Bahssikava

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Chief Spider watching The Simpsons Shock Trooper Member # 6068	written Friday, August 26 2005 15:03 Profile #0 Hey, you know that scenario "Bahssikava?" Lots of you have played it before right? Well, I just wanted to take the time and the audacity to create a new topic thread just to say that that game is PERFECT. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, no negative aspects to that scenario whatsoever, and there will be no more posts after this. -Signed in blood, Christopher -------------------- "Sometimes I get all hungry! And then I catch some flies! They fly into my webs! They are really yummy guys!" -Spider Posts: 209 \| Registered: Monday, July 4 2005 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, August 26 2005 15:22 Profile Homepage #1 A warning to prospective scenario designers may be warranted at this point. Bahss is pretty combat-heavy, and that's bound to get old sooner or later. Don't try and copy its formula unless you're sure you have something new to add. I liked Bahssikava, but I suspect I wouldn't like the 15th scenario that tried to be Bahssikava nearly so much. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, August 26 2005 17:38 Profile Homepage #2 Glad to hear you liked it! You will, of course, be rating it on SW and CSR, right? [/shameless plug] I'm definitely not going to make another scenario like Bahssikava, so I don't think that others should either. I pretty much agree with Thuryl. If you're interested to know what I think worked and what I think didn't, I wrote a long post describing the history of Bahs and my thoughts on its successes and failures over here. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Friday, August 26 2005 22:38 Profile Homepage #3 Wow. i read everything you wrote there, and was amazed. You really did research before making the scenario. i can respect that. However, I still didn't play, but I'm very anxious to do so. All I hear about it is how great it is. Not only would i like to play it for fun, but also to see how you construct your plot and scenario. Not to copy you, or something, just to see how one of the best scenario makers I know does it. I think I'll just create a high level party and start the scenario. That's the only thing I found less about Bahssikava: The extremely high level party you have to have before you can play it. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Friday, August 26 2005 23:03 Profile Homepage #4 Too bad I don't like BoA. All this ego-stroking looks enticing. :P -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Saturday, August 27 2005 01:56 Profile Homepage #5 quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: Too bad I don't like BoA. All this ego-stroking looks enticing. :P Its better people liking you, than disliking you. That's why. however, I played a bit of the scenario with a about level 35 party. it was very nice until I got to these mutant lizards. That was the first fight and I already was dead. I liked that story. Its the only time I can remember, that I'd like to see a cutscene of this length a second time. Very good, kel. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
The_Nazgul Infiltrator Member # 2940	written Saturday, August 27 2005 04:27 Profile Homepage #6 I liked it too. It's my favourite scenario so far, the scripting is awesome. Although, to be honest, I haven't finished the game yet. :P So far so good anyway. The only thing I could complain about is the suggested levels of the starting party (35-45). Maybe Kel played it with a specially designed party that suited the heavy combat requirements of the game. Personally I found it a bit too hard for my party (level: 45, difficulty: normal). I would say the scenario is more like 50 and over. I pity the poor souls that try to beat the game with a level 35 party. Fortunately this is no mayor bug, a little change in the scenario properties from 35-45 to say 45-55 and bingo! It is done. -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 \| Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Saturday, August 27 2005 04:34 Profile Homepage #7 quote: Originally written by Thralni, emperor of Riverrod: quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: Too bad I don't like BoA. All this ego-stroking looks enticing. :P Its better people liking you, than disliking you. That's why. I have no idea what you're talking about. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Saturday, August 27 2005 05:02 Profile Homepage #8 quote: Originally written by The_Nazgul: The only thing I could complain about is the suggested levels of the starting party (35-45). Maybe Kel played it with a specially designed party that suited the heavy combat requirements of the game. It's hard to make a good recommendation for party level, because different players are differently skilled. I was able to beat Bahssikava on Torment difficulty with a level-25 party, all of whom had no advantageous traits, multiple disadvantageous traits, and items and spells straight out of the HLPM (no fancy artifacts). Mind you, I was sweating blood throughout the first few dungeons of the scenario, but I like it that way. [ Saturday, August 27, 2005 05:03: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, August 27 2005 05:14 Profile Homepage #9 quote: Originally written by The_Nazgul: Maybe Kel played it with a specially designed party that suited the heavy combat requirements of the game. Personally I found it a bit too hard for my party (level: 45, difficulty: normal). I would say the scenario is more like 50 and over. I pity the poor souls that try to beat the game with a level 35 party. Fortunately this is no mayor bug, a little change in the scenario properties from 35-45 to say 45-55 and bingo! It is done. This is definitely not a bug. I beat it with a HLPM-made party at level 40 that was entirely like the default party — I didn't do anything special because I wanted to make sure that it could be done without anything weird. If you want to know how I did it, read the walkthrough. There were a few fights throughout the scenario that gave me trouble, but I explain how I got through them. I am told that a party that is strong in missile weapons goes through much more easily than a default-like party. quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: quote: Originally written by Thralni, emperor of Riverrod: quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: Too bad I don't like BoA. All this ego-stroking looks enticing. :P Its better people liking you, than disliking you. That's why. I have no idea what you're talking about. I think the idea is: being nice to each other is better than being completely mean and unpleasant to each other. This is a novel concept when it comes to talking about Blades scenarios, I know, but saying a few good things about a scenario makes it much easier to tolerate saying a few negative things about a scenario, which is something that I think all of us forget too often. [ Saturday, August 27, 2005 05:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The_Nazgul Infiltrator Member # 2940	written Saturday, August 27 2005 05:50 Profile Homepage #10 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: Mind you, I was sweating blood throughout the first few dungeons of the scenario, but I like it that way. ¨ Masochist. :D BTW, it's not that I suck or anything, I've only died a couple of times so far. (Wanted to clear that out right away, I have my reputation.). It's just that I had to make many, MANY energy potions and that just puts me in a bad mood. Also, I don't like using walkthoughs unless I get stuck (So far, only once, with the barrel into the pit thing. Nasty nest by the way). -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 \| Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Saturday, August 27 2005 06:15 Profile Homepage #11 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: [b] It's hard to make a good recommendation for party level, because different players are differently skilled. I was able to beat Bahssikava on Torment difficulty with a level-25 party, all of whom had no advantageous traits, multiple disadvantageous traits, and items and spells straight out of the HLPM (no fancy artifacts).