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Which Geneforge Game is best? in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #7
G1: all about the atmosphere, story, and potential.

I'm biased agaist G4 because you don't have the satisfaction of being a Shaper to begin with, so much cooler to be in character as one of them even if you play through a betrayal.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
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Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #165
It was a joke and reference to another game, if you couldn't tell by the last line...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #161
You are missing the point. You can point out a few cases in which humans are as gready as the average Drakon. And I don't buy that load of bull that Drakons are only reshaping themselves only because they need to fight the Shapers, and I doubt that most will dispute that too. Canisters make humans have the attitude of Drakons (which I may point out is extremely alarming to the human population) and they would definatly not stop if the war was over, so neither would Drakons reshaping themselves in order to gain power.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #159
LT do you have any proof for your whole thing of Drakons are as diverse as humans in being greedy and power-hungry and all that? Because I don't see enough to give any redemption to Drakons.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #155
Well for one thing, the least amount of innocents (or at least people not in the war) are killed.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #153
I don't wan to take up a whole page with quotes so I'm going to condence this

Dikiyoba- So you like the ending in which the maximum amount of death and destruction is dealt?

Everyone- Where are people getting the idea that most Shaper research is about war, what I have seen in contrary to that (at least in most recent "peacetime".

Rebel sympathizers- I understand that there is diversity in Drakon thought, but seriously, who is going to argue that they are mostly, with very, very few exceptions, greedy and powerhungary with little regard to any consequenses other than to themselves (even that doesn't always stop them!). There is a big difference between "steriotyping" a Drakon and steriotyping a human. Also, LT, serviles were hardwired to not be able to do magic, and it has worked other than serviles flailing themselves to madness or altering their genes (also leads to madness) so I don't see your poin.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #143
Just read everything in the storyline from G3 to G4 and it mentions razing towns down to the ground.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #132
Choice is all relative, will you tell the obsessive compullsive that he chooses to wash his hands so many times despite the fact that he knows that even if he doesn't wash his hands that often he suffers no true danger?

But to go on subject, you agreed with LT on the drayk subject, but failed to take into account my arguement of actuall immediate danger that is presented.

PS By taking that condecending tone you basically should put yourself into the category of talking of things unrelated to the Geneforge world, like a 5 year old talking down to 4 year olds.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #130
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Originally written by Lepus timidus:

It seems that some members on these boards can dish it out, but can't take it.

Sounds like someone who's post I just read...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #129
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SlaughteringSevile, thanks for reformatting that post. I didn't have the patience to respond to a post which was illegible. I also don't have the patience for petty posturing or addressing arguments which have been repeated ad nauseum.
Some of us just don't like to have to put forth an effort in something that is supposed to be based off of arguments not having to dissect something like a frog on a lab table, but for your benefitt I will be neat and tidy.

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Ghaldring does rule by being the strongest.

I never denied that Ghaldring's strength does not play a role in his rule. What I did contest was Retlew's claim that Ghaldring's rule did not involve taking into consideration the thoughts of his Drakon comrades. In case everyone has forgotten: "Ghaldring rules by being the strongest, not by asking others what they think," Yet clearly Ghaldring retains his rule in part due to his taking into consideration the thoughts and opinions of the other Drakons. He didn't obtain popular support amongst the Drakons by bullying them . Quite the contrary, he garners their respect via diplomacy.
He rules by power and taking into consideration that he could be overthrown if most other drakons are too unhappy, but he doesn't ask what they think.

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The types of danger you refer to are different than that which the Drakons pose. Ascending to political and economic power is completely different than being on the verge of waging racial war.

The Drakons aren't on the verge of waging a racial war.

The reason that Drayks and Drakons are targeted for extermination is because they are too independent, and hence believed to represent a potential threat. Such a mentality is identical to that used to exterminate the Kurds, Armenians and Jews.
Not only too independent, but because they present an actual danger. There is a difference between a Kurd and a drakon.

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And, to be honest, you refer to stereotypes.

I refer to stereotypes in my analogy because the Shaper mentality employs stereotypes to justify their genocide. The Drayks are a potential threat because they are too powerful and independent. The Jews are a potential threat because they are too educated and industrious. I could push the analogy even further, and claim that since humans in the Geneforge universe are capable of learning how to shape vicious monsters and hurl essence lances, they are too dangerous for the drayks, serviles and drakons to let live.

