Erotic or offensive art question

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Radiant Master Jeweller Member # 409	written Thursday, September 18 2003 03:48 Profile Homepage #0 Hi there, Something came up during beta-testing of Leylines (a strategy game written by Crystal Shard). The question is whether some of the artwork used in the game is really appropriate, or maybe that it could offend some people. I would appreciate some people's feedback on this. The image we're talking about is http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~psimoons/lmagic.jpg and it's basically an enchantress wearing a bikini (no it's not made of chainmail). Edit: two more images have come into the discussion, these are www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=107241&Start=49&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes 64.198.60.83/baument/Galleria/unseen.htm And are slightly worse. Tell me what you think please. [ Monday, September 22, 2003 01:37: Message edited by: Radiant ] -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 \| Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Sebald Lifecrafter Member # 3310	written Thursday, September 18 2003 03:54 Profile #1 Well, I´ve seen worse. Posts: 756 \| Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00
Omlette Shaper Member # 517	written Thursday, September 18 2003 04:06 Profile #2 Sorry, this is me doing the whingeing. I'm simply of the opinion that this image, and a couple of others like it, add nothing to the game while making it potentially offensive. -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00
Radiant Master Jeweller Member # 409	written Thursday, September 18 2003 04:36 Profile Homepage #3 Omlette, you certainly have a point, but I wanted to get some more peoples' opinions to see if something needs to be done. (the reason being, good art is hard to find these days) -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 \| Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Thursday, September 18 2003 04:51 Profile Homepage #4 If the owner of the site will allow you, check http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/ , it has some absolutely stunning magi casting spells images. -------------------- We're all amazed but not amused By all the things that you said you'd do. You're much concerned but not involved by Decisions that are made by you But we are sick and tired of hearing your song, Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong, 'Cause if you really want to hear our views, You haven't done nothin'. Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Radiant Master Jeweller Member # 409	written Thursday, September 18 2003 05:03 Profile Homepage #5 Unfortunately, (from their info page), The images in my galleries are protected by international copyright law. By visiting my public gallery you are granted a personal liscense to download and use the images as wallpaper on your personal computer and to share a few of them with your friends and family through email. No image in any of my galleries, hi-res or thumbnail, may be used in any way other than as personal wallpaper. You may print them out for personal use but not for distribution (commercial or non-profit). -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 \| Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Sir Motrax of Exile Senile Reptile Member # 547	written Thursday, September 18 2003 05:17 Profile #6 I've got no problem with the picture. But it really depends on who you want to market the game to. PG-13 movies have much more revealing scenes. If it's just teenagers and older who buy the game, there shouldn't be any problem at all. Or you could just slap a clunky disclaimer on somewhere. -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1614 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 23 2002 08:00
Morgan Shaper Member # 22	written Thursday, September 18 2003 05:36 Profile #7 I don't think that's offensive in any way. It doesn't appear in a sexual way - and people who find it sexually offensive, well, that's there problem for reading too much into it. -------------------- KazeArctica: "Imagine...wangs everywhere...and tentacles. Nothing but wangs and tentacles! And no pants!" Posts: 2862 \| Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
ef Guardian Member # 2476	written Thursday, September 18 2003 06:14 Profile #8 Why do you think the image offensive, Omlette? It can be seen as a woman enjoying her power. Does she have to be unattractive to be permitted to do that? -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1828 \| Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, September 18 2003 07:07 Profile Homepage #9 There're not any breasts or other, well, offensive, stuff there as far as I can see. Besides the picture is rather pixxelated (that might be just an effect of the screenshot, dunno what the original quality is). I have seen worse even in games not marked PG or anything. Compared to what other people see when they picture a sorceress casting a spell, this is actually rather tame. [ Thursday, September 18, 2003 07:09: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
qwd BANNED Member # 3121	written Thursday, September 18 2003 07:27 Profile Homepage #10 Yeah, nothing offensive with the pic(s). -------------------- - WITH LOVE, THE OL' RELIABLE BOYLOVE, TO BE EXACT Posts: 761 \| Registered: Thursday, June 19 2003 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, September 18 2003 08:08 Profile Homepage #11 I don't think it's offensive, but I can see how others would be offended by it. On the other hand, it's tamer than what you can find in many fantasy games now. Unless you can find other art and you're very worried about that small group, you can leave the image in. —Alorael, who would like everyone to take a moment to look at the boxes for EverQuest, Neverwinter Nights, and a number of other major fantasy games. See what they have in common. Then consider how well they sell and decide where the demographics are. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
OmegaMan Apprentice Member # 2421	written Thursday, September 18 2003 08:10 Profile #12 I have seen worse on primetime tv never mind other pc games Posts: 11 \| Registered: Sunday, December 29 2002 08:00
