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Yes.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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Originally written by Malakos the Freshly-Plowed:

"Get ready to face the walls"? :P
This disturbs me even more than it did this morning. All sorts of images are coming to my head, none of them good.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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My links page can guide you to stuff that you need.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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"Get ready to face the walls"? :P

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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Originally written by Thuryl:

On a side note, I wonder what it says about the community here that I always get more criticism when I advocate a position that isn't obviously evil.
Well, there's no point in talking to you when you're obviously trolling. But here, I think people are asking you real questions, not rhetorical ones.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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Originally written by LF:

If you could have a fresh generation that could be raised without those 4 aforementioned measures of society. Remove the preconceptions. Remove the negative upbringing, first started by ignorance then continued by stupidity. Then educate them. Only by doing all of that could humanity even consider possibility of trying to have a decent, let alone ideal, society.
Your ideal society might not be able to reproduce, though, if you remove that third division in society. :P

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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By the way, Excalibur, the guy you've been calling "Protocols" is actually known around here as "Alec," and I'm actually known as "Kelandon" (or just "Kel" most of the time). People's displayed names change all the time on Spidweb, so we have to have constant names to refer to people.

I didn't want to point this out at the time because I thought it might sound petty or something. :P

[ Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Originally written by Dr. Johann Georg Faust:

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Originally written by Archmage Alex:

blue-eyed
FYI

AHH I MAY NEVER RECOVER

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There are plenty of awful things the current administration has done. Are we supposed to debate Watergate and the Gulf of Tonkin incident as well?

I'm all for holding people accountable when they have done wrong, but there just isn't any convincing evidence that higher levels of government committed anything worse at Waco than a few errors of judgment, errors of judgment that shouldn't have been made, but errors of judgment nonetheless.

Look, you want someone to do a point-by-point at you? I'll do it.

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As far as the incineary bombs go; the video proves they used them, and one officer there admitted during an interview that he was ordered to order incineary bombs.
This has already been debunked in this thread.

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The man's name is Glen Stoll (might me mispelled) and he was the person who interviewed the officer I mentioned earlier.
A quick Google search on Glen Stoll gives me every reason to distrust everything that the man might ever say.

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the ATF bulldozed the site, rendering further gathering of forensic evidence impossible.
Very, Very, suspicious.
You remind me of the Snopes link. I'll presume, just on the basis of the pattern in your thinking, that there exists some obvious reason to bulldoze the site, a reason that you either haven't bothered to look up or that you aren't aware of because you haven't even thought to check the most obvious relevant details. Just stating that something is suspicious doesn't prove anything. You haven't even provided evidence of anything. You've just shown a lack of evidence.

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In January, 1999 Mr Cox challenged FBI director Louis Freeh and FBI scientists to dispute his findings. There was no response.
So what are they hiding?
I might equally write an open letter to George W. Bush challenging that he was lying about he reasons for going to war in Iraq and, upon receiving no response, shout, "WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?!?!?!/1/1/1/1"

Some idiocy doesn't deserve being dignified with a response, and apparently this was how the FBI viewed your "source."
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The documentary also shows infra-red footage demonstrating that the FBI likely used incendiary devices
Wikipedia doesn't get their stuff from nowhere
Again, this has already been debunked. Wikipedia is a good first check, but it's not the definitive answer on everything, because, after all, it is edited by people like you and me. I could go on Wikipedia right now and edit it to say that it is obvious that there was no government wrongdoing in Waco. Would you then believe me?

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At around noon, three fires started almost simultaneously in different parts of the building. Even then, as the fire spread, only nine people left the building
Koresh didn't really have power over them then, so why didn't they leave.
Don't be stupid. Koresh wasn't physically restraining them, but can you say that their prophet didn't have power over them? They were part of a messianic cult.

Besides, in emergency situations like this, people tend not to have all the information ("That way is collapsed, but this way is still open, and we won't get shot — either by our own or by the FBI — if we run out this way") and tend not to be able to make really logical decisions. Even the most rational people would've had trouble figuring out how to stay alive when smothered in tear gas and surrounded by armed men and flames, and let me remind you again, we're talking about the members of a messianic cult; they were not all that rational to begin with.

