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Do we have a new moderator? in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Tuesday, April 11 2006 20:16 Profile Homepage #24 quote: Originally written by Ur-Noob: bashing on ben Yeah-- you're right. You christians are far too persecuted nowadays. I mean it. We really should stop feeding you to the lions. Or forcing people to convert to atheism at gunpoint. Or declaring wars to spread our superior, atheist culture abroad. Or electing governments that are blatantly one-sided in their anti-religious convictions and alienate christians. If heaven exists and it's for christians only, let me know now so I can start accepting satan as my personal savior. EDIT: Or are you implying that your beliefs aren't well defined enough, and we should give you quarter for you to explore them without being shut down? And if that's the case, you are a more arrogant and oblivious prat than I had ever imagined-- worst part is, in christian America, you will be the one to get your way. [ Tuesday, April 11, 2006 20:21: Message edited by: Butt Paladin ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Are fantasy RPGs inherently conservative? in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Tuesday, April 11 2006 17:30 Profile Homepage #29 There well and truly is no left wing in American politics. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Are fantasy RPGs inherently conservative? in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Tuesday, April 11 2006 13:43 Profile Homepage #22 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: Beowulf, for instance, has Grendel, Grendel's mother, and the dragon, all of which are pretty distinctly evil monsters and need to be killed. John Gardner, but nevermind that. quote: I don't think any fantasy "race" is a stand-in for a human race. We've gotten past that. Sure, killing goblins on sight might not be politically correct, but because there are no goblins in the real world people can accept that goblins are always evil and move on. That people can accept "x is always y" is itself a massively apathetic if not outright evil ideology. quote: Conservatives say that the terrorist bombers are evil and should be eradicated. Liberals say that the terrorists have good reasonss to be bombing, like getting bombed first. I beg your pardon: These ideas are not mutually exclusive. Keep in mind that just as Locke introduced materialism, he also introduced (paradoxically) meritocracy: The liberal argument would not be that these terrorists have a good reason to bomb, but that despite their good reasons to bomb, they are still evil and must be eradicated. In fact, the "conservative" arguments being thrown against Islamicists tends to be that terrorists have not yet embraced Enlightenment-era progressiveness enough. Because as much as liberalism's roots have determined the cause for the terrorists' actions, liberalism's ultimate response to terrorists is a command-form issue to change. And okay, you can argue a more "sensible" form of liberalism by extending materialism and attempting to further the understading of Islamicists in policy-making, but the same justifications you might give towards the Islamicists demand further limitations on freeom, and at that point, you contradict the very "liberty" upon which liberalism is founded. quote: Could everyone who uses it in the future please define what "liberal" means to them, whether (and in what way) they see themselves as one, and whether the term is positive, negative or neutral when they use it? Liberalism: "Liberalism is an ideology, philosophy, and political tradition which holds liberty as the primary political value.[1] Broadly speaking, liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on the power of government, wealth, and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of minorities are guaranteed." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism I consider liberalism in a negative context and do not consider myself one. I believe that freedoms are necessary, but not inherently good, and certainly not the ultimate achievement of a government. quote: I don't know that conservatives really own the monopoly on the "Greater Good," as much as they would like to believe it. In fact, Mill wrote on the "Greater Good" far more than, say, Burke. quote: If anything, it seems to me that most RPG PCs are trying to shake up the status quo for the sake of the "Greater Good," a tactic which is more frequently associated with Liberals. True. But RPGs also tend to favor conclusions which are in-line with a modern liberal democratic form of thought, which smacks of conservatism. Because ultimately, as much as the "conservative" government exists in-game, the message of such an RP outside of the game is a support of the ethics of the status quo, which makes RPGs as concurrent with Paine as they are with Burke. Now, it seems as if many of you seem to believe that there exists a conservatism-- and to that, my answer is no. A lot of what is associated with conservatism is actually quite liberal (since our tradition at this point IS quite liberal), and that which isn't is more accurately described as "reactionary." Anti-liberal, religious, etc. sentiment is not conservative since there is nothing to CONSERVE. It is reactionary since it seeks to go back to what was rather than maintain what is. Final Fantasy, for instance, is in some ways reactionary when it isn't liberal: That would be called romanticism, a form of luddite nonsense that the Bush administration (as well as other fascist organizations) has become steeped with. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Satanism in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 19:27 Profile Homepage #44 Wow- I leave for 2-3 hours, and... quote: Let me remind you that we are talking about a biological standpoint, not a human one. Way to completely ignore what I said in the whole paragraph following what you quoted. quote: So it has never occured to you that this notion of the greater good you are so adamantly defending origionated in religion, something you are so adamantly against. So wait- you're trying to prove that humans are fundamentally evil? And you believe that we were created to be fundamentally evil? What worthless, absurdist cad of a deity are you worshipping, and why haven't you taken to hating it yet? quote: The evolutionary perogative for parents to care for their children is because children are a part of the parent. The parent knows that the child will survive long after the parent is gone. This does not, in and of itself, say anything. Namely: quote: because children are a part of the parent How you get to that point is beyond me. quote: 1. You and your three siblings are attacked by a trio of hungry and quick-stepping zombies. If you all run, three of you will be eaten and one will survive. If instead one of you distracts the zombies, that one is guaranteed a slow, painful death but the other three will live. Because you get a random half of your genes from one parent and a random half from the other, you have on average half of the same genes as a sibling (one quarter overlap of each parent's genes). Saving yourself preserves one set of your genes, but dying to save three siblings saves three halves of a set. Altruism is favored by evolution because altruistic genes differentially reproduce more. Fine- but what about mothers/fathers dying to save only one of their children? If such a thing were to happen, it would indicate that empathy exists on a level that is not strictly mathematical. quote: Even without zombies, this is true. Helping each other in the expectations of more help makes sense as long as you expect others to reciprocate. But there is no feasible reason for the person to not help you in all subsequent occurences. The person already knows that you have helped her/him once, and based on a precept of trust which is mandated to humans by the maternal experience, s/he will help you in your time of need if possible since the person will be expecting you to do the same. In other words, it's not as if someone calculates the profit margin of being helped by another individual. Trust is an implicit process that requires an abandonment of moral calculus in order to function. quote: But you get to feel good. If it didn't feel good to give, nobody would. I take contention with this, although it's totally tertiary to the argument, so I won't bother prodding it for now. quote: The Jews may have been the first people to worry about orthodoxy, though. Not true. The Jews were originally pagan unto themselves until an ancient queen was slain by members of the "Cult of Yahweh," at which point all other Jewish deities became lumped together as Yahweh. (Which, for instance, explains why Jethro worships "El Elohim," and Abraham remarks that Jethro follows the god of his father.) At any rate: I would contend that (and especially since the door has been opened for such) the act of trusting is the one that places the longest-lasting impression on humans. In this way, humanity has not been founded on a precision-guided laser, but rather a notion of trust in fellow human beings that external circumstances (ie, death of loved ones, communication failures, accidents, etc) can only hope to disrupt. That any "selfless" or even helpful act has to be reduced to moral calculus to be justified does not show an increase in humanity's rational capacities, but rather a progressive demeaning of every individual that results in a new, twisted form of "selflessness" that lives up to its name by denying the importance of everyone. [ Monday, April 10, 2006 20:55: Message edited by: Imban ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Satanism in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 15:05 Profile Homepage #31 quote: You must be joking. How many times have you seen an animal give up food in the hopes that the other