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microsoft XP OS in Tech Support
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The good point about shareware (i.e. all games found here) is that you
can download and play them /before/ paying anything. (of course you
need to pay to get the full game, but you'll see that it works long before
that).

Many games do not 'officially' support XP because microsoft says that XP
is not 'officially' compatible with certain older graphics and sound
systems. However in practice it works fine 99% of the time. And if it does
not, try checking microsoft.com for patches.

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Pieter Simoons, aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
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Darn. Hm. Any other suggestions?

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #46
Varelse -> We've found out the main reason for slowdown under Linux.
Leylines runs in 16-bit mode. Most people run X in 24-bit mode.
There you go. So a temporary workaround for you would be to reboot X
in 16-bit; we're making a 24-bit version of Leylines for in the
future.

Shangri-La: Yes; I'll put it online some time this week.
The funny thing about PNG is that it's basically the same as GIF
(i.e. linear bitmap with Huffman-type compression) only it
supports more than 256 colors and has no legal trouble. BMP is actually
exactly the same but without the Huffman (and RLE doesn't count).

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #44
Shangri-La -> I believe you originally complained that you couldn't do
anything else than BMP, then I told you that BMP was in fact all right.
Anyway BMP works fine so I have no real reasons to switch to anything else
at the moment.

Varelse -> oops. I didn't put a new build on line yet. I'll do that soon,
I promise. I'm not usre what a super-l-x is, but I assume you mean window
switching? I think in Linux the game is best run on 800x600 mode (i.e.
turn hi-res off).
We'll give gprof a try though, and thanks for the suggestions.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Blades of Avernum Graphics Database in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #19
Actually JPEG may not change the picture in a visible way (that's
the whole point) but it will change it anyway. Try subtracting the
original pixel values everywhere, and you won't get pure black any more.

A graphics convertor? I use kodak photo editor myself. But at jpeg.org
you can download the sourcecode to a JPEG decoder, and it also has
a program that converts several types of image to one another.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #41
Actually older (i.e. most) versions of MS paint will only work with
.BMP files; I believe the chance was introduced in win xp somewhere.
But that's beside the point as BMP files are precisely what I need
for the leylines graphics. Because GIF lacks color depth and JPEG
is not lossless.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #38
Varelse -> We just spent some time working on the Linux port. Probably
most of your problems should be fixed by now. However,

1.We can switch virtual terminals here with no problems; probalby the
problem is in your system setup. By the way you could run Xwindows twice
and run Leylines in one and your other programs in another.

9.We now optimize for pentium-pro but that doesn't make a noticeable
difference in speed. -O3 does, a bit. If you have other performance ideas
please tell us. I could mail you the makefile if that helps.
We've decided that HW surfaces probably aren't worth it. They don't seem
to increase speed much; however we tested it on a computer where HW
doesn't support transparency, and that causes horrible drops IMAGE(The Leylines Beta Version (2)_files/frown.gif)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Blades of Avernum Graphics Database in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #12
It is in general a bad idea to use JPEG whenever dealing with sprites
(as opposed to backgrounds). This is because JPEG is NOT a lossless
format (That's why it manages a to hit a 90% compression rate
regularly). Which means that the sharp edges of your sprite will start
to look fuzzy in JPEG (and editing them in JPEG format makes it worse).
Try GIF. Or just ZIP'ing a BMP file.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #37
I suppose I could raid the BoA graphics database and ask people if
I can use those graphics. Point is I need over sixty different ones,
and the BoE graphics database is a lot larger. But suggestions are
welcome, I was unaware that a simple method existed of converting
2d graphics to isometrics. I still won't add animation because of
time/space constraints though.
(and I'm a lousy paint artist myself anyway)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #34
Shangri-La -> First, what isometric guys?
Second, no - unless you can find me some useful images. (and by some I
mean fifty different images times six directions times at least four
and probably eight frames; if you do the math you'll see it's not
really feasible)

I am considering unit voices, though (a la Warcraft)

Varelse -> I was under the impression that DGA required root. Apparently
I was wrong there. The next version will support that.

(edit:) My Linux programmer assures me that DGA does require root access.
Or is this system-dependent? Please explain.

