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Originally written by Thralni, emperor of Riverrod:

You said that its "all ego-stroke enticing".

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Originally written by Arancaytar:

Which is?

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That goblins have family lives and feelings too. They're just not as bright sometimes, while othertimes they end up saving your butt.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

I think the idea is: being nice to each other is better than being completely mean and unpleasant to each other. This is a novel concept when it comes to talking about Blades scenarios, I know, but saying a few good things about a scenario makes it much easier to tolerate saying a few negative things about a scenario, which is something that I think all of us forget too often.

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Originally written by Micawber:

Well I'm looking forward to Avernum 4 (even if, to judge by this forum, I'm almost the only one). My principal fear about A4 was that it would introduce the GF combat mode - with its unpredictable grid and weird action point rules. Based on the comments by drakefyre and *i, I'm hopeful that A4 will avoid these drawbacks. So I give A4 an unqualified welcome.

You know, I disagree with almost everybody's comments above. For me it's the gameplay, not the plot, that makes SW games so good. For example the replayability - this is because of the gameplay and atmosphere - on the second/third/nth time round you already know the plot, but you still want to play.

To be perfectly honest the plot of Exile/Avernum/Nethergate leaves me cold anyway, and is even off-putting (spells? goblins? magic ravens? give me a break!). The plot of Geneforge was sort of interesting because it's quasi-scientific and linked to current issues, but on its own it wouldn't make me play the game. But the actual playing of the game is fun, so the plot really doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned the only function of the plot is to get you in position to try new challenges. Pretty much the only thing the plot could do to spoil things would be not playing "fair". For example just killing you pointlessly or arbitrarily taking away your stats. Jeff obviously understands this because his games are scrupulously "fair". And that's all I ask.

Apparently no one else here agrees, but that's my ha'p'orth (or 2 cents' worth, if you will).

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Originally written by Ash Lael:

Too bad I don't like BoA. All this ego-stroking looks enticing. :P

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Its better people liking you, than disliking you. That's why.

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Jeff, I mock you for not having the guts to allow vahnatai player characters.

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I think it is strange that you are the only prominent member so far to have supported this idea. I think it would add to the game a lot, and it doesn't seem like it would be very hard to implement. Also my money is on dragon revenge.

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Glad to see he still reads these boards. Even if we are all idiots.

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Speak for yourself my friend.

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Hey, hey. Be nice.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

I preferred Back to Normal's take on goblins, personally. :P

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Originally written by Archmage Alex:

In A1 or A2, in the spider tunnels west of the very start, you find a humanoid skeleton of some one who does not fit the descriptions of any known races. I'll look and see if I can find it. Maybe it was them. Personally, I'm sticking with my GIFTR idea.

EDIT: Found it, it's in A2.

"There is a mummified body suspended from one of the webs in this narrow passage. It has long since been sucked dry. Thinking there might be valuables concealed inside the cocoon, you look closer.

"Sure enough, you see a long, slender object, about a foot long, concealed under a few layers of webbing.

"You cut the webs away from the body and discover it was a humanoid of a race you've never seen before. He or she was very tall and impossibly thin, and its hair was pure white. The body has probably been here for a few months.

"In a pouch at its side, you find, several gold disks and a slender wand. Distracted from your curiosity about its origin by a burst of pure greed, you pocket the loot."

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Originally written by Spring:

I also think that the mung rats get a raw deal, also.

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Kel, what you described did not seem like a description of Avernum 3. And Avernum 4 does not have "monster plagues."

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Recall the over-arching plot of A3: someone's created monster plagues. Go and kill a bunch of stuff. Oh, and it was the vahnatai. Why? Because they're still mad about the same thing as before.

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Originally written by Marlenny:

It is free, but I think you need to buy a number in order to speak to other people which means that you'd be spending money. I think that if it's calling within the country, then cell phones are def cheaper. You just know how to control yourself and let the long phone calls for weekends.

or late nights. *winks at that special sw member* ;)

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