animal it gave its food to will one day give him back food in return? Never. That cannot happen outside humanity. And yet it happens inside of humanity. Let me remind you that we don't base our behavior off of the behavior of lions. At any rate, humanity, being a sexually-reproducing species, must have some form of consensus with itself. Given that, there is bound to be some form of society from an "evolutionary" standpoint. At that point, when a society exists, those who are most preferable to the society will be the ones people wish to dispose of the least and wish to help the most. Humans have a higher intelligence quotient than all other animals we are aware of: If we have organized into societies which do not butcher each other de facto (and while it is true that we kill each other, that we even observe it to be something unnatural is in itself anormal), there may be a reason for it. quote: That is a very selfish feeling. To have your line go on. Even at the expense of your own life in some cases. So you're saying that your mother and father only want you to succeed so that, um, they can pretend that they've succeeded in your stead? What I pointed out was that there is an evolutionary prerogative for parents to care for their children. What you are "pointing out" is a bold-fased assumption. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Which spiderweb software game is best? in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 14:53 Profile Homepage #25 quote: If we're considering future potential — "Which is a better buy if you're going to be a part of the community for a while?" — then BoA wins. I disagree. Evidence has shown that the community has shrunk drastically- Al's getting a career, Stareye's getting more involved with work, Creator not having access to a computer, BB going off to (supposedly) work with NWN, Drizzt having a child, etc... BoE was already bound to hit a brick wall before BoA came out, but with BoA being so diffiult to learn, it certainly doesn't help the new people-- who at this point are direly needed-- to acclamate themselves to the new medium. Which is, I suppose, why I object so strongly to this: quote: BoA has potential, but we haven't come remotely close to matching what BoE did with its (supposedly) more limited potential. At that point, saying that BoA is the better game is like saying that a DVD is a better medium for storing a movie than a VHS tape: True, but it is only a medium. This argument assumes some sort of mythical "ideal scenario" that does not exist in either medium. We have not hit the "ceiling" in BoE, nor have we hit it in BoA. But ultimately, at the rate we're going, the extent of our progress with BoA will not come close to matching BoE. I don't care about the abstract potentials of the medium. Point is, not only have we not reached it, we haven't reached BoE, we haven't reached where it was at this point in time, and it looks like we aren't ever going to. And until this prospect changes, even the theoretical argument is rather worthless. Plus, BoA is fun for an editor, but wholly worthless without scenarios. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Satanism in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 14:41 Profile Homepage #29 quote: Originally written by Hors d'oeuvre or ordure+V?: From a biological standpoint, everything that every organism does is motivated by selfishness, and for good reason: selflessness quickly breeds out of the gene pool. I call your bluff- for instance, wouldn't selflessness be most desireable in all forms except for a sexual one? Let's say that everyone has meat, and one person is generous with her/his meat. The other people will be more inclined to help this person and less inclined to get rid of such a person. In fact, I'd argue that empathy is virtually demanded by evolution-- how else, for instance, will children survive, if not by their mothers? Hell, even the famous liberal John Locke states that a union between woman and man arose from the desire to aid in a child's growth. So as much as "selfishness" is the mantra of all capitalists out there, there's no good reason why it should prevail over "selflessness" (and to refer to it as such a term is incredibly defeatist anyway). (And of course, this assumes that "selflessness" is genetic, which I also find incredibly abhorrent and unbased, but nevermind that.) -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Are fantasy RPGs inherently conservative? in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 14:26 Profile Homepage #12 quote: Originally written by Smugglers' Alliance, Chief of the: Games such as Final Fantasy contain a good bit of moral ambiguity. Absurd. Final Fantasy is THE prime example of the Roussea-romanticist charge Zorro is pinning on RPGs. Final Fantasy II's main villain tried to take over the world by using a mechanical Dreadnaught. The villain of IV used airships, a giant mechanical tower and a giant robot. The story