[ Thursday, July 10, 2003 23:34: Message edited by: Radiant ]

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Run for your life, it's a poll! in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #2
It's even worse, I have lots of passwords and most of them I know
(those that I don't aren't that important and are in a textfile somewhere)

And I prefer m00se, thank you.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #31
Varelse -> About your Linux suggestions...
a window mode option would be easy to add.
We're surprised that console switching doesn't work on your machine
as it works fine around here. Maybe that would also be fixed by using
a windowed mode.

5-7: we'll mention that, thanks.
8. The problem with hardware surfaces (afaik) is that using them requires
root access. Which not everybody has. But we could probably add an option
for that, too. And yes, it is double-buffered.

Turtlewhipper -> Building fortresses in a city will not be possible
in future versions. And you can't build multiples, but I guess
you could waste engineers' time by having them build simultaneously
(I'll see if i can remove that, too).

Omlette -> I couldn't download RMK2, all their liniks are down. Anyway
I'll see what I can do to simplify things, also I believe that giving a
bunch of sample scripts would probably help IMAGE(The Leylines Beta Version (2)_files/smile.gif)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #28
1. Thanks

2. No

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Beta Testing? in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #3
Arna -> Omelette is correct about Leylines (which, by the way,
is a strategy game).
SubTerra II doesn't require beta testers, instead I'm looking for level
designers. If you want to join in there you would have to convince me
somehow that you're a capable puzzle designer; the most obvious way
to do that would be to send me some samples, preferably from SubTerra 1,
Supaplex, Sapphire Yours, Chips Challenge and/or Diamond Caves II.

(by the way my e-mail is psimoons@liacs.nl )

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Hello. Have a few questions in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #7
1. I don't fully understand you but I believe that BoA will have
similar restrictions as BoE (assuming you mean legal ones; obviously
it will allow for larger worlds etc).

2. There are tons of graphics available on the web; try google, or
see question 3.

3. Actually quite a lot of RPG makers exist (I assume that was what
you meant). And many come with free-ish graphics that could be converted
to Bo*. Try this link.
http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=game+maker&ei=UTF-8

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #26
Ydna -> 1. noted (and fixed)
2. oops?!?! I'll check this asap!
3. true
4. Not really, not even with a ballista. Plan ahead!
5. Hm... if it is the same name, then it should save directly. If not,
it should prompt.
6. Noted
7. I'll check that.
8. Wizards can actually hit the ships with their lightning bolts.
I do believe galleons are too strong, but there will be other ships.

Omlette -> Yes, please send me the save. I'm assuming you have
Queues enabled? Turning them off will evade this bug for now.
2. Also weird, do you have a save?
Objection: There are two ranks, front and back. Clickin on a unit
will change it from front rank to back, or back to front. Easy, no?
Score: I think it is, yes!

Varelse ->
Noted. I'll discuss it with the linux porting dude. Thanks for
the suggestions, I have little experience optimizing for linux
myself!

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Fun Games in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #34
Well done Imban!
An interesting detail is that in U6 you can learn this spell from the
wisps, who tell you that it is a relatively weak spell since it only
affects a single dimension...

I also fondly recall the Timestop and Eclipse spells from U6, and some
pointless but fun spells like Vanish / Reappear, and some weird thingies
like Serpent Bond from U7.5, and the hidden spell from U5 that turns your
opponents into rats... (RXB)

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Site To Create Games in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #3
http://users.rpginfinity.com/profile/538/
http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/markov/gmaker/
http://www.rtsoft.com/dink/

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #21
Dacovind -> no, the window is not randomly placed.
It does cover 'smithy' when running in low resolution (800x600)
but that's not important for the tutorial.

Research bug noted.

Omlette -> noted.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #17
333 MHz is a bit low-end so that would explain the game running slower
on your computer. A difference is that AoW stores all data as BMPs (or
libraries thereof) and Leylines uses JPEG compression. Which is
slower to load, and more so on slower computers.

You can't get workers in some captured cities. This is intentional,
but will be explained better in the future.

If the magnetic edges are so annoying I'll see what I can do about
them...

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Fun Games in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #22
Ultima!
I believe the entire Ultima series (or at least some eight parts
thereof) is available in a single package for very cheap, check
at origin or electronic arts store. In story-line, they're among
the best. And they have some funky spells that are seldom seen in
other rpgs (most notably VCBM IMAGE(Fun Games_files/smile.gif) )

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #14
Wow, twelve replies in one day! IMAGE(The Leylines Beta Version_files/smile.gif)

XYZ -> 1. Try turning 'details' off in the config panel from the main menu.
Also I'd like to know your system specs.
2.This is intentional and I haven't had any other complaints yet, I
wonder what other people think?
3.Oops
4.No it's not. The tutorial window reads 'OR click on the map in
the top-left corner' Try that.

