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Oh, so it threatens your livelihood in particular and it gets 'tired', eh? It isn't just a river in Egypt, you know. :P

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Report: Seafood faces collapse by 2048

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Clambakes, crabcakes, swordfish steaks and even humble fish sticks could be little more than a fond memory in a few decades.
If current trends of overfishing and pollution continue, the populations of just about all seafood face collapse by 2048, a team of ecologists and economists warns in a report in Friday's issue of the journal Science.
"Whether we looked at tide pools or studies over the entire world's ocean, we saw the same picture emerging. In losing species we lose the productivity and stability of entire ecosystems," said the lead author Boris Worm of Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
"I was shocked and disturbed by how consistent these trends are -- beyond anything we suspected," Worm said.
While the study focused on the oceans, concerns have been expressed by ecologists about threats to fish in the Great Lakes and other lakes, rivers and freshwaters, too.
Worm and an international team spent four years analyzing 32 controlled experiments, other studies from 48 marine protected areas and global catch data from the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization's database of all fish and invertebrates worldwide from 1950 to 2003.
The scientists also looked at a 1,000-year time series for 12 coastal regions, drawing on data from archives, fishery records, sediment cores and archaeological data.
"At this point 29 percent of fish and seafood species have collapsed -- that is, their catch has declined by 90 percent. It is a very clear trend, and it is accelerating," Worm said. "If the long-term trend continues, all fish and seafood species are projected to collapse within my lifetime -- by 2048."
"It looks grim and the projection of the trend into the future looks even grimmer," he said. "But it's not too late to turn this around. It can be done, but it must be done soon. We need a shift from single species management to ecosystem management. It just requires a big chunk of political will to do it."
The researchers called for new marine reserves, better management to prevent overfishing and tighter controls on pollution.
In the 48 areas worldwide that have been protected to improve marine biodiversity, they found, "diversity of species recovered dramatically, and with it the ecosystem's productivity and stability."
While seafood forms a crucial concern in their study, the researchers were analyzing overall biodiversity of the oceans. The more species in the oceans, the better each can handle exploitation.
"Even bugs and weeds make clear, measurable contributions to ecosystems," said co-author J. Emmett Duffy of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences.
The National Fisheries Institute, a trade association for the seafood industry, does not share the researchers alarm.
"Fish stocks naturally fluctuate in population," the institute said in a statement. "By developing new technologies that capture target species more efficiently and result in less impact on other species or the environment, we are helping to ensure our industry does not adversely affect surrounding ecosystems or damage native species.
Seafood has become a growing part of Americans' diet in recent years. Consumption totaled 16.6 pounds per person in 2004, the most recent data available, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. That compares with 15.2 pounds in 2000.
Joshua Reichert, head of the private Pew Charitable Trusts' environment program, pointed out that worldwide fishing provides $80 billion in revenue and 200 million people depend on it for their livelihoods. For more than 1 billion people, many of whom are poor, fish is their main source of protein, he said.
The research was funded by the National Science Foundation's National Center for Ecological Synthesis and Analysis.

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Originally written by Burning Shiv:

You can do a good deed for someone at your own expense and never get any recognition for it, but you do it because you feel good about doing it. If you genuinely just became miserable, you wouldn't do it. I don't think it devalues kindness or generosity in any way. It just explains the psychology (or maybe philosophy) of being nice to people.

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I have a hard time thinking about that without having it devalue my estimation of kindness... not sure why. I just like thinking that it's something beyond psychology... even though I see the logic to the explanation.

Meh. In my mind, humanity is beyond definitions... which makes arguing that point incredibly difficult.

(And continuing the degeneration of this thread into yet another quiz topic - thanks Salmon - I scored as Guardian and Pacifist... those questions were horribly written)

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by The Stew Boy:

Well, at my school currently there aren't any bullies (at least not in my year.) Thank goodness.
But even if there were, I don't think I'd be able to defend myself. I have this thing with pain. Perhaps this is just me being ridiculous, but I seem to get hurt easier than other people. Which is why I don't like fighting.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

I'd like to disagree with the majority and say we are all evil bastards by nature. We inherently act in our own self-interest, disregarding others. What 'good' we do, we do because it benefits us in some way.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Zeviz:

if a boy hurts himself falling from a playground ladder, he'll know to better judge the risks next time.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Delicious Vlish:

Been thinking.

Strength of character means having the rats chew off your face rather than chewing off Julia's.

One or two of you might get this. The rest of you need to spend more time reading. :P

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Originally written by chasm of Sar:

How were the pictures added? I tried using instant UBB code Code button and pasting code in but that didn' work.

On a related note:

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And Ephesos was responding with two comments to two different posts.
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Psshh, you do it to get more posts. Don't even try lying about it.

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Originally written by Guardian Magma:

I still cannot load the page... :(

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Robert Daniel Oliver:

Yes, but is it also a good reason to vote against it?

I'm not clear on it either. What would limiting state spending do? Where would the spending be cut down? Where would the money go instead?

If the answers, respectively, are "privatize public institutions", "education" and "more tax cuts for everyone" (where, in a way scarily reminiscent of Imban, Everyone is Halliburton), then you know how I'd vote. Because I'm a damncommie, see.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Robert Daniel Oliver:

Thank you Alec. That went some way toward restoring my faith in this board.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Nah, we're not in agreement after all. I don't want any of 'em to survive.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Andraste:

123 posts. I'm shocked at my ability to say a lot but not really contribute anything. Much like this post. Actually, it 124 posts now.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Andraste:

Call for cease posting!

There. It is done.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Well, you all know that I'm in favour of anything that causes children to suffer, but I'm surprised that other people agree with me for once.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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