[/b][/QUOTE] True, how true. You don't know what problems i have with my own scenario on that field. It started with plans for a level 10 -20 scenario. Now I'm working on a 20 - 30 scenario, and I'm still not sure if its right that way. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
The_Nazgul Infiltrator Member # 2940	written Saturday, August 27 2005 06:20 Profile Homepage #12 It gets harder the higher the level of your party. For starting parties there is not much difference from the party of player A with the party of player B. But when they reach level 45, there WILL be a lot of differences. -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 \| Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00
gcmaxxon Warrior Member # 2796	written Saturday, August 27 2005 12:20 Profile #13 Hi, I also enjoyed the scenario. I started the scenario out with a party of 31 and by games end my party was up to 57! All I can say about that, is that I must have done a lot of ingame editing. :P gcmaxxon -------------------- quote: " He loved maps, and in his hall there hung a large one of the Country Round with all his favourite walks marked on it in red ink." ---The Hobbit pg21 Posts: 97 \| Registered: Wednesday, March 19 2003 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Saturday, August 27 2005 13:24 Profile Homepage #14 I made a topic similar to this, I remember. The scenario might be combat-heavy (I didn't find it so), but it certainly carried enormous background story and setting. Indeed, if I ever get around to writing that encyclopedia entry on the Slithzerikai, Bahs will probably be the most abundant reference to draw on. -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Saturday, August 27 2005 14:07 Profile Homepage #15 Fortunately, you can see my notes online, too, so you can see where I got the stuff that I said in Bahs. I tried not to make too much up. This should help to separate the canon from the fanfic, so to speak. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Bender Bending Rodriguez Shock Trooper Member # 3368	written Saturday, August 27 2005 15:07 Profile #16 quote: Originally written by The_Nazgul: The only thing I could complain about is the suggested levels of the starting party (35-45). Maybe Kel played it with a specially designed party that suited the heavy combat requirements of the game. Personally I found it a bit too hard for my party (level: 45, difficulty: normal). I would say the scenario is more like 50 and over. I pity the poor souls that try to beat the game with a level 35 party. Fortunately this is no mayor bug, a little change in the scenario properties from 35-45 to say 45-55 and bingo! It is done. I disagree. I am in the process of beating it with a 45 singleton and I'm doing OK. -------------------- "Like most of life's problems, this one can be solved with bending" Posts: 287 \| Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Saturday, August 27 2005 16:59 Profile Homepage #17 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: I think the idea is: being nice to each other is better than being completely mean and unpleasant to each other. This is a novel concept when it comes to talking about Blades scenarios, I know, but saying a few good things about a scenario makes it much easier to tolerate saying a few negative things about a scenario, which is something that I think all of us forget too often. I understand the concept that it's nicer to have people saying good things about your work, that's self-evident. I couldn't see what relevance that point had as a reply to my comment. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Saturday, August 27 2005 22:41 Profile Homepage #18 You said that its "all ego-stroke enticing" As a reply to that, I said that its better to say something good and let people like you (to stroke the ego), instead of saying its all crap and not stroke the ego. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Sunday, August 28 2005 00:39 Profile Homepage #19 quote: Originally written by Thralni, emperor of Riverrod: You said that its "all ego-stroke enticing". I most certainly did not! -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Drakefyre Triad Mage Member # 7	written Sunday, August 28 2005 02:27 Profile Homepage #20 In his reply to your post, he said why ego-stroking was enticing. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Sunday, August 28 2005 02:50 Profile Homepage #21 Yes, and he completely missed the point by doing so. I'm in no way tempted to stroke Kelandon's ego; I just washed my hands. I meant, from the perspective of a designer, it's too bad I don't like BoA, because I wouldn't mind a bit of that fawning adulation. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
The_Nazgul Infiltrator Member # 2940	written Sunday, August 28 2005 04:13 Profile Homepage #22 quote: Originally written by Bender Bending Rodriguez: quote: Originally written by The_Nazgul: The only thing I could complain about is the suggested levels of the starting party (35-45). Maybe Kel played it with a specially designed party that suited the heavy combat requirements of the game. Personally I found it a bit too hard for my party (level: 45, difficulty: normal). I would say the scenario is more like 50 and over. I pity the poor souls that try to beat the game with a level 35 party. Fortunately this is no mayor bug, a little change in the scenario properties from 35-45 to say 45-55 and bingo! It is done. I disagree. I am in the process of beating it with a 45 singleton and I'm doing OK. Bah, singleton is easier. At least for me. -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 \| Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Sunday, August 28 2005 04:27 Profile Homepage #23 quote: Originally written by Ash Lael: I'm in no way tempted to stroke Kelandon's ego; I just washed my hands. Did you ever read me saying that? But please, lets just continue on the topic: Bahssikava. I don't feel like starting to defend myself. [ Sunday, August 28, 2005 04:30: Message edited by: Thralni, emperor of Riverrod ] -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Sunday, August 28 2005 05:13 Profile Homepage #24 You explained why you found it enticing to stroke egos, I was pointing out that wasn't what I meant, rather I found the prospect of having my own ego stroked so enthusiastically somewhat enticing. :P There's no need to "defend" yourself, you aren't being attacked. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00