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Surprised? I still use it for the graphics for BoA and a lot of other things I have to draw. i simply find it one of the best programs out of there, and it is free. That's always important. I wouldn't be surprised if it runs on OS X. I do find it a pity Apple stopped updating it.

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TM, I was wondering if you pay for the removal of the ads on your website? Or so you have some sinister deal with the geocities chief?

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Wow. I've somtimes heard pop songs by strings, and it always sounded very... unusual.

Some more songs came to my mind:

Flight of the bumblebee (played by trombone) - Chrisitan Lindberg (the trombone player)
Lohengrin, introduction 3 akte - Wagner
Bernstein Mass - Bernstein (really weird)
Verdi requiem, dies irae - verdi
Jazz suite No2 - Shostakovich
The bolt, suite from the ballet - Shostakovich
Symphony 2, movement 2 - Rachmaninov.
The piper - Abba
Super trouper - Abba

there are many more music pieces which I love, start crying when heard, or simply fall silent, but tht list would be too long.

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The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
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I'm convinced humans will be able to speak the Nephil language. I actually intended that people, when playing my scenario, would be able to translate the texts, and understand the grammar. Pronunciation also shouldn't be a real problem, I think.

It is a problem that so little is known about the two languages, and we can only guess, using the names of the characters. however, this can only give an indication of sounds the Nephilim/Sliths seem to make, but it doesn't say anything about how nephilim/Sliths may have written it or pronounced it.

The problem with making a langauge that isn't based on already known languages is, is mainly that it is far to hard. making a new grammar, new conjugations and the like, is an awful lot of work and wouldn't be so appreciated that it is really worthwhile.

the difference between Nephilim and Sliths, and their ability to succesfully pronounce English words, may lie in the fact that Sliths come from far underground, while Nephilim, like humans, come from the surfafe. they could have met, exchanging information, religion, language and the like. However, your question did give me new insights in the "nephilim homeland" (which isn't really homeland). I'm glad you asked it.

Kelandon, I do understand these terms. They aren't that complicated one has to study a month to know them. I'm not copying anything blindly. What use does it have to copy something you don't know what it is?

Slartucker: I'm still wondering why you suddenly stopped helping? Just curious.

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OOC: *Sighs* I had hoped that Lisha and cain wouldn't have moved in the time that I changed my post. Will I have to start changing my post again?

EDIT: Vhanged my IC a bit, so it wouldn't have to many consequenses for Davida's post.

[ Thursday, February 02, 2006 06:23: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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I never wanted you to give a reference to an article, because I've never thought that it matters. I don't really give a damn what Hurrian or Sumerian do, at least with regard to your language. Your language must simply make sense with itself, not necessarily match any other actual language.
Wise words. Wise words indeed.

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I think, as far as the ablative-instrumental, you could just change "Also, The ablative instrumental is used when something or somebody did or does something. This is most often found with passive sentences" into "Also, the ablative instrumental is found in passive sentences."
Sounds good to me.

You only didn't answer my last question. Could you still answer it, please?

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Yes. A bun is most often just white bread with no nutricious value whatsoever. That was also a pun.

I still admire this place for the rapid changement in topics. Startign out with a "hello-I'm-back" topic, we get to discuss the eating of kittens, people being irriatted with the eating-of-kittens joke, and afterwards discussing the bad jokes on the topic.

*applauds*

What did the eagle say to the rabbit?

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I base the language on Hurrian, for the parts that are known (e.g. the construction of a noun, verb, etc).

I'm glad that the terminative is clearer now. I'm also happy that you mentioned the word "terminus." Now I understand why it is called terminative. Thanks.

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I still can't stand this description: "The ablative instrumental is used when something or somebody did or does something." Do you mean that it is used to denote "by means of" something? That is, "He killed him with a sword"? Or do you mean that it denotes the agent in a passive sentence: "He was killed by him"? Or something else?
I mean that it denotes the agent in a passive sentence (by him). I'll change it as soon as I found a ways to describe it in a clearer fashion, although I think that the example I gave (by the noun) makes it already quite clear (at least for me).

Do you still want me to ask Dr. Jeanette C. Fincke about books/articles?