Omelette -> Admittedly the script docs are somewhat lacking. What
do you mean by RMK2 and AoE2? I understand that those are games but
I haven't played them.
The scout bug is unfortunate. However by that point you should have
seen enough of the tutorial to try a scenario and play it.

Dacovind -> I haven't noticed the tutorial window hiding anything important.
It it does, what exactly? (and this may be a matter of low-res vs.
hi-res screens)
Gray or missing buttons are a matter of taste I guess.

Custer -> Yes, that's a bug.
However you can still play scenarios.

Order mage -> Yes.

XYZ -> The graphics are used with specific permission of their
authors. They're fantasy-based. D&D also happens to be fantasy-
based but the fantasy-genre predates D&D by some decades at least. You
might as well be calling every portrait you see in a museum a Rembrant-ripoff.
As a side point most good fantasy art and stories aren't even remotely
related to D&D; try Exalted, MERP, RuneQuest and GURPS for some other
fantasy RPGs, or good authors like Lackey, LeGuin, Vance and Zelazny.

Anyway. There certainly will be people who dislike any graphics.
And the current graphics (besides being a lot more atmospheric
than solid gray color; if you like that play NetHack!) are about
the best I can do for my budget (which is essentially zero). So
I will stick with them for now. If you check the screenshots you'll notice
there's lots more of them in the menus.
(and yes I would like isometric pics for the units; however anybody
who knows where to find them should give me a line)

For people interested in fantasy fanart check http://www.elfwood.com/ for
instance; Personally I think that the Leylines graphics are better
than most of the pictures on there. But that's imho.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines Teaser in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #17
Andraste -> no. But I have played Civ and Master of Magic; observant players
will notice the authors' names in the 'thank you' section of the credits.

Varelse -> It seems we have a taste in books in common.
As to your offer. Well, the game works under SDL so it /should/ be possible to
make a mac port with ease. Now if I can just get the admin here to give me
mac access...

Others -> Let's abort this topic, there's a new leylines-related topic
that's more relevant now, I guess.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
The Leylines Beta Version in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #0
Hi everybody,

it was a long weekend but I finally have what I consider worthy of a beta
version of Leylines. Available for download (windows and linux) on this site:
http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/leylines.html

For those who are new here, that's a turn-based fantasy strategy game.
And it's pretty cool if I may say so.

What is new... well, spells, fortresses, new combat system,
city lists and queues, a bunch of new skills and a ton of bugfixes. Oh,
and a tutorial, and other stuff, well take a look anyway.

But. Before the flood of messages starts, let me just tell you that some
things are missing. First, most graphics and sounds are as yet missing
to decrease download size for the beta (many testers appreciate that).
Second, a large amount of units and spells are as yet missing because we're
busy balancing them out. And that's just easier with a small group here
than with a large debate over the forums.

Since this is a beta version, if you play it you can be considered a
beta-tester. Which means that if you find any bugs, please mail them
to me so I can remove them. Also I would like opinions on the clear-
ness and ease-of-use of the interface and tutorial. If the tutorial
is in ANY way ambiguous or unclear, please tell me (as I want even the
biggest idiot to understand the tutotiral IMAGE(The Leylines Beta Version_files/smile.gif) )

Also I would like some opinions on the scripting system (hit map editor,
then 'script' and press F1 for help). It should be possible to write interesting
scenarios using this. Feel free to try. If you believe it needs more options
let me know. If you can do cool stuff with it let me know - making a map is
easy but making a script is so much more interesting IMAGE(The Leylines Beta Version_files/smile.gif)

Well that's it for now, comments welcome!

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00
Leylines Teaser in General
Master Jeweller
Member # 409
Profile Homepage #12
Maybe you're just trying weird stuff to find out what happens. But then
that's a very good attitude in a tester. I remember the kind of levels
Gerben47 used to make to see if SubTerra was working properly, and the
really obscure bugs he found when creating and destroying several
hundred objects per frame update (which is 1/256th of a second) :)

For instance there's a tutorial now that /should/ be proff against people
doing weird stuff. Feel free to double-check this. There'll probably
be the first beta on monday.

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Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt,
Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

Pieter Simoons aka Radiant

Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage
Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00

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