Princess Ruth Agent Member # 366	written Thursday, September 18 2003 08:13 Profile #13 I don't see the problem. One of the Exile characters looks just like that. -------------------- I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say let's evolve. Let the chips fall where they may. Posts: 1277 \| Registered: Sunday, December 9 2001 08:00
Khoth Post Navel Trauma ^_^ Member # 67	written Thursday, September 18 2003 08:33 Profile Homepage #14 I'm not offended, but then I wouldn't be offended if she wasn't wearing the bikini, so I'm probably not too good a judge. -------------------- Grammar wenches beware: This is the house that the malt that the rat that the cat that the dog that the cow that the maiden that the man that the priest that the cock that the farmer kept waked married kissed milked tossed worried killed ate lay in. My Website desperance.net - Leave your sanity at the door Posts: 1798 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
X Shaper Member # 496	written Thursday, September 18 2003 09:44 Profile #15 If anything, I suspect the pic will add to the game. Since Xena, the radfems are pro these images, not anti. Posts: 2333 \| Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00
The Almighty Doer of Stuff Shaper Member # 73	written Thursday, September 18 2003 09:54 Profile #16 Uh, I don't remember a character in Exile who looked like that, although Luz made a BoE graphic like it. But there is graphic number 1802 in A3 (don't know about the other Avernums), which is just as revealing. I say leave it. -------------------- My BoE graphics archive is finally getting started! Yay! I hope you like my graphics.My BoE Graphics An absurdly fun Flash game- Refridgerator Raid! --------- The Lyceum- A board for BoE. Yes it is. Really. Stop staring at me! Stop it, I say! Oh, sorry... Posts: 2957 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Omlette Shaper Member # 517	written Thursday, September 18 2003 11:45 Profile #17 It seems I'm massively outnumbered, so I'll concede the point. I had some kind of logical argument as to why they added nothing to the game, but it seems that for the majority of people, they do, so I'll just leave it. I still object to the picture on the sidepanel for building cities in the map-editor, because the woman in that one is actually naked. -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, September 18 2003 12:19 Profile Homepage #18 I get the idea. Omlette complained about several pictures, and Radiant posted the tamest one of them. (No offense to you, Radiant, I'd do the same; it's unconscious.) So what are the other pictures like? -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Omlette Shaper Member # 517	written Thursday, September 18 2003 12:25 Profile #19 Not at all. Radiant had some screenshots from the game already online, one of which was also one of the ones I was complaining about. He wasn't being Machiavellian, particularly as I hadn't bothered to mention exactly which ones I objected to. The reason I complained about it was the sidepanel one I mentioned; I don't have a place to upload to or anything, so I pointed out that other one. -E- [ Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:29: Message edited by: Omlette ] -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, September 18 2003 12:29 Profile Homepage #20 I wasn't saying he was being Machiavellian. Only if there are worse pictures than this one, this one is hardly suitable to judge the rest. Bring them out! -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Commodore Mango Agent Member # 1169	written Thursday, September 18 2003 13:00 Profile #21 I don't know that you'll find all too many people here that have a huge problem with it, inasmuch as most of us have played Avernum, and the graphics in that--I mean, look at that one character graphic of the anatomically impossible woman in the shoelace-sized leather bikini and fur-topped boots. Speaking as a woman, I wasn't offended by the mage-in-bikini graphic (though it didn't seem very...magicky, for lack of a better word--then again, I know nothing about the game). I was mildly offended by the Avernum graphic, but this one didn't strike me as offensive. -------------------- "Man hands down misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, and don't have any kids yourself."--Philip Larkin, "This Be the Verse" Fear the wrath of the Grammar Wench, lest ye be cut down by the Glistening Scythe. Posts: 1150 \| Registered: Friday, May 17 2002 07:00
stranger Agent Member # 1558	written Thursday, September 18 2003 14:21 Profile #22 I have no problem with it. I'm more concerned for the men who get aroused by computer drawings. -------------------- I'm tired of the strain and the pain, ohhh, I'm tired of the strain and the pain. Lair of Blades Wise Forums Desperance Polaris Bash Posts: 1112 \| Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Thursday, September 18 2003 14:37 Profile Homepage #23 quote: Originally written by Commodore Mango: I don't know that you'll find all too many people here that have a huge problem with it, inasmuch as most of us have played Avernum, and the graphics in that--I mean, look at that one character graphic of the anatomically impossible woman in the shoelace-sized leather bikini and fur-topped boots. Speaking as a woman, I wasn't offended by the mage-in-bikini graphic (though it didn't seem very...magicky, for lack of a better word--then again, I know nothing about the game). I was mildly offended by the Avernum graphic, but this one didn't strike me as offensive. You were mildly offended by the Avernum one? Yeah, I was too. She should have had nothing on. Nothing adds to the plot of a game more than naked women hurling about huge, phallic objects. -------------------- We're all amazed but not amused By all the things that you said you'd do. You're much concerned but not involved by Decisions that are made by you But we are sick and tired of hearing your song, Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong, 'Cause if you really want to hear our views, You haven't done nothin'. Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Bob 2000 Apprentice Member # 3458	written Thursday, September 18 2003 14:52 Profile #24 i dont really see a problem with that picture i must say i have seen much worse -------------------- Call me the NECROMANCER! -Bob 2000 Posts: 12 \| Registered: Sunday, September 14 2003 07:00