Why is it fine and dandy for humans to target the drayks and Drakons for extermination because they are a 'potential threat', but not for the serviles, drayks or Drakons to target the human race for extermination? Because humans are, well, humanoid?
Well for one thing, drakons are born with the ability to throw fireballs and shape at will, while humans must study for years before gaining anything ressembling power. Also, you are going on again with the stupid real-life analogies that don't really work, you're just trying to prey on people's emotional responses to past events (you're just like Bush and Giulliani always touting 9/11 to things that don't even relate) so that they won't actually think things through. Big difference between Jews and drakons.

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No, intelligent beings that were previously enslaved would want revenge, at least on the Shapers.

False. Revenge definitely is on the agenda for some Rebels, although survival and freedom clearly take a higher priority. And many drayks, and even some Drakons, have expressed that they would be willing to live in peace if the Shapers left them alone. For example:

Dryss from the Taker Toll road in GF2:

"That is too bad. Creations should not have to fight to be free. But if they must ...""Yesss. I suppose I would not kill and eat the Shapersss if I could avoid it. I would rather have happy, quiet life, being wealthy and eating meat. But that isss not the life I was created into.";

Issss-Ta, from Zhass-Usss in GF2:

"You don't want the Shapers to be destroyed?" "I do not want it to be necessary. But remember, it was your kind who created us, and then you decided that we should no longer exist. We have to defend ourselves."
[b] Be rich. [/b] And where will that wealth be gathered from? Do you think that if the proportion of Drakons and drayks were in the economic positions humans were in they would just say "Oh, well that I'll just work harder at an honest job and hope that I am all right"?

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The Drakons were hardly "crushed" in conventional warfare. They barely even fought.

First, I'd like to address the comment that the Drakons 'barely even fought' the Shapers in convential warfare

Quoted from the Rebel ending (which is considered canon) in Geneforge 3:

"From all over Terrestia, we have grim reports. The drakons... the rogues... they are everywhere... We are being slaughtered."

"The Ashen Isles and Poryphra are your base of operations. You fight many battles. You are always victorious. Sometimes your forces fight alone, sometimes they are aided by Ur-Drakons..."

I fail to see how the drakons can be 'everywhere', slaughtering Shapers and assisting human/servile rebel forces, without barely even fighting.

As to the issue of the Drakons taking great losses:

Barstow:
"Tell me about the drakons." "The rebellion has two parts, the humans and the creations. The drakons are the leaders of the creations. Gigantic, majestic, powerful reptile creatures. I've only seen one once, but I will never forget it." "They used to fight often in the war, as I understand it. In the north, I mean. But they took great losses, and now they keep to themselves."

Also note what Alwan has to say about the matter:
"How goes the war?" "That is a very good question. We Shapers are advancing on all fronts. Control of the land, the air, the sea. The rebels have been routed into these northern lands, and our infiltrators harry them at every turn."

And let us not forget the introduction to Geneforge 4:

"And so the rebellion began. It was an alliance of humans tired of Shaper rule, and of intelligent creations who wanted to be free. They rose up, stole some of their master's power, and attacked. At first, the Shapers were caught by surprise. Much of Eastern half of Terrestia was lost... But then the Shapers regrouped, and their armies came. The rebels have been pushed back. Their lands have been burned. Lost refugees, both human and creation, wander the rubble."

Of course, you could continue to argue that the Drakons 'didn't bother' to fight conventional warfare. All this would mean is that when Jeff uses the term 'rebels', he means only the servile/human half of the Rebellion. And the term 'intelligent creations' doesn't refer to Drakons. It would also mean that the serviles and humans managed to conquer the Eastern half of Terrestia without Drakon assistance. And that Barstow is lying. But to be honest, I don't find the above assumptions very tenable.
Yeah, and the humans didn't take significant losses? They take losses and stay in warfare. You can hardly argue that all those drakons way behind enemy lines must be so for the research. Also, quoting from the end of other games is stupid to do since the ending that leads to the beginning of the other games is never an actuall ending all the way in the previous game.