of V talks about an ancient civilization with machinery that collapsed because it used too many resources. Magitek in VI is obviously anti-industrial. And if we couldn't get even more obvious, there's Makoro (literally Devil's Furnace in the Nihongo) in VII. Good lord. The Final Fantasy franchise is the absolutely most romanticist line of games to exist, period. The reason for this is that Japan is one of the few nations left in the world that has not realized that conservatism as an ideology from liberalism has ceased to exist. They have borrowed the psychology of Jung to pursue their luddite-liberal beliefs in order to revive the last remaining kindles of their butchered nationalism. (Think, for instance, about folks like Mishima-- or, rather, how recently the Meiji Restoration is in Japanese history.) Vogel is no romanticist, though. He's a libertarian-- for instance, if you look at BoE's version of ASR, it's clear that both sides are still wrong, but there's more emphasis on the tortured people and there's practically no political commentary. The BoA version, on the other hand, practically smears liberalism all over the "good guys," deeming Stalker to be a "communist" and Jaen a "monarch/feudalist." Or, for instance- look at how the Geneforges have progressed. The "Shapers" have always been unequivocably bad from the modern liberal democratic standpoint: They're oppressive, bad for business, use slaves, yada yada. And yet, the Takers and Awakened have been changing: On the one hand, the Takers start off in GF1 in a situation far more capable of generating their beliefs, and their faction ultimately achieves the end promised- wiping away the burden of the Shaper's yoke of alienating labor. Of course, it still is Vanguard Theory in an agrarian society, but it gets progressively worse: In GF2, it's concluded that the Takers cannot beat the Shapers, the Takers are far more violent and bloodthirsty, and their leader is far more egotistical- Stalinist, if I may. Furthermore, the Awakened turn into a more mercantile faction in GF2, they remain rational and don't seek to overthrow the government, but rather further the mantra of "free trade," which is the capitalist's ultimate dream. Exile has always been libertarian-land. And goddamn, if it isn't getting consistently worse. quote: So the idea of "black magic" being evil is way older than any sort of racial tensions in the western world. True, but it is a very convenient ideology when docking wages and chasing druggies on the lam. quote: As for Spidweb players being liberal, there is a simple reason for that: as somebody said, Try "Winston Churchill." quote: "if a young person isn't liberal, he has no heart. If an old person isn't conservative, he has no head." "If a person is liberal without being conservative or vice-versa, s/he is very confused." quote: Liberals lean more towards seeing both sides, Are you seriously trying to BS me like this? quote: —Alorael, who doesn't see much racism in RPGs. Human vs. non-human speciesism, yes, but that's not quite the same. So wait- promoting the mass slaughter of intelligent, sentient humanoids isn't a racist ideology? Am I hearing you correctly? -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... Reloaded" in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 03:58 Profile Homepage #312 Okay, yeah. I wasn't defending Zephyr, just confirming that homing pigeons are indeed legit. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... Reloaded" in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Monday, April 10 2006 03:13 Profile Homepage #310 To be fair, multiple factions are using homing pigeons, and it's not very difficult to do so. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Twelve Pills in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 20:25 Profile Homepage #2 Question- How accurate is the scale? Because it'd be really friggin' obvious if it would tell us exact weights, but if it only did "heavier/lighter," that'd change things. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
A friendly competition. in Blades of Avernum
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 20:22 Profile Homepage #1 You lose. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Satanism in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 17:29 Profile Homepage #10 quote: Originally written by Ur-Noob: The only way to heaven is through Jesus. If you don't mind be spouting views on a thread that asked for it. :P I don't know though. Satanists just stike as the kind of people in the world that just aren't going to be productive citizens. All the gangsters, drunks, stoners, and so on. But then again, I'm sure some are real nice and loving, but they still won't get to heaven. If god is perfect and its message is perfect, then why did he pick utter and complete dickwads like you to spread the good news? -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
