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Erotic or offensive art question in General
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As to Ekanda (the mystery woman).

Devlish made the following solution by editing slightly:
http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/Ekanda1.jpg

Myself I've made the following solution by cutting off the bottom:
http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/Ekanda2.jpg

Let me know what you think please.

Alex -> Either your browser settings are off, or quit using Lynx.

BrTarolg -> I agree, it is not intended for children under 13 anyways.
But for people aged 16 or so, their parents may object. And for any age, the
players themselves may object. While it is true that most players probably
would not, there's no real reason to offend the minority group.

Zanyman -> some other images are available in the thread
http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001243
I'm not sure if I understand your meaning, you're probably telling me that
portrayal of sexual acts would offend people? I agree, and there are no such
pictures in the game.

Hykoda -> Which other pictures do you mean, exactly? I'd like to remove
the worst offenders.

ADOS -> You're referring to the numbering in the other thread I believe?
The first one is the two gladiators fighting... I know I'm European but I
honestly don't see any nudity in that one.

Now that you mention it the blue fairy does seem to have a wrong perspective
in her left arm. But I can't do much about that.

Ready Man -> Haven't heard of that incident. But background pictures are
seen far more often and therefore more likely to catch attention.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Fantasy art survey in General
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Member # 409
Profile Homepage #9
Everybody seems to like the mystery woman (called Ekanda) except that she's
pushing things a bit. I've cut the graphic off roughly at the navel, I
believe that makes it more acceptable, what do you think?

#2 will be dropped and replaced.
#6 is under consideration since it could really use a background instead of
just smoke.

Omelette -> Yes, #1 is trimmed and cropped a bit. It does show but not to a
point where it really bothers me.

Imban -> Apologies for my lack of knowledge of slang IMAGE(Fantasy art survey_files/smile.gif) anyway if a picture
'owns' I assume that is a good thing?
#7 is, well, evil. That's the whole point IMAGE(Fantasy art survey_files/smile.gif) I do not believe it tasteless
but that's my opinion, any thoughts? After all she is cutting herself.

Thanks everybody for your feedback! Here are some more potential images.

Menu screens:
11.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/spellbound.html
12.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/calling.html
13.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/fallenangel.html
14.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/kaug.html
15.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce59.shtml
16.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce32.shtml
17.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce14.shtml
18.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce19.shtml

Characters:
19.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/femcentaur.html
20.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/swanprincess.html
21.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce36.shtml

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #56
Khoth -> exactly.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #50
That might work, but it would not be fair to the artist if I modified their
work (not to mention illegal, and also there's the fact that I'm a rather poor
artist myself so would probably bungle it). Best I can do is cut off the bottom
third or so, that would make it less offensive I'm sure.

By the way I've posted some images in this topic
http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001243
so that people can see if they're offensive and/or poor quality.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Hurricane Isabel in General
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I thought this was about a certain hurricane?

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_87.html

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Fantasy art survey in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
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Hi there,

It has come to my attention that there are some problems with various art
pieces for the game Leylines.
(for more information read these threads:)
http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001236

http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001203


(edit: oops!!! fixed the urls I screwed up)
(edit again: what the flip? it replaces slash url by slash ur space l ???)
(ah, that's better)

Anyway. I'll post a bunch of links to fantasy pictures here that were inteded
to be used in the game. I would appreciate your feedback on this; if you think
any image is inappropriate, offensive, tasteless or just plain low quality,
please tell me. Please use the numbering for easy reference.

I cannot promise that I can actually alleviate the problem as my access to art
is limited, but I'll try. Please do NOT post suggestions for alternate
artwork, as there is usually strict copyright involved and I cannot just
use roughly 95% of the art found on the internet.
Thank you for your time.

(edit) Those new to this topic, please realize there are more images
noted below in my other posts. Thank you. (/edit)

Menu screens:
1.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=12307&Start=97&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
2.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=6500&version=1
3.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=22518&Start=85&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
4.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=67987&Start=61&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes

Heroes and wizards:
5.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1013&version=1
6.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=20824&Start=85&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
7.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1008&version=1
8.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1210&version=1
9.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=65425&Start=61&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
10.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=118123&Start=37&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes

(there are more but let's start with ten).

[ Wednesday, October 01, 2003 01:38: Message edited by: Radiant ]

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
Master Jeweller
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Once again thanks for the feedback.

I think it would be best to remove the first picture (or maybe cut off the lower
parts or something). I believe it would be best to not offend people (such as
concerned parents). I agree that (near-) nudity sells, but if I were to go
that way I'd put in a lot more and start with the title screen instead of a
hero picture that first-time players are unlikely to see.