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The Drakons have more or less abandoned the human Rebellion the humans have to fend for themselves, and with quite a bit less resources than the Drakons, and seem to be doing quite well surviving.

Um, what? The humans have lost the Forsaken Lands, the Southern Geneforge, and Illya Province. A strong Shaper force retook Poryphra and the lands surrounding Derenton Freehold. The human/servile alliance's "Plan B" involves hoping that the Drakons will complete their grand project, and save the Rebellion's ass.
Yeah, well "Plan B" relies on the humans/serviles to die and fight long enough to even allow the Drakons to "save their asses" (which most will be dead by then).

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But why are the Serviles of lower rank? Because they have less inborn fighting ability? They are more mentally stable? They are less violently radical? They are less bloodthirsty? Why?

Because:

1. Ghaldring, a Drakon, is universally acknowledged as the leader of the Rebellion. Even high ranking human rebels, such as Lilita and Greta, defer to him. Hence his edicts are given highest priority. This means that when Ghaldring orders one of his Drakon subordinates to manage a village in the name of the Rebellion, the inhabitants of that village must also obey Ghaldring's subordinates

2. Non-Drakons are of lower rank in regards to the organisation of resistance because Drakons are the most effective soldiers. Once again, this is universally acknowledged by the servile/human resistance.
Since when is being the most efficient soldier make you of a higher rank? Rank is meant to be of minds that are able to perform tactics and the such not be the strongest. The reason why Drakons are of higher rank is because they are too messed up in the mind to stand being ordered by anything that isn't one of them.

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Not entirely, no, Shaper survival did not depend on their ability to Shape. It certainly didn't hurt, but beyond the first tumultuous war for supremacy, Shaping was not necessary.

So why do you fail to condemn the Shapers for engaging in cruel Shaping experiments, while moaning and whining about Drakons doing the same thing? Especially given that the Drakons shape out of necessity, whereas the Shapers do not.
You didn't understand him at all... How can you say Drakon's shape out of neccessity, but not Shapers? Shapers did have reason to shape as much as Drakons.

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Knowledge does not come without a price. If the Nazis had not engaged in such violent research, how many would have died due to lack of knowledge?

How many people would not have died or suffered if the Nazis hadn't engaged in cruel and unnecessary experiments, such as burning prisoners with phosphorus bombs so that doctors could examine the wounds?
Well the rule of debating is not to ever side with the Nazis on anything, and those expiraments shouldn't have happened, but you are also being short-sighted and not realizing what certain disgusting research has brought about advancements that you wouldn't give up.

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The only reason that Shaping has not brought about untold benefits is that the research is insanely, horrifically, complicated. More or less like shooting radiation at chicken embryos to try and make them into cows. And most of this research is directed at warfare.
At last you're starting to grasp my point, after we've been going around in circles for God knows how long. As we both agree, the vast majority of Shaper research is directed at warfare. But why? Why is research into a better thahd or glaak necessary during an era of peace? How does such research contribute to the betterment of society?
Such research is unnecessary, horridly cruel and wasteful (the resources expended on this frivolous Shaping could be spent on grain to feed villages suffering famine). Merely because the Shapers occassionally perform useful research does not excuse the vast majority of their other research, which is cruel and unnecessary.
You have no idea what you are talking about. You have nothing to base your assumptions of most shaping research is for warfare. All you have seen is Sucia Island (a remote research post set aside because it is dangerous), that mountainous area in which the only Shaper-authorized research is on seeds and there is nothing cruel being done, and the Ashen Isles that again don't have any recent examples of the Shaper's cruel expiraments. So in fact, G2 actually presents the only evidence of regular modern Shaper expiraments, none of which is cruel (though I don't mean that there is none that is cruel).

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The desire to gain knowledge, perverse? Never. Never. Your prejudice towards happy ignorance is too blatant here. Nalyd will leave you to it, Eloi, and wait with the other Morlocks.