OoC Thread for "An RP in the World of Avernum... Reloaded" in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 16:42 Profile Homepage #307 Ephesos: The messenger that got slaughtered was indeed one of the ones that Goldenking's faction sent out. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
SW-Arena Synopsis in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 13:06 Profile Homepage #9 Clarify... -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
An RP in the World of Avernum Reloaded in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 12:22 Profile Homepage #280 EDIT: (OOC: I killed off your leader because he was in Lyonard's capitol and Lyonard wants to consolidate control of the army. Furthermore, Lyonard doesn't want your unit gaining political capital. Your leader stepped into a deceptively suicidally dangerous situation and was offed. It's the job of your next leader to not die-- but that won't be easy, considering that you have no proof of how the old one died.) Barbariccia. Rubicante is beaming with his fingers folded while a large swordsman with a bared and scarred chest dumps a gold-studded, red outfit in front of Rubicante's desk. "So, how did it go?" "It went, how to say, magnificently?" "I see. Any news?" "Well, yes. Apparently, our agents have told me that whoever this McCallister is, he must be organizing an intelligence agency in his ranks, since security is getting more stringent than Tygra ever had it." "That is strange." "Yes. And what makes it even stranger is, I doubt that McCallister was the one to have devised such a scheme." "Oh? What makes you say that?" "Well, McCallister fell for the guise far too easily. He actually believed that I was you-- no offense, sir." "None taken. But Bentham, do you honestly believe that he took you seriously?" "Oh, completely. He's young and optimistic." "Then the reports are true." "Sir?" "There's a shadow government in place." "Not surprising, sir. Then, I was about to tell you... McCallister offered to have us find out who distributed the mental reagents to the people of Krizsan." "Hm..." "But even if McCallister is sincere, whoever is above him has probably seen through our ploy used to take down the Hunters." "So he'd want to remove any foreign elements from his military before they have a chance to manipulate him." "Before we left, I received word from all of the agents. They seem to be able to remain undercover for now. I instructed those not already close to their commanding officers to leave. Was I right in using my jurisdiction in such a manner?" "Hmm... Yes, I believe you were." "Oh, and McCallister also offered to pay us for naval assistance in putting down Hunter resistance." Rubicante, upon hearing this, doubled over with laughter. Cagnazzo woke up from his slumber. "Aye, boss, what's making you be so levity-like today?" "Cagnazzo, how opportune. Get your men and tell them to go to Valorim-- we've got orders from the new government to attack the Hunters!" "Wh-what? New government? You mean, we were successful?" "Turns out, there was a rebellion, and their leader put up a frontman who might actually wrest control of the government away from him. And better part is, the frontman is on our side!" Cagnazzo buckled up and began snickering. "Ah, but how opportune! You've got the gambler's luck of the century, me friend." Bentham clapped his hands together. "Well then, Master Rubicante. With your permission, I'd like to escort Cagnazzo's men to Valorim again to draw McCallister closer to us." "Yes, it is wisest that you do so. But then... By all means, do pick up your uniform. Oh, and do we have any svelte, hand-less folks around here?" Cagnazzo burst into laughter. "A-hah...! Aye, hah! We do. No, I already be seein' yer plan... And boy, do I got the perfect man for it. Scars all over, and a parrot who can do parlor tricks! Aye, I got yer man. And why don't we arm our cannons with fireworks, paint dovey-doves on dar ships, and dress them two's retinue up like a cast of jesters...? Ar-har-har!!" Rubicante, tittering madly, turns to Cagnazzo. "Consider it done." "Ar-har-ha-- what?!" "Yes. Consider it done." "Ye can't be serio--" "Do it." [ Sunday, April 09, 2006 12:26: Message edited by: Butt Paladin ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
An RP in the World of Avernum Reloaded in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 11:59 Profile Homepage #278 OOC: What I'm telling you is that Lyonard had Malphis assassinate Martin. The messenger who spoke with McCallister-- Martin-- was escorted into a side passageway, stabbed, and quickly disposed of utterly and completely. And Ephesos, it's okay for him to build a temple and dedicate it to the Order of Krell- it's just totally illegitimate. McCallister knows nothing of the Order of Krell, so all he basically said was "okay, build this structure if you want." -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