Maybe some of them preferred to die, and maybe some of them weren't given a choice by those around them.

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Since the FBI now admits that this testimony was false, many deem the Danforth Report conclusions to be less than reliable.
So you believe false testimony?
I'm not sure that anyone has relied on the specific testimony that you're talking about. I fail to see the relevance of this point, other than, again, that we lack evidence for some things. But lacking evidence doesn't prove anything.
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Between 1993 and 1999, FBI spokesmen denied (even under oath) the use of any sort of pyrotechnic devices during the assault, even though Flite-Rite CS gas grenades had been found in the rubble immediately following the fire.
So these grenades just appeared there?
This, too, has been debunked. Are these "pyrotechnic" devices or not? That's a technical point. Besides, they're gas grenades, not the standard fragmentation or concussion grenades, so they don't explode. They didn't ignite the fires.
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The FBI has also admitted to using incendiary..
Again, use of incindeary devices. Where are you getting this from, Protocols.
Um, the full line is this: "The FBI has also admitted to using incendiary flares during the stand-off to illuminate areas at night, but claims not to have used illumination flares during the assault, all of which took place during daylight hours." Flares during the night, you dolt, not incendiary devices to burn the place down during the assault.
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Several documentaries suggest that the FBI fired weapons into the building, which the FBI denies. The main evidence for gunfire is bright flashes in aerial infra-red recordings from Forward looking infrared (FLIR) cameras on government aircraft flying overhead. Edward Allard, a former government specialist on infra-red imagery, submitted an affidavit in which he declared that the video revealed bursts of automatic gunfire coming from government agents. Another independent FLIR expert, Carlos Ghigliotti, also confirms gunfire, when shown the original video kept by government officials.
The FBI lying, again.
This, too, has been debunked. It's actually you lying, not the FBI.

You have really only made two claims:

1. The FBI set incendiary devices that caused the fires that ended up killing most of the cult.

2. The FBI shot at people specifically to prevent them from getting out of the fires.

Both claims have been debunked in this thread already, so there really was no need for a point-by-point, but you've got it here so that you can't complain that no one is addressing your points.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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How is it not relevant? Virtually none of the people involved are still in the U.S. government now. That's how it's not relevant.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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It might be worth noting that socialism and communism are not exactly the same thing, too; while communists have a really bad record on human rights, socialists have a pretty good one. I know that communists have a pretty good (though certainly not perfect) record on race relations, but I'm not as sure about socialists. (And here under "socialism" I'm including e.g. Britain's Labour Party and France's Socialist Party, and under "communism" I'm including e.g. the old U.S.S.R.'s one party, China's one party, and France's Communist Party.)

Of course, the United States doesn't have a good socialist party, as far as I can tell. We have to choose between the Democrats (not nearly left enough on economic issues to be socialist), the Greens (mostly good but a little ineffectual, and Nader's kinda out of touch), and the SWP (rather quite a bit too communist for my tastes).

[ Friday, March 30, 2007 07:12: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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I think I liked the old graphics better, at least as far as I can tell from the screenshots. The awkward color of the grass in Nethergate was part of the charm, I think. And vahnatai floor in Nethergate just seems out of place.

Meh, I'd probably get used to it after about half an hour of playing and never think of it again.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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EDIT: Darn it. Never mind.

Eh, well, let me at least use this post to remind people that calling for a thread to be closed is usually a less effective way of getting the thread to go away than simply not posting in it.

[ Thursday, March 29, 2007 17:38: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by Scorpius:

IMAGE(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3532/kittyjigik3.gif)
Awww! I must make use of this in some context.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Ah. I had forgotten about that little feature of UBB.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm_(Unix)
That's not a normal typo. o_O

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I'm going to cut this off right here before anyone says anything unpleasant.

Iffy, I'm assuming that your posts were made in good faith, but it's usually best to do some sort of checking before you give help. This poster made just about the best request for help that one can make (complete with screenshot), so telling him not to be a "newb" is not really useful.

Tyran, go easy on Iffy.

Neither of you have done anything particularly wrong, and I'm shutting this down before anyone does. Let no one complain that the mods are too slow to act!

