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Master Jeweller
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 02:15
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Hi there, It has come to my attention that there are some problems with various art pieces for the game Leylines. (for more information read these threads:) http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001236 http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001203 (edit: oops!!! fixed the urls I screwed up) (edit again: what the flip? it replaces slash url by slash ur space l ???) (ah, that's better) Anyway. I'll post a bunch of links to fantasy pictures here that were inteded to be used in the game. I would appreciate your feedback on this; if you think any image is inappropriate, offensive, tasteless or just plain low quality, please tell me. Please use the numbering for easy reference. I cannot promise that I can actually alleviate the problem as my access to art is limited, but I'll try. Please do NOT post suggestions for alternate artwork, as there is usually strict copyright involved and I cannot just use roughly 95% of the art found on the internet. Thank you for your time. (edit) Those new to this topic, please realize there are more images noted below in my other posts. Thank you. (/edit) Menu screens: 1.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=12307&Start=97&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes 2.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=6500&version=1 3.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=22518&Start=85&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes 4.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=67987&Start=61&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes Heroes and wizards: 5.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1013&version=1 6.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=20824&Start=85&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes 7.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1008&version=1 8.http://www.dacort.com/gallery_page.php?image_id=1210&version=1 9.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=65425&Start=61&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes 10.http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=118123&Start=37&Artist=Xurge&ByArtist=Yes (there are more but let's start with ten). [ Wednesday, October 01, 2003 01:38: Message edited by: Radiant ] -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 02:28
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2 is the only one which may be a problem to the overly sensitive. The rest are fine. -------------------- I'm tired of the strain and the pain, ohhh, I'm tired of the strain and the pain. Lair of Blades Wise Forums Desperance Polaris Bash Posts: 1112 | Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00 |
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One Thousand Slimy Things
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 08:03
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Those women on pic two are wearing so little that I wonder why they even bother. [ Wednesday, September 24, 2003 08:04: Message edited by: Chibidemon Wolf ] -------------------- KhothMk2: You don't get 72 virgin camels though Posts: 995 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 09:18
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The Mystery Woman is still the best, though No.9 has an expressive face and No.10 could be good, if the face was less insignificant. I understand your problem better now. It is difficult to find something that is vibrating and alive. No.9 comes closest in my opinion. -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 09:59
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No. 2 is pretty tasteless, and would almost definitely offend most parents. The rest are fine though. -------------------- My BoE graphics archive is finally getting started! Yay! I hope you like my graphics.My BoE Graphics An absurdly fun Flash game- Refridgerator Raid! --------- The Lyceum- A board for BoE. Yes it is. Really. Stop staring at me! Stop it, I say! Oh, sorry... Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 12:31
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#2 is not even appealing as art. I'd rather not have it in a game even if it wouldn't offend anyone. —Alorael, who doesn't have any other complains, besides the obscene loading time on some of those images. Many of them are very good, especially considering that they're free. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 13:19
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Point: You had a screenshot where 1 is used as a fullscreen background-since it is not the shape of the average monitor, maybe it could either be trimmed, or displayed in only the centre of the screen, or something? Other than that...well, I've made my opinions known on the women-wearing-next-to-nothing pictures. I really just don't see what they contribute to the game, and can guarantee that if my parents found me playing a game where one of those pictures pops up regularly, it wouldn't remain installed long...I don't know how many people this is true for, but certainly a not insignificant minority. I appreciate the fact that you may not be able to easily get hold of others, though... -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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Senile Reptile
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 15:04
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Indeed, #2 is pushing it much too far. I'm sure there are gazillions of other pictures showing hordes of less-scantily clad women ready for battle. Or, just any picture of a massed army would do, in my humble little opinion in this corner of the galaxy. -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1614 | Registered: Wednesday, January 23 2002 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Wednesday, September 24 2003 15:06