An RP in the World of Avernum Reloaded in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 11:29 Profile Homepage #275 An hour after the meeting, Lyonard walked into McCallister's chambers with a somber expression. "Ah, Lyonard, um... What's your title?" "Who cares? I don't even know yours. Anyway--" "I'm Director." "Very well, Director. And you may call me 'Guardian.' I have grave news for you." "Guardian," Lyonard thought to himself. "I'm starting to sound as naïve as the Director." "What?" "Well, one of the Hunter rebels whom Martin fought against--" "You mean, Saint Martin." "Yes, Saint Martin. At any rate, he has been slain. Regretfully. It is a tragedy. Now, if you'll excuse me, Dire--" "Inside of the city walls?" "No. We would never allow such a brutal act to occur within our jurisdiction. At any rate, with your permission." Lyonard briskly walked out of the room. "That's one more favor I owe Malphis. It will be that much more regrettable when I have to distance myself from him and his ilk. Now, to reel back in this ragtag splinter group. Step 1 will be killing off their 'Saints.' After that, McCallister can sweet-talk them back into line. Heck, if I'm lucky, maybe I can blame their deaths on the Guild agents in my military. If Malphis can get them to admit that much, assuming he finds them, it will be priceless to my organization." ---- Delan. A messenger in green robes walks into the city. "Dear citizens of Delan! The Hunters have fallen, and I come representing the peaceful Order of Krell, come to liberate you from-- AUGH! Oh, the agony--" A second swipe from a guardsman's blade instantly fell the messenger and his corpse was tossed into the water. (OOC: The Hunters' cities will not hear anything about the Hunters' having fallen. Your messengers don't stand a bat's chance in hell of being listened to, especially if they're part of this religious "Bright Star" stuff that your men slew without mercy only a few weeks ago.) [ Sunday, April 09, 2006 11:32: Message edited by: Butt Paladin ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum RP Summaries in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 08:29 Profile Homepage #18 Expect this post to become obsolete soon, but simply for posterity: "Faction": The Alliance of Science and Education (ASE) Characters: "Citizen" McCallister: McCallister is a young, vibrant and strong-willed ex-Sergeant of the Hunters, and was a Sergeant of the Imperial Army before that. He is a competent tactician who helped deal significant damage to the invaders during the "Battle of Krizsan." He honestly believes that he has power, when in actuality he has next-to-none, but is quite popular. Currently has no title. "Citizen" Lyonard: The true leader of the "Alliance." Assassinated Tygra. Was a Commander of the Hunters and was a Major in the Imperial Army before that. Was the most competent commander in the field during the "Battle of Krizsan," almost forcing the pirates out of the harbor. He has no title either. "Citizen" Malphis: An ex-Imperial Interrogator. Paranoid. Has gained many enemies from his activities during the days of the Hunters. Is being used by Lyonard to expose members of the Guild still in the corps in order to guarantee political autonomy. Contacts: The only faction that knows of the ASE is the Guild, but the Guild has no idea how the leadership is arranged or what the faction's intentions are. All other factions either never knew the Hunters in the first place, think that the Hunters are still intact or know that the Hunters are in turmoil but do not know their current status. The ASE also has "contact" with the Guild by trying to rid themselves of Guild members. Sphere of Influence: This faction currently exists only in Krizsan, and despite having most of Krizsan's military, it still has no real presence beyond Krizsan's city walls, indicated by some of the (very few) pro-Hunters rebels gathering immediately outside of the city itself. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Final Spire - Beta call in Blades of Exile
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 07:55 Profile Homepage #2 (You may want to re-post that in the link Bain has provided.) -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
SW-Arena Synopsis in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 07:52 Profile Homepage #0 Okay. I haven't been keeping track of Pralgad much, and I suspect that most people (until recently) have not been keeping track of Valorim. And heck- who knows anymore what's going on in Avernum? So if you wouldn't mind, post in the most concrete terms what status your faction is at: (And unlike the "faction roster," this is for people who already know who you are but have gotten lost) The Guild The Guild has anonymously used its pirates to attack Krizsan. It has destroyed their harbors. It has disseminated a cure for the Hunters' mind control via the water supply, eliminating Tygra's magical mind control. It currently has no stake in the Anama/Dominion conflict. The Alliance of Science and Education The ASE is a temporary name