Anarch, my impression is that your question has been answered. If you have a further one, feel free to make a new topic. :)

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Um, don't mind Iffy (Infernal Flamming Muffin). He's new and clearly doesn't remember this part of the game.

Wander a bit north and west. You'll find a wheel with a chain. Turn it until there are stairs that you can just push the boulder up. (You'll have to turn it again a couple of times to get the orientation in the next room right.)

[ Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:55: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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I suppose I should add that I'm not saying that I'm against giving people standardized tests as one measure of their knowledge in a field or aptitude for something. I'm just against it being the sole (or even the primary) factor.

Practical necessity makes it inevitable that admissions offices use numbers (GPA, test scores) to judge applicants, but designing an entire society that way is probably a bad thing.

As far as getting people into the right jobs, though, I think that vocational education needs to come back in a big way. Becoming a carpenter or a mechanic is just as legitimate a career choice as becoming a lawyer or doctor, even if the money is not quite the same. (If I'm not mistaken, I've made this point on these boards before.)

[ Wednesday, March 28, 2007 18:24: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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Originally written by LF:

I suppose, but if you eliminate the companies or make preparation for a political placement illegal and punishable by execution(or field castration).
This brings to mind the more salient argument against this, which is that standardized tests are very bad at measuring in individuals what they are purported to measure. The SAT is intended to predict a person's freshman grades in college, which it more or less does, on a broad statistical basis. However, it completely fails with certain individuals. Any standardized test will do the same.

A society based around placement tests may have some broad statistical fairness, but it will be horribly unfair to individuals. (This is the reason why, by the way, colleges don't judge you solely on your test scores.)

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EDIT: Of course, all you have to do is redo the test every year and do it the test up properly and prep courses will be virtually useless
This is harder than you might think. You're intending to test the same skills, but you want to test them in substantially different and novel ways at all times? You've set out a formidable task indeed.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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And why in the zell would there be a prep test for an aptitude test?! The very concept is almost a contradiction in and of itself
Test prep is an inevitable consequence of the existence of standardized tests. The SAT is supposed to be an aptitude test (they still call it the Reasoning test), but there is an incredible amount of prep available for it. The LSAT is much nearer to a real reasoning test, and it is extremely prep-able.

Make a test, and companies will offer prep for it. It's just that simple.

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We might want to fill all the boards to their maximum moderating level, so that every board has four moderators (or at least three). We might also want to replace a moderator or two who have been inactive and pretty much left Spidweb.

I move that Tech Support, BoA, BoAE, Nethergate, BoE, RWG, and Subterra all get additional mods. All of these forums have empty spots (or at least would if we replaced Brett Bixler, who doesn't really visit Spidweb at all anymore — and while we're at it, although Ash is here on a regular basis, I don't think The Creator is).

We could just add Alo as an extra mod to any forums he doesn't already mod (Tech Support, Subterra, Nethergate, maybe the Blades boards), and find another mod for the Blades boards (gee, I wonder who might be qualified for that). Since even after adding Alo, Nethergate would still only have two mods, we'd probably want to add another one there, too.

[ Wednesday, March 28, 2007 08:17: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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Originally written by LF:

Aptitude test. Test people when they hit a certain age to see what they should be doing and what their role in politics should be.
You just enunciated Henry Chauncey's most fantastical dream and my — as a good Princeton Review teacher and earnest devotee of John Katzman — worst nightmare. Aptitude tests are a dangerous thing, especially when test prep exists (and it is an inevitable consequence of the existence of these tests).

As a standardized test teacher, I am acutely aware of the limitations of standardized tests, and I wouldn't want to throw the fate of a society into the hands of ETS any more than we already have.

Besides, why should people be forced to do only things that they're good at, not things that they enjoy? And what do you do about people like me, who are good at many things?

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Man, what's with everyone falling in love? I guess I'm no exception, but I register my indignance nonetheless.

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Last before the lock, maybe?

For the record, obviously, I like Avernum better, but the margin is getting thinner all the time.

[ Tuesday, March 27, 2007 18:35: Message edited by: Malakos the Freshly-Plowed ]

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