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Something I never understood in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Also, a stead type creation could take up valuable essence and concentration to control.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Oh, so the Shapers are more ethical, are they now? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Neverwinter Nights all over again...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Are most of the serviles you meet actually happy under the footclaw of the Rebellion?

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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I would like to know how to draw up quotes since people seem so skepticle about everything I say (though I know I may have been wrong on a few points). This way I can remind myself and produce evidence directly.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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How many people seriously believe that the Drakons actually performed manual labor in the contruction?

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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HAHAHAHA, Waylander you never responded to any of my evidence or even Nalyd the Dead's. You speak of me sticking fingers in my ears and yet you somehow manage to stick fingers in your ears and cover your eyes at the same time. Too bad you can't do it to your mouth also. Waylander, you and ET are the same person if you really look at it, but if you really think about it, I think that you hate ET because you see yourself in him. I think you are probably worse than him in way of single mindedness.

Oh sorry, I forget that [b] your generation [/b] has trouble reading on these newfangled machines. Maybe that is why you fail to respond to so much evidence and site only a few lacking judgements of ET's.

[ Thursday, March 22, 2007 16:45: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #173
I think slightly more moderate than ET, and I guess this is why Waylander ignores posts like mine and Nalyd's... It is inconvienient for him to address us, he keeps with the more extreme version which he finds much easier to disclaim (which he isn't even doing a good job with that). The whole notion of what dictator means in latin and in english should not be an issue, it is a language argument.

And what is with Waylander's claim that if we say the energized things in G2 aren't creative than neither are the Wingbolt, Khyshack, and War Trall aren't creative? I'd like to first say that the things in there weren't all from the Takers, the other sects dumped their mad creations there too. And another thing is that the new creations the Shapers made weren't based off earlier creations like the ones in G2's dumping ground for crazy powerful creations.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #163
Well, it did take a while for you to process it...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #161
Yay another ally in the fight against the evil Drakons!

1. Politicians are the lowest of life forms, most of the people who should lead don't have the stomach to become a bottom feeder. This also only highlights their fights for power.

2. How much of it was actually honor and how much of it was pure embaressment for being made fools of?

3. Like the other guy said, if that is their sense of humor I'd rather not see them laughing even if I was one of them.

4. Again they based all their new stuff off of inovations of Barhzal (they may have made the Rotghroth but I'm not sure) and even the new creations are based off of original Shaper designs. Shapers have also made new and impressive creations in the last couple years.

5. Again, like the other guy said, I believe (though I will say noone can say for certain) that they value them as a display of wealth and power. This is more hording than anything else in my eye.

6. Ummm the Drakons don't really seem that empathetic to the serviles to me. They constantly declare marshal law over their towns and treat serviles like their own creations. Even the fanatic servile rebels constantly mention this to you.

7. Once again, like the other guy said, Drakons wouldn't appose it if it benefitted them without too much reprocussions. Any group of species that would deny them dominance would likely be taken out.

I'm not saying that Drakons are mindless , I'm saying that their minds are quite devishly twisted. They are quite selfish if you follow their history in the games. Their not so much killing machines as they are the factories of killing machines with great firepower.

Also, you constantly refer to the same one or two Drakons who actually seem to have some sanity. But that is like refering to the few sociopathic psychos that are among humans.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #156
No,Waylander, it is more you respond with "but X (which doesn't really supply good evidence) is why! Oh you made a point about Y and Z but I'll just ignore that."

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Profile #148
Waylander, Drakons were flaming everything and using unrestricted shaping long before the Shapers knew of their existance. Is it just me or do hordes of treasure seem to be where Drakons nest?

quote:
Originally written by RetlawMay:
Well, Waylander, again ignored to respond to my post so I will go on without repeating myself since I feel he just can't refute my points.
Waylander, (fyi) I find the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan horrible acts that should never have been done (all relatives of my family who were still in Japan in the time were in Hiroshima and were never found). Same with the firestorm at Dresdon (or whatever the name is), read Slaughterhouse-Five. I also am not a Zionist, I will not judge these people just because of their religion, there have been attrosities on both sides.
I would like to reitterate the point that ET and I share, every frickin building that you see is/was built by serviles almost in slave-like fashion . Where is the Drakons' empathy there? Remember the town that the serviles built that the Drakons decended on and stole? You should not even attempt to paint the Drakons as anything close to empathetic because it is counter to their nature; even they would scoff at such a motion, that would make them weak, soft, almost human .


I guess that none of this matters to you even though it had to do with much of the basis of your arguement at the time.

ET: maybe we should start a tally of the amount of times Waylander expresses that there is no support for such things when he has expresses no reason for what he said. Maybe we'll finally pop his bubble just as I'd pop a cane toad.

P.S. When you are attacked they aren't thinking of ethics, they are thinking of their personal image and their vanity to seem infalibility. This is just an educated guess, but I doubt anything would really have happened if you had been killed.

P.P.S. Good news Waylander there is another thing that drives Drakons besides greed: vanity.

[ Tuesday, March 20, 2007 19:20: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Oh, so the Shapers are more ethical, are they now? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Waylander:

Retlew:
quote:

From what I have gathered in the last three games Drakons are all shaped/grown into existance and emerge physically adult. I don't know if it is even possible for them to reproduce biologically.

