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Trakovites in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #20
This is iffy but in G1 there is an area of "old rogues" which we assume that they are the decendents and not 200+ year old ones. They are all vlish. So that leads to the question of how do vlish reproduce?

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
How exactly does Trajkov stay sane? in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #1
Well the lame and often used explanation is just that some people are more effected mentally than others by canisters and the geneforge.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
War in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #7
Definately the Shapers, the Drakons use the same methods and are more extreme than the shapers. And, if I am allowed to bring G4 into the picture, you see how little they care for human life.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
trenches and bunkers? in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #18
Maybe he ment thahd shades? Though they were no longer an option in G4.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #112
Sorta sounds like what Monarch did, if you do gain enough power they will truce in the area until you are dead.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
trenches and bunkers? in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #13
I don't think those were Shaper/Shaper wars. It was the first of the Shapers vs. other races/people. Shapers randomly changed the people they fought against.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #109
But how do you get those who make puresteel on your side? Most of them are loyal Shapers and don't have much of an insentive to switch to your side and even if they did, they can't just walk off with a whole factory to help you. I think the problem with your ambitions is that you assume you are already in a position of power with followers and resources when you start. You'd be squished even before you started.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #85
ET, your "worthy canidates" would be harder to control than anyone because they would be more arrogant and less trustworthy. Also, the Barzite/Shoali ending is before the Shapers are truly aware of the threat of canisters. They have seen your tricks and met them.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Monarch Revisted in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #6
No, because he would have immediately been seen as a freak and the Shapers would have tracked him down because aditional resources would have required reveiling himself. Also, he wwould have been to proud to do as what would be seen as fleeing. You are his additional resources.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Monarch Revisted in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #2
Ah, but you forget that the previous games after G1 were very vague. It says something like, "That Shaper escaped and told the Council of what was happening." They never mentioned what happened to the other Shaper.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #76
As you said before, do not underestimate the alliances that can be formed by common hate or neccesity. Even if you are the superior "shaper", you are still flesh and your underlings will band together an kill you eventually. You will live in fear or die because you don't have fear. You will be hunted and killed just like Monarch because there will always be ones as you seeking power and ones like my ideals who would resist canisters unless absolute neccesity. Both your own type and my own will hunt you. Death is enement for you for you are hunted and will always be hunted.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Monarch Revisted in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #0
Please excuse me if someone did suggest this, but did anyone surmise that Shaper Monarch was Goettsch from G1? I mean, he did have an "empire" and his strange apperance even to regular canister users could be a result of a slight change in canisters since 200+ years ago (or maybe the age of the canisters meant something). Monarch says that he forgot about his past on purpose, Goettsch had a lot he probably would have liked to forget.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #72
ET, while I agree you should not underestimate people in the need of using allies, you also should not underestimate those people's egos and their capacity for great pettiness that will destroy such alliances. And while sanity is an illusion, their is a such thing as just too unstable.

-"Show me a sane man and I will fix him."

PS: I think that your ideas would just lead to multiple Shaper (maybe put that in quotations?) Monarchs. You'll understand if you play G4.

[ Saturday, December 30, 2006 21:35: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #56
We are talking if canisters were real right? So that means no load previous game, so unless you were with the maker, you wouldn't know if the one you were using was one of the "best" canisters.
If I were a shaper aprentice with access to trainers I would not use canisters and use my enemies madness and ego against them. In the end, I think the strongest people in the Geneforge world are probably the older shapers without modification. They have the capasity to think rationally and stay alive longer with less danger so they may progress and plan. I have have great disdain for the rebels. As long as I live the Shapers shall recieve my loyalty with the hope that I may one day be high enough up to make some moderate changes.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #41
But Barzahl didn't have time to properly train/recruit people. He was racing against the clock against all the other factions. I bet if he was alone in the mountains he would have been very selective.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
If canisters were real... in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #26
The Southforge Geneforge was a bit of a disappointment to me. After all the rebels did to get one, that was all that it could do? I got the feeling that the original geneforge basically made you a god, sure it only gave you those +10 bonuses immediately, but I got the feeling that the full effects don't happen until you reach the mainland and create your empire.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
A Developer Question in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #6
I played on torment as a jack-of-all-trades servile who had decent creations and magic and only supplemented with his own somewhat weak attacks. He had an easy time, but that is because he went around and cleared the tunnels behind Monarch before he attacked. I think that if you have decent mechanics and support, this is an easy fight even on torment. What was annoying was getting to the place and the weird spawner remenicent of the one from G3.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
do you know the origins of the shapers in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #1
There are hints on this in G1.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
House Unshaperlike Activities Committee in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #39
Well, an argument is that they may prohibit shaping themselves from their original form, but healing is just shaping to what you were...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
House Unshaperlike Activities Committee in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #31
Oh no! You mean I can't summon my alien beasts to rip apart the rebels? :P

[ Friday, December 15, 2006 15:15: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
House Unshaperlike Activities Committee in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #15
Nioca is right, something would be left over. Look at the teachings of Sucia Island except having thousands upon thousands of those type of nooks and cranies.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Serviles and Canisters...??? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #3
Like servile sex changes.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
House Unshaperlike Activities Committee in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #10
Actually, in G4 there is no essence used when casting icebolt (yay). I think that healing would be considered shaping since you are "shaping" the person back to health. I don't think that banning shaping would be a good idea because of the horrible reprocussions. Though I think the Shapers do seem harsh and sometimes unprogressive, their regulations are the lesser of the evils.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
help is appreciated in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #3
Thanks for reminding me.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
help is appreciated in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #0
I forget where you get the skein of wisdom... Can anyone remind me where it is.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00

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