The second one concerns less people but it is considered low-quality by
most. Which is also a reason to remove it. I'm afraid there will be some
low-quality art in the game considering I'm working on a zero budget here.
Would it be a good idea if I post some more art here and let people comment
as to its quality? If at least the worst pictures could be replaced that would
help a lot. Just don't go suggesting I hire Don Lawrence or anything IMAGE(Erotic or offensive art question (2)_files/smile.gif)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #53
As most of you probably know, the equation
X^2 + Y^2 = R
represents a circle.
Can you think of a variation of this formula that represents a square?

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #50
I read a set of similar questions once, where the given sequence was along
the lines of
1, 2, 3, 4, 5
and the next number was not 6 for whatever reason. Some of them were
quite ingenious.
But of course Khoth's answer would work as well. I'm in favor of 42.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines once more in General
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My co-designer and balance tester replies the following (to Omlette's post)

1.This is actually bad for balance; it means a monastery either yields 30
research per turn (stacking six priests in there) or nothing (if you don't bother
making priests). Six priests aren't too easy to kill for your enemies, either.
This actually would decrease variety in the game.

2) You have point, this is not very clear at all times. However this is
intentional; a ruler doesn't have all data neatly quantified. Also showing
it means people will start checking their cities every turn to see if they're
being ghosted. (a ghost is a special unit that decreases happiness in
nearby cities).

3) Again, bad for balance. If I happen to have a Leyline nearby, then all
my spells become more powerful. Actually 7 mana is worth quite a lot.

4) Story events are nice. Items are a bit doubtful. If they just boost a
single unit, they're basically the same as an enchantment (Might of Giants,
for instance). If they're only boosting heroes (like in most games), then
they're boosting something that can already boost itself to a very high power
level.

5) I disagree. It takes fifty turns for a unit to become rank-two by doing
nothing (which implies training, of course).
Of course putting a Castle or Arena Arcana in your cities helps.
However adding skills at higher levels sounds like fun.
(Radiant: Okay, most units now gain an additional skill at rank three).

However thanks for the suggestions.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
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Okay, thanks everybody for your reply. I don't think the game will be played
by anyone aged twelve or below because of its complexity. And most people
don't seem to mind.

Troubled queen -> There are a dozen different images you can pick for your own
wizard, and roughly half of these are male. (the reason I say roughly is
that one of them is a skeleton. How's that for nudity, bare to the bones! IMAGE(Erotic or offensive art question (2)_files/smile.gif) )

BrTarolg -> Well, Civ was a source of inspiration. However there are many new
things in Leylines such as the variety of spells and units such as the
ballistae.

Omlette & Arancaytar -> Now that you mention it the faerie from the Target
screen is naked. Actually one of the wizard pics is rather revealing too.
I'll post the links here, please tell me what you think.

www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=107241&Start=49&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
64.198.60.83/baument/Galleria/unseen.htm

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines once more in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #19
Omlette -> Random scenarios will have random events (or you can switch them
off as the user if you don't like them; you can also switch off the random
resources).

However making more than three levels is something we discussed here, and we've
decided that it adds more complexity without actually adding many benefits.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #5
Unfortunately, (from their info page),

The images in my galleries are protected by international copyright law. By visiting my public gallery you are granted a personal liscense to download and use the images as wallpaper on your personal computer and to share a few of them with your friends and family through email.

No image in any of my galleries, hi-res or thumbnail, may be used in any way other than as personal wallpaper. You may print them out for personal use but not for distribution (commercial or non-profit).

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
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Omlette, you certainly have a point, but I wanted to get some more peoples'
opinions to see if something needs to be done.
(the reason being, good art is hard to find these days)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Erotic or offensive art question in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
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Hi there,

Something came up during beta-testing of Leylines (a strategy game written by
Crystal Shard). The question is whether some of the artwork used in the game
is really appropriate, or maybe that it could offend some people. I would
appreciate some people's feedback on this.

The image we're talking about is
http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~psimoons/lmagic.jpg

and it's basically an enchantress wearing a bikini (no it's not made of
chainmail).

Edit: two more images have come into the discussion, these are
www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=107241&Start=49&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes
64.198.60.83/baument/Galleria/unseen.htm
And are slightly worse. Tell me what you think please.

[ Monday, September 22, 2003 01:37: Message edited by: Radiant ]

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines once more in General
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Omlette ->
Well, okay, the enchantress does have a certain lack of clothing. But I didn't
find that picture particularly erotic or offensive. But then that's me (and
I'm Dutch). So I'll ask around what people think.

1) true, that would be more logical. However it would be a bit annoying
for the players. The reasoning behind the current setup is, that there are
miners in a mine and scholars in a monastery, you just have to establish your
presence there so they actually work for you.
(it used to be just militant units to establish your presence but that,
too, proved annoying for some testers; also it's unbalancing as the elves
lack low-tech militant units).