The desire to gain knowledge purely for knowledge's sake, while inflicting horrendous suffering on sentient beings in the process, is perverse. This isn't just my opinion, it's the unanimous opinion of international and national bodies who helped frame guidelines and laws for ethical scientific research (read the Nuremburg Code, the Helsinki Declaration, or the research ethic guidelines of your nation). In order to fulfil the requirement for ethical conduct of research, researchers must demonstrate that their research isn't frivilous, and it minimizes harm to the participants, whether human or animal.
Again, regular life does not equal Geneforge life, contrary to many of your deluded analogies. Also, Shaper research is not research for research's sake so stop assuming that without any legs to stand on.

Happy? I just lost half an hour of my life to this so you would be able to read it (though now it will probably be a page within itself). Give me some real stuff to chew on next time.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #118
Terrorist attacks happen all the time, we are the general American public just isn't used to them.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #115
Actually it is a short history just in massive amounts of repetition.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #110
I cringe at any post that makes me scroll down to finish it.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #108
Uhg, how much I hate responding to long posts, I don't have the stomach for it like nalyd does. Basically I'm just going to say that I feel you (Lepus) are wrong on all counts (some based on actual script and a lot based on what I feel are safe inferences), maybe you should play the game again. Also, you are constantly attacking the Shapers for certain things and congradulating the Drakons for the same things, which is always annoying. I may find the time to respond to your whole post in small incroments over the next while, but it is a busy week for me so that is it for now.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #100
The BlackRabbit thing does not really indicate corruptness, I suggest that you look the word up in the dictionary as it applies to people before using it again.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #96
GoldenKing, just because a group is powerful, doesn't mean they are corrupt. In fact, if I had to venture a bet, I would bet that most Shapers, though arrogant and ambicious, are far from corrupt. Just because a person holds different ideals doesn't make them corrupt.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #90
Obviously you are new to this debate that springs up every few weeks and the same tired arguments are made on both sides... But your whole thing about Ghaldring not being at the top if the majority of Drakons didn't support his "pro-human" stance, shows that you have either missed lots of dialog in G4 or you have little comprehention of it. If you don't remember, you walk into a power struggle including the new generation who almost exclusively hate humans and wish to sever ties. Ghaldring rules by being the strongest, not by asking others what they think, his stances don't matter all that much if he leads the drakons to victory and they don't feel that they are too subservient to his rule.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Young Geneforgers in Geneforge Series
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #12
I was first introduced to SW games around the time of Blades of Exile I think so I was pretty young when I started playing. Can't quite remember how old I was at the time, but I'm 17 now.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #55
quote:
Originally written by Thoughts in Chaos:

Well, the degree of genocide practiced by Hitler more or less exceeded the degree of destruction practiced by Stalin. And the destruction of the Rebels exceeds the genocide of the Shapers.
Just a historical correction here, not actually comenting one way or another, but the amount of people who died due to Stalin was many times greater than that of Hitler. Fun AP Euro fact from my teacher a couple years ago.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
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Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #21
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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

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Retlaw May:
These are different worlds and different laws apply.
How can you be the one that created this poll and then go and say this? Are you invalidating your own inquiry?

No, because my inquiry is what people's real life political ideologies and if there is any connection to their favored side in this fantasy world. ET, as always you seem to be in your own little world, if you think this is stupid you can always just not click on it when you go on the boards.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #17
It is a fool that is not willing to bend. I will tell you that if there was a way to create deadly viruses with a chug of a canister, then things would be different. These are different worlds and different laws apply.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #12
But they don't live in our world today. That is the problem with most people's reasoning on who they would support, we are talking about *their* world, not our world. There is a big difference there.

[ Sunday, October 28, 2007 20:41: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]
PS What do you think that the Drakons would be doing in our world, handing out flowers?

[ Sunday, October 28, 2007 20:41: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #10
I don't think that siding with the Shapers is inherently opposed to being a Democrat. Think about it in practical terms, would a liberal support Stalin over a regular unitarian government?

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Member # 7143
Profile #6
Awakened are dead, they wouldn't panned out in the long run anyways and those who oppose all shaping don't make a difference until the very, very long run. Like I said, there is a reason for there being only 4 choices and why there are words like "sympathise" and "identify most with".

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Revised political-geneforge sympathies poll in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Shock Trooper
Member # 7143
Profile #2
There is a reason that there are only ultimadums, its not just because I'm lazy.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"When one fights a monster, one must take care not to become a monster oneself."
-Friedich Nietzche

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00

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