Lilita mentions that Drakons are no longer shaped, as they find it offensive to their species. Drayks and Drakons now reproduce naturally.

I'll have to check this out but I think she only refered to drayks in that comment.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

quote:
Originally written by Retlaw May:

Stillness, you are making presumptions that have no real basis in the game.
What are you talking about?[/QB]
quote:
Originally written by Stillness:
They have a sense of humor. They appreciate art. They are not animalistic, but have a complex culture and political structure. When you are attacked in their home, even though you are a human, they are very upset because you are their guest and their code of ethics does not allow for harm to come to a guest. They (except of course the criminal responsible) are genuinely sorry and show it by compensating you with money and information. They are not all bad, just like the humans in the game.

I call these claims unjustified.

Waylander for some reason you love to bring up analogies considering the people of the Jewish faith. There is a slight problem with your analogy though. Jewish people aren't huge fire breathing monsters that harbor unsatable greed and a need for control of everything. Not only this, but Jewish people also don't have the ability to shape which they use very freely without much thought of concequence. I wonder if you'll actually answer this or ignore it like you have most of my posts.

[ Tuesday, March 20, 2007 18:08: Message edited by: Retlaw May ]

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Oh, so the Shapers are more ethical, are they now? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Drakons are "born" as "adults". From what I have gathered in the last three games Drakons are all shaped/grown into existance and emerge physically adult. I don't know if it is even possible for them to reproduce biologically.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Stillness, you are making presumptions that have no real basis in the game. I make my judgements off of the plot that I play.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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ET, and I are the ones who don't listen to reason or concede anything? I don't really like to be grouped with ET because he is too extreme, but Waylander is just as extreme only on the other side. Waylander has conceded nothing and even ignored my first two responses (pg 3 and 4). And back on the Eyebeast matter, those at the Radiant college designed the Eyebeast . Do you think they just said "Oh, maybe if you just change this gene and this gene..." No, all was the advances were random changes to see what worked. The Takers improved the design and made most of the ones your character talks to .

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Oh, so the Shapers are more ethical, are they now? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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What do you think would happen to a child that stood in front of the mighty Ghaldring demanding answers to why his family was killed?

*Squash*

Drakons want to become the Shapers, but with even more power and less ethics.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Hahahaha! Stillness have you even played the last 3 Geneforge games? If you even played to a point where you meet the first Drakon you would know that they are much worse horders than drayks. Also, Drakons don't show compassion. Politics is just an ends to achieve what they want driven by their greed.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Wingbolts are over-rated in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Don't forget that wingbolts start out at a higher level and I believe that they would act first.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Wingbolts are over-rated in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Waylander, my freshly made 3 wingbolts would kill your 6 freshly made drayks.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
National anthem for the rebels in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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As you write these things all I can think of is the Communist state of the USSR...

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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I kinda feel invisable here, but the point is that the people of the Radiant College were the first to create Gazers and that the Takers later refined the process.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Well, Waylander, again ignored to respond to my post so I will go on without repeating myself since I feel he just can't refute my points.

Waylander, (fyi) I find the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan horrible acts that should never have been done (all relatives of my family who were still in Japan in the time were in Hiroshima and were never found). Same with the firestorm at Dresdon (or whatever the name is), read Slaughterhouse-Five. I also am not a Zionist, I will not judge these people just because of their religion, there have been attrosities on both sides.

I would like to reitterate the point that ET and I share, every frickin building that you see is/was built by serviles almost in slave-like fashion . Where is the Drakons' empathy there? Remember the town that the serviles built that the Drakons decended on and stole? You should not even attempt to paint the Drakons as anything close to empathetic because it is counter to their nature; even they would scoff at such a motion, that would make them weak, soft, almost human .

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Ahhh, Waylander you did not adress any of my points! (I'm the last post on page 3). Or maybe you just fear the blinding light of truth in your bubble.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00
Are Drakons superior beings? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Ok, I've been out for a while so there was a lot to read so excuse me if there is something here that has been mentioned before or something of the like.

God help me, but I'm going to have to go with ET on this. Waylander, I sometimes wonder if you have even ever played through a game as a loyalist, let alone a non-canister loyalist. I seem to remember you arguing that serviles aren't inferior just because Shapers made them to be inferior; so how can you argue the opposite with the Drakons? Even putting that asside, have you noticed what the Drakons are even doing? Their "advances" are just willingness to let loose uncontroled creations over the countryside, killing anything that gets in the way (see Monarch).
You talk of Drakons as poor underdogs, but (in the experience in the games which is all you can truly base anything off of) I see MANY more Drakons that Shapers. I mean really, have you ever seen a patrol of a dozen Shaper? You or someone else also sited one or two Drakons who didn't seem completely insane or having some introspection, but this just doesn't do... I see a couple humans that are fricken insane, but I don't base the race off of them; I base it off the majority.
I imagine Drakons basically as time bombs or Kamakazis: yeah you can take out several people, but you get blown up in the process. I think I have more to add but I know that people skim extremely long posts and I'll wait for you to attempt to flame me.

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"After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one."
- Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)

"The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process."
-Kripke

"One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly."
-Friedich Nietzche
Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00

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