2) Happiness goes up when 1) you throw a festival, 2) you win a battle near
the city, and 3) you complete a building (oh, and 4) the peace monoliths)
I'll add that to the FAQ. Happiness goes down otherwise, and moreso if
you have too many militant units nearby or you levy a lot. In general
happiness slowly erodes and you have to make an active effort to raise it.
In small cities you can just as easily hold festivals, that would work
in keeping them happy. However I agree that really small cities shouldn't desert
you too easily.

3) that was clear, however see (1) for the problems with camping
apprentices on a Leyline. They could make spells more powerful - however for
some spells that doesn't really make sense (although I could give a
skeleton more hitpoints or anything). Hm, i'll think about it, power
levels would be nice actually.

4) This can sort of be done with the scripting language. Which still needs
to be simplified, I know. Items where dropped from the to-do list as they are
too complex for what they're worth (and tend to degenerate balance in most
games).

5) I guess I could go up to five levels (even if it's hard to think of cool
names at higher levels). But level-three units are really powerful already.

MW -> True. But if you stick a skel on there, the resource is easily captured
by an enemy. If you want more units on there, you may want to build a fortress
to decrease the upkeep.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines once more in General
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Omlette -> Buts noted, thanks.
Vortices produce more mana than Void.
The terrain needs to scroll anyway in low-resolution mode so the scrolling
option exists :/
I'll think of something for the scripting language.

And I'm not sure what scantily-clad females you're referring to, but have
you checked the screenshots?
www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/lshots.htm

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #39
Omlette -> Yes, if you count the trivial solution of " the n-th element in
the ordered set { 1, 2, 5, 8, 12, 9, 2 ... } "

The trick is usually to find a specific solution. Which can lead to such
boring puzzles as 3, 3, 5, 4, 4, 3, 5, ...
(along the same lines of 'there are three words in english that end in -gry')

Khoth -> You have an interesting way of selecting X and Y coordinates.
Anyway you seem to be correct but only if your ladder is of zero thickness.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #33
Well done Drakey!
(now did you figure that out or did you know it from somewhere else)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines once more in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
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Okay that took slightly longer than expected because of a faulty floppy drive.

Anyway. Beta 0.21 is now online which is basically the same as 0.20 but it
shouldn't crash any more (but feel free to doublecheck this).

http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/ley_inst.exe

(note that the linux version has not yet been updated)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
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1
11
21
1211
111221
312211
13112221
1113213211
31131211131221
etc

And Khoth is roughly correct on the previous one; I believe the exact point
is that you can't derive the thing I wrote since it's not a continuous
function.
(it looks even better with sigma-notation but I can't seem to do that on
the msg board)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
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And by the way it is a mathematical fact that 0 = 1 for very large values of 0.
IMAGE(Spiderweb Software Boards Pratchettian Mathematics_files/tongue.gif)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
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Okay, how about this one.

X squared equals X + X + X + X ...
(for a total of X terms).
(for instance 5 squared = 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5)

If we take the derivative over X on both sides.
X^2 derived = 2 X
X derived = 1

So we get the equation
2 X = 1 + 1 + 1 + ...
(for a total of X terms)
Therefore it is proven that 2 X = X for any X
In other words 1 = 2.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Pratchettian Mathematics in General
Master Jeweller
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By the way while we're into strange mathematics.

X = X (obvious truth)

X^2 = X^2 (slight modification of obvious truth)

X^2 - X^2 = X^2 - X^2 (another slight modification)

Now we know that we can simplify the above in different ways.
In particular, A^2 - B^2 = (A + B) * (A - B) gives the right part.

X (X - X) = (X + X) (X - X)

Simplification gives

X = X + X

or,
1 = 2

Q.E.D.

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Now that you mention it, yes it was five. But not pizza. I'll look it up...

Ah here we go.

Libraries, nature of.

Even big collections of ordinary books distort space and time, as can readily be proved by anyone who has been around a really old-fashioned second-hand bookshop, one of those that has more staircases than storeys and those rows of shelves that end in little doors that are surely too small for a full sized human to enter.

The relevant equation is Knowledge = Power = Energy = Matter = Mass; a good bookshop is just a genteel Black Hole that knows how to read. Mass distorts space into polyfractal L-space, in which Everywhere is also Everywhere Else.

All libraries are connected in L-space by the bookwormholes created by the strong space-time distortions found in any large collection of books. Only a very few librarians learn the secret, and there are inflexible rules about making use of the fact - because it amounts to time travel.

The three rules of the Librarians of Time and Space are: (1) Silence; (2) Books must be returned no later than the last date shown, and (3) the nature of causality must not be interfered with.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00

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