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What graphics you want? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #13
Yeah. Realistic looking humanoid graphics are hard to do. You have no idea how much trouble it took me to get one of the pictures of a humanoid I've been working on to look like it's sitting with its legs crossed. The modern item graphics look really good (though I may have said that already on the graphics archive page), and I may use them in a scenario I'm planning.

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Too big for his proccessor in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #4
Yep. Beautiful, ain't it? [wipes a tear from his eye]. I've already started planning various globe-spanning epics. Actually, one globe spanning epic and several smaller scenarios, including the aforementioned Nightmare of the Sword Ghost Demon Banshee.

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Will the resistance's be right? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #15
Alorael, are you comparing mind crystals to Skribbane herb? That actually gives me a good idea for a BoA scenario I've been considering (called Nightmare of the Sword Ghost Demon Banshee). I was thinking of making it a bad trip on a hallucinogenic skribbane derivative, but a suped up energy pulse crystal sounds even better!

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BoA and Music in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #7
It's a nice idea, Aruneko, but I doubt it'll happen. A more successful strategy might be to recommend various pieces of music, and then give links to sites where you can download midis/MP3s of them.

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BoA -- Custom Graphics in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #5
I actually think the doomguard is alot better. It makes a good alternate doomguard. The dryad is okay, but I prefer the Doomguard. Anyway, the more graphics, the merrier.

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What graphics you want? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #5
I made a samurai-ish PC graphic. He commits seppuku in the death animation (well-sort of: It's hard to animate disembowelment in graphics this small). I was going to give him a naginata for a pole weapon, but the ninja already had one, so I just used a daikatana instead. Overall it's not that great, not as good as that samurai BoE graphic that seems to be pretty much omnipresent on the Lyceum review site.

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What graphics you want? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #2
Yeah. Custom PC graphics would be good, there aren't many of those yet. More humanoids in general, there's alot of untapped potential there (I'd say a good 50% or so of BoE graphics were human or humanoid).

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more than 4 characters ! in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #21
Yeah, what Drake said. Also, while you can create custom PC graphics, you could do that in BoE too, and unless I'm mistaken, it will only be possible to insert the PC graphics into the game files themselves, not a custom graphics sheet. And it's pretty unreasonable to ask players, some of whom aren't scenario designers and don't feel like working with the avernum .meg or .bmp files to mess around with their graphics just to play the scenario. I'd suggest reading the 'long thread' from Jeff that we (or at least I) keep mentioning in this discussion, as it regards custom races (with humorous analogies involving jelly bean men and vulcans available!).

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more than 4 characters ! in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #16
Yeah. Jeff Vogel himself said no recruitable NPCs. There are supposed to be NPCs that actually follow you around this time, instead of just hanging around and occasionally blasting you with firestorm (which thankfully is not in Avernum). Or so Jeff says on the aforementioned 'long thread'.

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more than 4 characters ! in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #7
Really. Don't think I ever saw that in a scenario, or read about it. Define 'gaining experience, levels and equipment'. Are we talking 'level up not unlike player characters, and can actually equip items' or are we talking 'make more custom monsters with boosted stats to simulate leveled up NPCs, and include them in different areas, or possibly check for a certain flag to decide level'. If it's the former, how in god's name do you do it? If we're talking about something more artificial, though, then that wasn't what I was talking about.

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General BoA Thoughts in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #9
But drakefyre, Avernum graphics are about twice the width and five times the height of Exile graphics! It doesn't make any sense! I hope Teh Ratcht is right.

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more than 4 characters ! in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #4
I know, it does 'ultrasuck'. But, that's what Jeff said would be the case, so we have to abide by it. I guess we'll just have to find [crappy] workarounds that don't let the NPCs level up or gain skills. Oh well, at least Jeff says these one won't shoot your party with fireballs.

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General BoA Thoughts in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #6
I know what BoA graphics look like (check TM's site-I made some of the monsters there, though he got my name backwards), I just wonder how they'll be organized. From what you said, it sounds like they'll all be in the same resource # in resedit. I hope not, as it would be a nightmare to try to get any significant amount of pics on there. Or were you saying they would all be in the same file, but would be seperate, like they currently are in the Avernum trilogy?

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General BoA Thoughts in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #4
I'd disagree about custom graphics. It was much too easy to move a graphic a pixel or two over and end up having one picture intrude on another. Not to say you couldn't use custom graphics sheets, just that placing them correctly was a rather painstaking process. I hope BoA has a custom graphics system more akin to the Avernum trilogy, i.e. single monsters and blocks of several terrains in each resource (for resedit, that is, I'm not sure how the .bmp files would work).

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A note about custom graphics in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #9
Problem is, Slithzerikai rogue, that's what I did. Who knows, maybe I screwed something up somewhere. I guess I'll try again, one of these days. Until then, thanks for your help.

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Family Entertainment / Distribution in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #5
Check out the section on R rated scenarios in Blades of Exile articles and examples. It's a good discussion on this subject.

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POLL: Your expectations for Blades of Avernum in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #2
Yeah, if the script editor is half as powerful as Jeff keeps saying it will be, it'll be a monumental improvement over Blades of Exile.

[ Monday, October 14, 2002 14:02: Message edited by: modnaR ]

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A note about custom graphics in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #5
Hmmm. Still isn't working. I still get the corrupted graphics error, and this time I was trying it with A1. I wonder what I could be doing wrong.

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A note about custom graphics in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #3
Bitmap? I don't use bitmaps, do I? I use resedit on macintosh, normally. And that's what I did, aside from copying and altering the Character graphics file with resedit. I think I'm going to try again. Maybe I just screwed up the resource numbers or somesuch. I'll report back later.

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Graphics Tool in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #14
Yeah yeah, it is old. I'm switching to Appleworks once I start using my new iBook, which I will do as soon as I hook it up to the internet (one of these days), and I also plan to try photoshop elements and GIMP. Excuses excuses.

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A note about custom graphics in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #1
Speaking of which, how do you safely place a custom graphic for testing in one of the avernum graphics files? I tried testing some of mine in A3 yesterday and it told me I had a corrupted graphics file, displayed random graphics similar to the results of using non-existent custom graphics in Blades, and displayed many, many errors in the text line.

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Graphics Tool in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #12
What's so bad about Claris? It's not got alot of bells and whistles, true, but it's not BAD. It's a decent program, and I still prefer it to MS paint.

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Graphics Tool in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #7
Yeah. Photoshop's nice, but it's pretty expensive.

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Graphics Tool in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 1863
Profile #4
MS Paint crashes? I use clarisworks. It has a decent paint program, with all the basic features, though it doesn't have any particularly advanced features. I make all my graphics using this.

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Modship in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 1863
Profile #27
Well, if we're talking about togar the graphic here, it's bad but still better than salamander's skull. It's a SKULL, and it doesn't even rotate.
And Motrax, I resent the statement that TM is the only one active in BoA right now. Several people have contributed graphics to TM's archive, and others are apparently planning scenarios. I myself am part of both groups, and though I have no desire for modship, I'm still annoyed that you're disparaging our work.

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