I wanted to ask you (Kelandon) if I may copy the description of placement of tongue, form of lips etc. from your Slith language pronunciation page to the Nephilian pronunciation page? Would you mind?

[ Wednesday, February 01, 2006 07:51: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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maybe. however, whatever happened, there still will be a resemblace. Just look at the apes and humans. their still resemble eachother. I don't have real doubts if this is like with cats.

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quote:
Originally written by Pluropolis:

—Alorael, who is depressed by the confusion of eye and ear candy with capital A Art. If it helps, think of games as films. The question isn't which has the best looking sets (mostly) or best score. The question is which directors did something memorable and ingenious.
Do you say this becasue of what I said? I didn't praise the stunning graphics of AoE 1 (as there aren't any) only the historical value. I think this was something ingenious, don't you agree?

I didn't really like civilization, as it wasn't quite what I looked for. What I like about AoE 1, is the fact that one can play long dead civilizations, like the babylonians and Sumerians.

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I double posted delibarately.

here is the answer I got from the garman expert on hurrian. She also asked somebody who knows even more about it. If you want, I can ask het for books in which it says so. however, only if you ask, as I don't want to waist to much of her time.

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finally, here is my answer to your questions:

1. Usage of genitive.
As far as we understand the Hurrian grammar genitive is only used to express possession and relationship.

2. "a glass of milk"
What a difficult question!

Firstly, the word for milk itself: We do not know whether the Hurrians used singular or plural for liquids. I would guess, milk is plural as it is in Sumerian and Akkadian, but that's not a proof. Just consider the word shije, shie "water" in singuar [the plural form shije=na means "water(courses), rivers"], and tarm=a=(n)ni "source (for water), ground water" derived from the verb tarm- "to give to drink, to water" (not: "to drink"), which is also a word in singular.
Then, did they have an own word for milk or is milk something that e.g. comes "out of the cow". In this case we would have several derivation suffixes just to express milk.

Secondly, what's the construction? In principle, it could be a genitive construction (like e.g. in Italian) but it could also could be something else. We do not have any similar construction so that we just do not know. I also asked Mauro Giorgieri (I consider him the one who understands the Hurrian grammar the best, these days) about this, and he couldn't say.

All I can say is: If it was a genitive construction it would be (but I am sure, you already know this):
in ergative: GLASS=sh MILK=(ne=)ve=ne=sh (or plural: MILK=na=ash=e=ne=sh)
in absolutive: GLASS MILK=(ne=)ve (or plural: MILK=na=ash=e)

I am sorry that I have no better answer to your question.

However, if you have any more question I can try to answer them.

Best wishes from Heidelberg,

Jeanette

Dr. Jeanette C. Fincke
c/o Institut für Sprachen und Kulturen
des Vorderen Orients - Assyriologie
Hauptstr. 126
D - 69117 Heidelberg



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Originally written by Lady Davida:

OOC:

Yeah, Cain hadn't lost himself yet by Ephesos' post. I would advise a complete revision of that post. I also doubt that Filbert would be able to get there so quickly after his little run-in; remember, too, that there were only two ways to the place our characters are now. There's a reason nobody mentioned chosing a path; there's only one choice, so far, and that is backward or forward.In addition to that, I find the reentry somewhat unbelievable; nobody would stop fighting, that's for sure, and at least two or three of our characters would kill Filbert on sight, wolf-killer or not. He's going to have to do much more than kill a wolf if he's to be accepted; I highly doubt that Lisha would ever put any trust in him whatsoever.

I didn't say Cain was the winged demon. How many demons are there anyway. It may be a misunderstadning, but I assumed the demon that was shot down by sequioa was one demon, and a second charged in together with the wolves (It beats me how these wolves suddenly appeared). Also, how can I possibly know you took two days to get to that place?

Fine, I'll change it (the reentry part, from the point Filbert sees Edith). By the way, it wasn't clear to me where edith and Lisha exactly were. at the library, at the entrance to it, or far from the entrance?

EDIT: WOOHOO! post 1555!

[ Wednesday, February 01, 2006 06:05: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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First half of "Romeo and Juliette" - Tschaikowsky

I listened to it, and was immeditaly stunned. i fell completely silent. It was so extrememly beautifull...

