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Believe it or not, this is a forum, not a fan club.

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The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure!
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Off With Their Heads
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Somewhat flawed, sure. But what game developer isn't somewhat flawed? I think his games are great, but they're a long way from perfect.

Others have done much worse, though.

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Triad Mage
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They're the best RPGs of their kind, that's for sure.

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Agent
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quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

They're the best RPGs of their kind, that's for sure.
They're nearly the ONLY RPGs of the kind...

I'm not de-valuing them in any way though. They're a great way to spend a few hours when bored, and a lot cheaper than AoM, which I also have.

- Archmagus Micael

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Warrior
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Sadly, pen-and-paper style crpgs are a dying breed. People want Final Fantasy and hackenslashers, I guess. Temple of Elemental Evil, LoM(not really new in any sense...), Neverwinter Nights, and er....nothing else recent I can think of besides Jeff's games at the moment.

Even if Jeff's games AREN'T the best of their kind, cheapness sure counts for something.
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Triad Mage
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Inexpensive. Not cheap. :P

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Law Bringer
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Neverwinter Nights is much closer to pen-and-paper (it's based on it quite faithfully) than Spiderweb's games. The type of game you want is "retro," which is a nice way of saying games stuck somewhere in the nostalgic mists of yesteryear.

—Alorael, who thinks that's all the explanation is needed. Of course most games are like recent games and not older games. Otherwise the style wouldn't be older and remarkable for it!
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Warrior
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Hmmm simpler times: Ultima...Wizardry...Zork...

Stupidest Idea Ever: Putting the more important details of your post in your signature which many people miss under the name Aloreal.

[ Saturday, July 09, 2005 11:14: Message edited by: Verelor ]
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Law Bringer
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Alorael, please.

—Alorael, who doesn't see how it's any different from putting the most important information in the last paragraph. You shouldn't discriminate against paragraphs because they have an unusual format!
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Warrior
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Maybe I should ask a mod to pull the plug on this topic. The posts and replies are becoming more off-subject and random by the day.
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Off With Their Heads
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Or perhaps you should just stop posting in it and let it die, if you want it gone.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Warrior
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Well, not if I can help it, right?

Concerning the new topic about a Morrowind to Avernum mod, in my not so humble opinion, it would be absolutely great if Avernum 4 is like Morrowind (though if that will ever happen, it'd be avernum 9, 10, 11, or perhaps 667)
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Shock Trooper
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Honestly I felt the series was best left finished after BoA myself and that Spidweb should try a new story in a new place, something different.

But we will see how this turns out I guess.

I semi-agree with some different item graphics, just something to let us see the difference between a stone shortsword and a steel great sword, better still something that shows differences in materials (stone, bronze, iron) though grouping them all together as mentioned above would surfice.

Thats all from me.

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Shock Trooper
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Definately a new class of magic and stat for it. Example: Bloodmagic, takes hp to cast, most spells are targeted to the casting character only, points in Bloomagic stat increase max hp. Stuff like that.

I also think multiple starting points would be an excellent idea.

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Infiltrator
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quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

Sadly, pen-and-paper style crpgs are a dying breed. People want Final Fantasy and hackenslashers, I guess. Temple of Elemental Evil, LoM(not really new in any sense...), Neverwinter Nights, and er....nothing else recent I can think of besides Jeff's games at the moment.

Even if Jeff's games AREN'T the best of their kind, cheapness sure counts for something.

Liez. Everquest, World of Warcraft, Morrowind, Guild Wars, new Morrowind, are all absed on pen-and-paper statisticts, and are going great (i.e making allot of money).

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Shaper
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Maybe Avernum 4 could be a prequel.

"Before the dark times--before the Empire..." (Obi-Wan Kenobi Star Wars: Episode IV, for those who didn't know)

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Lt. Sullust
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Polaris
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Warrior
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To everybody who wants Jeff to go 3D (like that look like morrowind comment) I say go to hell as I dont want to spend a week downloading one of Jeffs games on my pityful Dialup connection plx
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Apprentice
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quote:
Originally written by Timber-Wolf:

To everybody who wants Jeff to go 3D (like that look like morrowind comment) I say go to hell as I dont want to spend a week downloading one of Jeffs games on my pityful Dialup connection plx
Also, not a lot of people were happy with Geneforge 3's graphics (I am one of them). If we stay simple, that should save some annoyances and a lot of complaints about blown-up boat graphics and otherwise. :o Also, it's that the graphics are sort of a trademark of Avernum, just as the 2D flat animations were trademark of Exile, and 3D graphics are trademark of Geneforge. We're all used to these graphics for these games. Changing the graphics to make them more like Geneforge, and you've torn away a piece of Avernum itself.
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That's how I feel about the real-time vs. turn-based thing.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Shock Trooper
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The stealth spell would make a nice return, I liked going at it commando style back in Exile.

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Fine Meal is people!!!
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Shaper
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Oh, so you never put pants on your characters?

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Lt. Sullust
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Polaris
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Warrior
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Geneforge is NOT 3-D in any sense of the word. It's isometric 2-d, best to be thought of as fully animated Avernum graphics. And we wouldn't have badly upsized boat graphics and item pics we've seen since Exile 1 if Spiderweb's art team was worth a damn.

I'll be off to the Richard White Games boards, to persue more casual conversation. I'll try to add a couple suggestions to the list later.
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Shock Trooper
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I thought the RW board was used to spread spam as I really don't see anything serious going on on those boards.

Anyways, Avernum 4 would more than likely look quite similar, if not exactly the same, as the previous 4 Avernum games. (1,2,3, BoA)

The only noticable difference that might be made would be a continuing storyline and with all of the stuff from the previous games back.

It's just my guess, but I think Mr. Vogel would just stick to what works, even if people think that major changes are needed.

I think that they should just make a whole new series of games instead, something fresh and innovative.

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Law Bringer
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Spiderweb has no art team. It has a budget and a pool of freelancers.

If Jeff stuck with what worked, he would never have made Geneforge. Since A4 won't have the same engine, there's no reason for it to have the same graphics.

—Alorael, who feels a strong and disquieting sense of deja vu.

—Alorael, who feels like he's posting things that he and others have posted before.
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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

Oh, so you never put pants on your characters?
No, commando is when you don't wear any underwear, pants themselves are fine.

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Fine Meal is people!!!
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