given to a new government headed by ex-Commander McCallister in name only. Lyonard has killed Tygra and allowed McCallister to take power, and is now gaining power behind the scenes, using anonymity to his advantage. Hunter rebels are outside of Krizsan, but the ASE has the support of the army. The cities and everything else outside of Krizsan support Tygra still (since they have no news of the attack other than the cities who know that it was happening), but the majority of the army is in Krizsan. The ASE has not contacted any factions yet. (I plan on handing this faction off to anyone who's interested.) -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Satanism in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 07:45 Profile Homepage #5 quote: Originally written by Snafta a.k.a. no chicken for sale: Satanism has 6 different forms, you can find them on the Wiki as well, and not all the forms worship Satan. That is, Satan known as the devil, as some sort of a god. Satan can also refer to a more abstract thing. So not every satanist worships Satan. Wow! A concept for worshipping the manifest destiny of the self; a metaphysic of mad money-grabbing! Keep in mind that the whole damned thing came out of the same time period that gave us liberalism. Who would have guessed? -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Abominable Photo Thread IV: A New Hope in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Sunday, April 9 2006 07:39 Profile Homepage #85 ...lips... -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
End Game in Avernum 4
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Saturday, April 8 2006 20:44 Profile Homepage #11 Go copulate with yourself. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
An RP in the World of Avernum Reloaded in General
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Saturday, April 8 2006 20:26 Profile Homepage #270 Krizsan. Lyonard was covering his face with his hand while idly kicking Tygra's still moist corpse as he listened to the speech above. Then, another one of the commanders walked into the office. "Ah, Citizen Lyonard. Good to see you." Lyonard chuckled. "Same to you, Citizen Malphis. So, how does it feel to be a part of the Alliance? The Alliance of, um, feel-good, enlightened magic-hating?" Malphis ceremoniously spat on Tygra and took a seat. "Well, at least this way, we have nothing to lose-- after all, we have no real magi." "True. My only problem is, I think Magister McCallister actually believes what he's saying." "Well, I guess he'll be happy to hear that the Hunter remnants gathering support outside of the city contain most of the magi remaining." "My only other concern is that the Dominion might take McCallister's claims seriously. Someone will have to tell them..." Malphis got up, tossing the chair aside, and kicked the wall. "Is that why you called me here?" Lyonard sneered. "No, 'Citizen' Malphis. I have a different task for you, one more suited to your abilities." Malphis glared at Lyonard, sizing him up. "Your mission, friend, is to find all of the Guild agents in the Hunters' army. If Rubicante wants to make himself a pro-Guild organization with his fingers in the pies, he'll want to have his agents ingratiate themselves with higher-up officers. Superior performance in combat, brown-nosing, towing the political platform, that sort of thing." "So, you're saying...?" "I'm saying that you were, up until the revolution, an Imperial Interrogator. Fear is your weapon-- and that, to be blunt, is why I don't want you anywhere near foreign delgates. But you will be my scalpel." Malphis pounts his fists together and grits his teeth. "I'll do your dirty work for you, 'Citizen...' but you must promise me this: I have made enemies among the officers for the things I did in Tygra's name. Furthermore, Tygra paid me handsomely for keeping many 'Citizens' in line." Lyonard nods. "Yes, yes. I'm well aware of this. And if you continue to work for me, I will guarantee you pay and safety. Don't worry; I know who your enemies are, and I already have them being watched." Malphis nodded and left the room. "'And I already have them being watched?' Malphis actually believed me. One thing I've figured out about interrogators is that they're never actually stoic; it's a myth they put up to trick their victims. Truthfully, they know the depths of fear that they cause. Malphis will be useful to me for as long as his paranoia continues. And if he suspects anything, he can be executed publically for political capital. I see no losses here. Also, McCallister's 'manifesto' will make it that much easier to court the Order of Krell, allowing us to begin building a Navy. We may have to steal mercantile vessels to organize the most basic of defenses, but it should be relatively simple to justify, given the aggressiveness of the pirates as of late." -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00

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