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quote:
Originally written by Prometheus:

quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

I had another friend who suffered a heart attack because he failed to get a joke. That wasn't funny either.
You know, Ash wouldn't have a reason to make these corny-ass jokes anymore if you people weren't so dense.
Remember, we're not laughing with you, we're doing your mom.

if people choose not to pay attention to the joke, but simply, as there seemed to be enough stories about it, tell there own story, don't you think you should simply let them?

And before you say it (because I have a feeling you will):

DIE!

EDIT: thuryl, you are leaving us again? saturday, eh? okay, see you next month (assuming you miscalculate again :P ).

[ Tuesday, January 31, 2006 08:06: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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Okay, I'll change th verbs page... again.

Some langauges like Dutch, don't use an emormous array of all kinds of tenses adn the like. I'm not sure how german does this, but it might be similair, if not the same.

EDIT: I uploaded a newer version of the nouns page, in which I mainly explained the termiantive in a (hopefully) clearer way. I also hope the doubts that this is a terminative, are now taken away.

awwwww.... the banners are there. At least it is much better how they do it here, then how they did it at Angelfire.

[ Tuesday, January 31, 2006 07:35: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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I just remember the age of Empires series. It is a fantastic series of games, not so much for the strategy, but the chance to learn something about ancient civilizations. Also, their styles of buildings and tech-tree is interesting to look at. it is a way to see what a certain civilization actually managed to specialise itself in and in what not. Also, the choice of civilizations is very big (About 12 from all around the world).

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Yes, I had forgotten about the differences between dutch and english. I'm now in a total state of confusion. In Dutch, the latin perfectum can be translated as "He has trown" (most often used) and "he threw" (not often used). for this last example ("he threw") we use the latin "Imperfectum."

In other words, in dutch it is done like this:
Imperfectum: he threw
Perfectum: he has thrown.

If I say that "he threw" is simple past, and "he has thrown" present perfect, am I right then?

By the way, as ef already said, Dutch doesn't have the -ing form. If in Dutch you were to say "I'm going," you just say "ik ga" ("I go"). This means Dutch uses the present tense to denote an acyion you are starting at that moment (I go), or an action that is happening at that moment, but started just now (I'm going). I hope one can comprehend that explanation.

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EDIT: completely removed. davida's IC made my IC weird, mainly because I had thought he would wait before posting. I'll have to find another way to get Filbert there. in the meantime, I'll get Filbert as close as possible to lisha, cain and edith, and I'll what he will do after that.

[ Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:03: Message edited by: Thralni, The flying Dutchmen ]

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My cat didn't get run over, get beaten or something of that kind, but it did live long enough to become blind and deaf. He was totally senile at the end of his life, suffered two times from a stroke, eventually kept bumping into doors, the piano and walls, but still managed to live. he also always seemed to recognize my sent. he was a lovely cat.

Sorry, I'm getting all soft at the moment. I think I'm going to cry of all this memories...

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Option 2. Imperfect and perfect: "He threw" and "he has thrown." Thanks. I'm going to change it now.

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You are probably absolutely right about the "past perfect". What I want is like the latin perfectum. How would one call that in english?

And you're also right about the vocative and imperative confusion. I went under the assumption, somehow, that a vocative needs the imperative. I'm learning classical languages at school. You would expect that i would know that...

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Fine with me, slartucker. I suppose that means you think the verbs are poorly executed. Thta's a pity. I thought we were having a nice discussion, albeit with irritations now and then. oh well. I'll find somebody else to critisize instead. thanks for the help, though.

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Ah, so you must be good 'ol Marty, the hairdresser.

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Eating kittens. Why kittens! What did they ever do to you! eh!? Well, what did THEY do! EH!? ARE YOU LISTENING!! HE!!! ARE YOU LISTENING, EH! WELL, A.... I might as well shut up.

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Were your comments on the verbs page about the new version of the verbs page? i completely changed it, so I'm not sure if your comments are still relevant.

The pronunciation page is coming along nicely. I only have to make the descriptions (velar, trill, that sort of stuff).

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