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Avernum 4? in General
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You know, re-reading that blurb reminds me of A2 much more than of A3, which is a good thing. Still, we shall see.

I'm assuming A4 uses scripts?

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I notice really, really pointless things. in General
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I am teh spamer

I wasn't going to make a celebration thread, because I made one at 3500, but now that's it's made for me... look at how cool I am! Look at me! Look at me! *puts on a slith mask and dances the slithy dance*

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Bahssikava in Blades of Avernum
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Glad to hear you liked it! You will, of course, be rating it on SW and CSR, right? [/shameless plug]

I'm definitely not going to make another scenario like Bahssikava, so I don't think that others should either. I pretty much agree with Thuryl.

If you're interested to know what I think worked and what I think didn't, I wrote a long post describing the history of Bahs and my thoughts on its successes and failures over here.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Avernum 4? in General
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quote:
Originally written by ThirdParty:

And I don't know where people got the idea of "monster plagues"--go and reread the information Jeff released.
quote:
All at once, everything has gone wrong. The savages and dark creatures of the lower tunnels, once beaten into submission, have returned. Gigantic beasts, shielded by powerful magic, have taken up residence in the cities, wandering and killing at random.
If you say that's not monster plagues, I'm assuming you have more information than we do, but you have to understand that it was reasonable to interpret that as monster plagues.

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Who bothers to set crime levels? in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Crime tolerance in my towns is 2, generally, because Jeff has it set at 2 in all of his towns. I started doing this in LP because Imban went around imbanning people.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Who bothers to set crime levels? in Blades of Avernum
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Crime tolerance in my towns is 2, generally, because Jeff has it set at 2 in all of his towns. I started doing this in LP because Imban went around imbanning people.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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What's Your Faction? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

I sympathize with:

1. Abyss, Bargha-style
2. Other (Gnass/Lost Bahssikava sliths)
3. Avernum
4. Brigands (surface rebels, etc)

In that order.

Now come on, you can't just give a list like that without explaining your reasons for it.

I'm, um, not big on authority? And I like the downtrodden, particularly those who are trying to pull themselves back up. Spire is too lawless for me — those people are just annoying criminals. But Barghans are putting in effort to better their existence. Same with the others.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Avernum 4? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Delicious Vlish:

Well it can't be the Vanatai. That would just be rehashing AIII. Which would be folly. People would be howling for poor Jeff's head.
Because Jeff has never done something that made people howl for his head before.

quote:
Originally written by Red_Sage:

Perhaps you prefer the commercial method of recycling decades old stories and gameplay while simply giving them new facelifts and graphics, I cannot say I do.
I think you've fundamentally misunderstood the community's objections. As Stareye said, you may as well be describing Avernum itself. (And I *do* like Avernum more than Exile, but I like the Avernum graphics over the "improved" GF graphics.)

It's not the innovation that we're worried about; it's the lack thereof. The worry has been that he's just recycling stuff that has been done in previous GF and Avernum games. (GF graphics, A3 plot, etc.) Drakey says that he thinks that Jeff isn't doing this. I know a lot less about it than he does, so I'm willing to believe that for the moment, but I can't say that I'm completely confident.

[ Friday, August 26, 2005 09:54: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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I am the best. in General
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Of course! Zuul is another name for Richard White, no?

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Do you like school? in General
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The farther I progress in school, the more I like it. I didn't much like the earlier grades (3, 4, 5) but the second half of high school was okay, and college is great. It didn't get really good until year 2, but now it's going pretty well.

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I'm stupid. Someone explain this thread to me?

[ Thursday, August 25, 2005 08:31: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Pralgad or Pralgrad? in Blades of Avernum
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You could give an answer just as well as Alec. The games don't say, so anything that anyone else would say would be just as made-up as your interpretation.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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avernum 4 info released! in The Avernum Trilogy
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Yeah, if you want to talk about A4, you may as well use the already-created thread over in General, so I'll lock this one to prevent fragmenting the discussion.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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THE ABOMINABLE PHOTO THREAD: THE THIRD COMING! in General
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Most people give in at step 11: "Recognize that it is wrong to use an adverbial subordinate clause as the complement of a linking verb."

