'm thinking about it, though. Is it possible anymore to pick and choose which of your PC's goes first in combat? I found it puzzling that the game changed the order of who fights first, but I could find no option to change it myself. -------------------- "Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05 "Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley Posts: 1001 | Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 05:10
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quote:Alorael messed them up. FBM, (#618) currently "And a Tra La Le La" is not identical with Fatman (#5410), currently Strontium. I checked. ;) -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 05:23
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quote:First in combat is usually the highest dexterity party member. Having a lot of quick action can move one ahead of a higher dexterity. Even with both being the same the order can sometimes shift. Haste/slow, dexterity, and quick action are all factors in determining party order each round. The combat system is changed in each game just a little bit. I hate the earlier Avernum ones. You have to learn how to take advantage of the quirks in each one. I didn't know until I read the thread that blessing 4 times in some games can create god-like damage and the same with protection can make you effectively invulnerable in combat Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 08:06
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Sorry, Fat-s. That was a bad thinko. —Alorael, who slightly prefers Exile's combat to Avernum's. Neither one is overwhelmingly challenging or interesting, but area spells and walls add a little more fun, and Avernum AI is lacking. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 08:38
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And Exile's AI isn't lacking? -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 08:47
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The good old Exile v. Avernum debate is back. :) Exile has better spell system and better graphics. Avernum has better skill and experience system, more convenient dialogue system (I can never remember what I am supposed to say to whom), and slightly more dialogue/side quests. Overall, I ended up registering Avernum. -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 09:04
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quote:Whoo. For a moment there I was confused too. Now for a moment of clarity. In an odd moment of weakness, I expressed opinion without sarcasm. It was meant to be mildly humorous by stealing someone elses post, rewriting it and claiming it as my own. The opinionexpressed within is genuine. I started with Avernum and prefer it, although A4 slid back in terms of storyline and too many mundane monster battles. I have also played Exile enough to appreciate those who would prefer it - just don't count me in. Also, Alo, I am stealing your quote and rewriting it (slightly) -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 09:16
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quote:Luck also affects combat order, or at least the Clover Boots did. Both had 0 gym, qws and qwa. one had 8 dex and 3 lck, one had 7 dex and 4+3 lck. Without the boots the one with the higher dex went first, with the boots the one with the higher lck went first. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 09:43
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quote:I'd say it is fairly common not to put as much stuff in the demo than in the full game. -------------------- Visit the www.monkkonen.net and if you like, be the member of the forums. Posts: 76 | Registered: Sunday, July 20 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 09:49
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quote:But Avernum's demo is way smaller than Exile's. You pretty much can't do anything. The instruction manual says that the "mayor's necklace" quest is the biggest in the Avernum demo. In Exile, you can do all kinds of stuff (getting Dispel Barrier being the least of it!)– you can go to the Tower of the Magi (and get the really important items there), get two-thirds of the Demonslayer, and get four of the five brooches (OK, so maybe only 3– it's sort of cheating just to hit "buy" when you talk to that one guy and get the brooch when you don't even know that he has it, or why…). Bigger incentive to register, I suppose. =D -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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