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#1 is okay. #2 seems lame to me, and it may offend some people. #3 owns. #4 is good. #5 owns. #6 is... okay. #7 is one that I personally dislike, for some odd reason. #8 is okay. #9 is good. #10 is good. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Master Jeweller
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written Thursday, September 25 2003 04:24
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Everybody seems to like the mystery woman (called Ekanda) except that she's pushing things a bit. I've cut the graphic off roughly at the navel, I believe that makes it more acceptable, what do you think? #2 will be dropped and replaced. #6 is under consideration since it could really use a background instead of just smoke. Omelette -> Yes, #1 is trimmed and cropped a bit. It does show but not to a point where it really bothers me. Imban -> Apologies for my lack of knowledge of slang  anyway if a picture'owns' I assume that is a good thing? #7 is, well, evil. That's the whole point I do not believe it tastelessbut that's my opinion, any thoughts? After all she is cutting herself. Thanks everybody for your feedback! Here are some more potential images. Menu screens: 11.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/spellbound.html 12.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/calling.html 13.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/fallenangel.html 14.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/kaug.html 15.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce59.shtml 16.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce32.shtml 17.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce14.shtml 18.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce19.shtml Characters: 19.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/femcentaur.html 20.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/swanprincess.html 21.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce36.shtml -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, September 25 2003 11:48
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I'd steer clear of 18. Real-world religious symbolism is not something you want in a fantasy game. Most people won't care, but some will be even more offended by a cross than by nudity. —Alorael, who doesn't like any of the three character pictures that much, although he doesn't hate them either. The other graphics are all good artistically, even 18. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, September 25 2003 12:09
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15-18 and 21 don't load for me. 11-14 are all cool, although I feel that maybe you could put something else on the main menu (currently 12, for people who don't know)...I feel a battle scene would be better, since magic, especially out-of-battle magic, is a relatively minor part of the game (unless the beta is a lot different from the actual game...). I like 20, but in 19 I think the b/w enlargement in the background detracts from the picture rather than adding to it (and is somewhat out of place if no other character has a similar background...) -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, September 25 2003 12:54
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From the menue screens it is 11) and 13) I like most. As a character I like 19). I find none objectionable, though Alorael may have a point. No.20/21 are a bit dull for a character, but on the whole I think them all ok. The best character you have is Mystery. Now if the fog that surrounds her could be drawn more into the lower part of the figure she would be less provocative. Do you think the author would permit that? [ Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:59: Message edited by: ef ] -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, September 26 2003 00:28
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I think a bit of editing with Mysterious (Mystery?) would work very well. I played with her a bit on photo brush. Used the rubber stamp feature to move a bit of a foggy haze. I would hate to see her cut the art is really nice on that one. I don't have a clue how to post it here so I'm emailing the edited version to Radiant. #2 was not so great. The rest are between okay and good. I don't think many will upset even the parents. Edit: Correct name for Mystery? [ Friday, September 26, 2003 00:47: Message edited by: devlish ] -------------------- Instant Human-Just add liberal doses of Coffee. Posts: 87 | Registered: Sunday, March 10 2002 08:00 |
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Master Jeweller
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written Friday, September 26 2003 06:56
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Alorael -> Interesting point. Originally the game was intended to have a fantasy-based pantheon where you could pick a god to worship and gain certain bonuses (god of war = attack bonus, god of nature = bigger cities, etc). This was dropped because we couldn't get it completed on any decent timescale. Unfortunately. The picture referred to was the background for that so it won't be used anyways. Omlette -> No, actually magic is a very important part of the game. There are over fifty different spells that can be used to enhance your units, cripple your opponents and mess with the map. In most good strategies we're casting spells all the time. Of course this isn't apparent in the current web-version and our internal version is still too buggy to put on the web. I agree with you on 19; I'm actually using only the right half of the picture inside the game so the grayish thing won't show. As to Ekanda (the mystery woman). Devlish made the following solution by editing slightly: http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/Ekanda1.jpg Myself I've made the following solution by cutting off the bottom: http://www.liacs.nl/~psimoons/Ekanda2.jpg Let me know what you think please. Thanks for everybody's input, I'll post the other half of the graphics next week. -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, September 26 2003 13:44
