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Originally written by ef:

I do not share your view that a fetus is a living human being, at least not in the first trimester which is where most abortions occur in my country. But though I can accept that you have a different view, I still feel troubled by your disregard of the psychological state of traumatized women and their ability to cope with it.

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Originally written by spy.there:

And for the topic: Of course must abortion be legal. It's still our womb, guys. Male politicians should just keep out of that theme.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Several of my beta testers are more experienced testers than I am a designer, so I don't bother giving people like Thuryl or Imban instructions. I give first-timers some instructions.

"[T]he idea is that you should play this scenario all the way through, looking for bugs, problems, logical errors, or anything else to comment on before release to the general public (including, perhaps, anything that you particularly like about the scenario, which is also quite useful). Try to explore around, checking on all the details."

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Originally written by Bad-Ass Mother Custer:

Slavery created an incredible number of political-agency problems, was economically inefficient in the long run, and so forth. Moralistics weren't the only reason to outlaw it.

Slavery is far more brutal than abortion even if you're taking that absurd life-begins-at-conception tack. The embryo isn't old enough to take it personally.

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Originally written by ef:

In a society you can agree with, Ash Lael, the rate of suicide in women will be high. And no, they will not wait, until the child is born.

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Originally written by ef:

It has not so much to do with hate, Ash Lael, it has to do with damage. You would accept any amount of irreparable emotional damage done a woman to uphold your ideal of how life should be. Tell me, why does she have to pay the prize for your ideals? And if she seeks the mercy of death, would you then force her to live?

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Not until you explain to me why you apparently think it's always wrong to kill people.

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Originally written by Bad-Ass Mother Custer:

"No abortion period" is impractical. There are cases in which carrying a pregnancy to term will be fatal to the mother, and in that case an abortion should occur. Even if you consider that embryo a human life, it's a matter of choosing one corpse over two.

Then there's cases in which it's medically imperative rather than necessary.

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Originally written by buried spelunker cowry:

Thanks, Creator.

I think that sexual education will be a good thing. However, sometimes people end up getting pregnant without wanting to, and having taken all the necessary precautions. Although it may sound shallow to say this, should those women give birth? What if they can't raise the child properly at that time? I understand the point of view of pro lifers, but sometimes it seems to be too radical: no abortion under any circumstance, period. What should a woman who is under such circumstances, or others, do? Give the baby to adoption or just swallow up her complaints and raise him/her? If the baby goes to adoption, that would be taking the baby away from a family (which may or many not be a good thing) And if the mother has to raise a kid without the ability, at the moment to do so, then what? She should just do so and that's it?

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Consciousness while in dream state is arguable. If one were unconscious they would not remember their dreams. I for one remember several dreams, and they can be quite lifelike.

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The issue I have with this is that the references show that there is physical “life.” I am not denying that. There is life, but it is that of the mother. Fetuses can't live in test tubes, they are not independent life forms in any sense.

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Are they people?, what is a person? Are my blood cells people?, they are living things as much as a fetus in the first trimmest. They have no consciousness, they need nutrition to survive, and they are living in my body. I know this is crude comparison to a fetus, but this is the claim that is made, if it is fertilized it's alive. If I eat fertile chicken eggs is that murder?

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