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Avernum 4? in General
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A4 is in preliminary beta testing. That means a few core beta testers (Drakey, Stareye) have it, even though the big beta call hasn't gone out yet.

Much of it is incomplete, which is why Drakey is uncertain about some of this stuff (and why the graphics are not final). However, enough is in place that he can give the answers that he has. That's how he knows what he knows.

[ Wednesday, August 24, 2005 15:14: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Avernum 4? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Last Light:

Kel: Drakey's response seems reasonable. You expressed fear of a vague, unenthralling plot with implausibly motivated villains.
Primaryism said that all of the previous JV plots have been great. I was saying that A3's plot wasn't. This makes no predictions about A4.

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What's Your Faction? in Blades of Avernum
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I sympathize with:

1. Abyss, Bargha-style
2. Other (Gnass/Lost Bahssikava sliths)
3. Avernum
4. Brigands (surface rebels, etc)

In that order.

Also, isn't this more an ET/AT question?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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What's Your Faction? in General
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I sympathize with:

1. Abyss, Bargha-style
2. Other (Gnass/Lost Bahssikava sliths)
3. Avernum
4. Brigands (surface rebels, etc)

In that order.

Also, isn't this more an ET/AT question?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

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Avernum 4? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

quote:
someone's created monster plagues. Go and kill a bunch of stuff. Oh, and it was the vahnatai. Why? Because they're still mad about the same thing as before.
If that's all there is, I'll eat my hat. I believe it will be far more in-depth and far less Vahnatai-oriented than you think.

Drakey, read my post again and see if you can figure out what's wrong with your response.

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Avernum 4? in General
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quote:
Originally written by primaryism:

Exactly. I'm confused as to why everyone's so sure the plot will be awful when the plots of all the previous Avernum/Exile games were all amazing.
Recall the over-arching plot of A3: someone's created monster plagues. Go and kill a bunch of stuff. Oh, and it was the vahnatai. Why? Because they're still mad about the same thing as before.

Don't get me wrong: the individual pieces of A3 were very entertaining. Lorelei and Gale were probably two of the best cities Jeff ever made. I found the troglo/giant missions extremely fun. However, it's hard to argue that the bigger plot of A3 was any good at all.

More generally: as far as judging things by preliminary screenshots, well, it's the interface that I'm looking at. If he's going to redo everything we see in that screenshot, then why release this screenshot at all? I'm guessing that it will look enough like that screenshot that my gut reaction will remain the same.

Anyway, I'm curious about size. Do we have any idea whether this is more on the size of A1/A2 or closer to A3?

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Custom Item Error in Blades of Avernum Editor
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I'm willing to bet that Thralni/Marvin was right. The calls are likely not in the right place.

As far as Mind Crystals, you're going to need a very simple script. Give the item ability 208, and then link to a state that uses the call alter_stat.

This is what I used for the script for a Mind Crystal in Bahssikava (altered slightly to reflect your situation):

reset_dialog();
add_dialog_str(0,"As you stare deep into the Mind Crystal, you start to hear strange, whispering voices in your mind. The words are barely audible, but they seem to be trying to teach you something.",0);
add_dialog_str(1,"You concentrate, and you start to get an impression of what ability the item is trying to teach you.",0);
add_dialog_str(2,"[Name of Ability to Change]",15);
add_dialog_str(3,"[Description of Ability to Change]",15);
add_dialog_str(4,"This crystal can only be used once, so choose carefully whether or not to use it now.",0);
add_dialog_choice(0,"Don't use it yet.");
add_dialog_choice(1,"Use the crystal.");
if (run_dialog(1) == 2)
alter_stat(who_to_alter,which_stat,how_much);
As for spellshards, you'll need to do the same sort of thing, but you'll want 206 (or possibly 219) — and good luck with anything that targets multiple creatures, because that will be virtually impossible.

[ Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:07: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Custom Item Error in Blades of Avernum
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I'm willing to bet that Thralni/Marvin was right. The calls are likely not in the right place.

As far as Mind Crystals, you're going to need a very simple script. Give the item ability 208, and then link to a state that uses the call alter_stat.

This is what I used for the script for a Mind Crystal in Bahssikava (altered slightly to reflect your situation):

reset_dialog();
add_dialog_str(0,"As you stare deep into the Mind Crystal, you start to hear strange, whispering voices in your mind. The words are barely audible, but they seem to be trying to teach you something.",0);
add_dialog_str(1,"You concentrate, and you start to get an impression of what ability the item is trying to teach you.",0);
add_dialog_str(2,"[Name of Ability to Change]",15);
add_dialog_str(3,"[Description of Ability to Change]",15);
add_dialog_str(4,"This crystal can only be used once, so choose carefully whether or not to use it now.",0);
add_dialog_choice(0,"Don't use it yet.");
add_dialog_choice(1,"Use the crystal.");
if (run_dialog(1) == 2)
alter_stat(who_to_alter,which_stat,how_much);
As for spellshards, you'll need to do the same sort of thing, but you'll want 206 (or possibly 219) — and good luck with anything that targets multiple creatures, because that will be virtually impossible.

[ Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:07: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Engrish in General
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Yes, the Chinese languages are tonal. They are not as extreme with it as Vietnamese, but it's there.

I think some languages manage to be more grammatically incorrect than others. English has a history of evolving very, very quickly (compare Greek — it takes only minimal training for a Modern Greek speaker to read Koine, spoken a couple thousand years ago), but it was standardized hundreds of years ago. That means that the spoken language has evolved in such a way as to leave the written language behind.

Moreover, some of the rules were pretty arbitrary to begin with. My favorite example is using the subjective case as a complement for forms of the verb "to be." Virtually no one naturally says, "It's I!" or "The one who did this was he." As far as I know, this was decided to be correct because this is what languages with full noun case forms (Latin, etc.) do, not because of any existing spoken practice.

The only other language I've really heard spoken and understood is Spanish, and it's a lot less grammatically incorrect than English most of the time. (For instance, "Soy yo" is very normal in spoken Spanish, and "soy me" or something bizarre like that would sound very, well, bizarre.) Also Spanish speakers rarely have the same kind of trouble spelling their language as English speakers do.

Also, compare: "How are you doing?" "I'm doing pretty good." (We all know this is incorrect, right? But we hear it all the time.) vs. "Como estas?" "Estoy bien." (If you were to say, "Estoy bueno," they'd laugh at you.) I hardly think the difference between an adjective and an adverb is an advanced feature of the language.

So yes, I think English is noticeably grammatically incorrect compared to other languages.

[ Wednesday, August 24, 2005 09:54: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Avernum 4? in General
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Does this mean we'll see the caves of E1/E2/A1/A2 redone yet again in a Geneforge style?

The GF interface at first made me want to vomit, but then I remembered that I kind of liked GF1 and GF2. This will be... different. And if I really need a classic Avernum fix, I'll play BoA.

But this is the first SW game that seems like to actively make me want to play a different SW game instead.

EDIT: Well, the first JV-SW game, anyway. One cannot discount the RW-SW games, I suppose.

[ Tuesday, August 23, 2005 21:41: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Engrish in General
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Try to tell any English speaker about the subjunctive mood. He or she will laugh in your face. I think I'm going to move to Germany, where they have the decency to preserve declensions. Although I guess they have that, um, spelling controversy.

Zeviz, I think the problem is that Ben doesn't care about being factually wrong.

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