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Uh, I can't see any difference at all between Devlish's version and the origional. Granted my monitor is mucked up atm due to some rubbishy game changing my palette only when opened, or similar, but I can't see any difference at all. If there is some, it needs to be more changed...maybe completely obscuring the lower half of the image with mist, which wouldn't make it look any less artistic. The cropped image doesn't look right, I don't know why...I think it's the exact point it's cropped at, images with sides in whole-number proportions generally work better. (ie, square ones or ~2:1. Mind you, this is just my personal theory...) -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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Babelicious
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written Friday, September 26 2003 13:49
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There's something seriously, seriously wrong with you. Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, September 28 2003 15:05
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I used the mist to obscure most of the features that were showing below the bikini line such as a darkening to suggest pubic hair. I could 1/2 cover the gem like I have done with her lower anatomy but I think the gem is too much part of her outfit. (the rings, the gleam on the finger tips, etc) It was not a radical alteration. Just a way to tone it down a bit. Other than the breasts, I see teenage girls showing off almost as much flesh as this does from the top of the bikini upwards (v-neck crop tops & hip hugger jeans) at my sons high school. Perhaps a bit more fog tight in above the bikini bottom might help a bit or a curl of fog to disguise the cleavage. Its not hard to move over. Clone brush, minimal opacity(sp?). Edit: more spelling errors [ Sunday, September 28, 2003 15:37: Message edited by: devlish ] -------------------- Instant Human-Just add liberal doses of Coffee. Posts: 87 | Registered: Sunday, March 10 2002 08:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Sunday, September 28 2003 15:44
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I think it'd be ill-advised to kill yourself over Omelette being offended by your images, and that's all I'm saying. -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, September 29 2003 00:34
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To be fair, he's right, simply because I'm as sure as he is that my opinions aren't shared even by a very significant minority. -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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Master Jeweller
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written Monday, September 29 2003 03:18
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Omlette -> the image is resized in-game anyways. So are most of them. I'm not sure what to do with Ekanda. For the time being, she's dropped from the game. Reason being, most people seem to like Devlish's solution but I'm not actually allowed to do that to artwork. Here are some more images, set three. Comments welcome. Backgrounds: 22.http://www.geocities.com/the_fernie/Mayan.jpg 23.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/spellcasting.html 24.http://www.isauras.com/renderings/kaug.html 25.http://www.graphicsattic.com/bryce35.shtml Characters: 26.Image 27.Image 28.Image 29.Image 30.Image 31.Image [Edit: Browser sanity... Too little, too late.] [ Monday, September 29, 2003 11:20: Message edited by: Alorael ] -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, September 29 2003 10:20
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28 looks odd...I don't know exactly why, although I'm sure the woman ought to be larger relative to the horse...and the horse seems unhealthily fat, too...and the horse in 31 looks wrong too, although I'm not sure why I say that... -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, September 29 2003 11:14
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28 has bizarre textures and light effects where there shouldn't be any, giving it a blurry appearance. The proportions are off as well. —Alorael, who likes the other Poser-made ones. The two Isauras images don't quite look right, although he can't put his finger on why. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Master Jeweller
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written Monday, October 6 2003 02:09
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Alorael -> thanks for the edit! I'll remember the trick. Here's the final bunch of images, everybody thanks for your time! Menu screens: #32 #33 #34 #35 #36 #37 #38 #39 #40 #41 Characters: #42 #43 #44 #45 #46 #47 #48 #49 Edit: oops, I forgot a couple: #50 #51 #52 #53 #54 #55 [ Monday, October 06, 2003 07:30: Message edited by: Radiant ] -------------------- Freude, schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heilighthum! Deine Zauber binden wieder, was die Mode streng getheilt, Alle Menschen werden Brüder, wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt. Pieter Simoons aka Radiant Official Crystal Shard and SubTerra webpage Posts: 798 | Registered: Monday, December 17 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, October 6 2003 11:05
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36 and 38 look more artificial than the others. 38 especially looks like something made out of children's play-bricks rather than a real building. 47 and 49 look too cartoony, if you follow me. 41 has got to be my favourite so far... -E- -------------------- Let them eat cake! Polaris Boards: The System is Up. Perennially. Posts: 2314 | Registered: Tuesday, January 15 2002 08:00 |
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