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Regrettable But in General
Lack of Vision
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Profile #199
quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

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Protection of political speech on a forum is fine. That isn't really my concern, though. I don't ascribe any high-minded ideals to Desperance. It's just a place where some friends talk and enjoy themselves and read my and Alec's pretentious articles. It's a base camp for the online activities of a number of people. That's all. I don't tout it as a wonderful Shangri-La of free expression and open debate because there's already enough of those and also because I am not a pompous dickweed, son.

But you've conveniently sidestepped the issue. What is it you can't do on these boards, besides use naughty language? That was Student's astute observation of your little base camp, and I found it to be largely accurate when I visited your boards.

Your response to my post was that "freedom" was being stifled by the rules of the CoC (by comparing my comment about open discussion to Orwellian doublespeak). Give me ONE example of an offense that did not stem from either silly (admittedly, creative) invective or abuse of a member! Give me ONE example of this censorship that your find intolerable, and I'll concede there is some merit to what you said.

Your second response is that you never said anything about freedom, and you're just enjoying a nice little chat room with your friends where you can talk as rough and dirty as you like. Fine, but then you've conceded mine and Student's point - you're beef is not being able to say naughty words.

Z

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Scent of new-mown hay in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
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Profile #45
I think these posts are quite right.

I actually had in mind Wittgenstein who wrote that the limits of language are the limits of thought. Imagine trying to do physics without the language of mathematics to express a formula. You might be able to do basic things, but not much else. That's why we invent new words all the time - to help establish and further our thinking (nano-technology, genetic engineering, Moore's law - each of these concepts have both defined and enabled refinement).

And regarding the point of feeling embarrassment. Wittgenstein points out that we invent words when we must to express our thoughts. Hence, thinking and language are linked in a way that cannot be decoupled.

Z

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Regrettable But in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #195
quote:
Originally written by Andrea:



Zorro: A more open environment due to arbitrary restrictions. Also, war is peace and lies are true. Water is surprisingly dry and the Pope is a well-respected Protestant.


That's an odd way to describe what I said. Surely you agree that in a community it is desirable to have some restrictions on the actions of members in order to escape the Hobbesian state of nature. The whole "my right to swing my fist ends at the beginning of your nose" and all that. Further, the whole premise of modern sexual harassment laws rest of this assumption. It isn't a balance between a woman's right to experience a harassment-free workplace and someone else's right to talk dirty to her. It comes from the fundamental belief that, in the workplace context, everybody has the right to be free of harassment, and this right is obtained by a small social contract in which we agree not to harass others in exchange for not being harassed ourselves.

This isn't a binary issue - either absolute freedom to do anything you want or tyranny. There is a continuum of these freedoms that are sometimes more formal and restriction, and sometimes less so.

Besides, what is it, exactly, that you're so interested in doing here in the SW boards that you can't do? I've seen people post scathing critiques of Jeff Vogel on his own company board. I've seen people routinely abuse the SW games. What political posts have ever been censured? The only thing I can see that exists on Desp that doesn't exist on SW are posting pictures of **** and some of the most colorful language I've ever read. And is it that much of an infringement on your right to post pictures of **** to, in return, receive a service upon which to speak with others that share your interests, and not have to worry that the next message list might contain a picture that will make you vomit? And, lest we forget, the cost of the service is paid by the company we sometimes critique.

And if you don't think that those activities of which some Desp members seem so fond DON'T harass others and drive them away, then I really don't see how we can continue this conversation. I come to these boards for some information about SW games, some humor and occasionally interesting discussions. How likely am I to get that if a group of "mature" posters spam the boards with grotesque images? Besides, you've got your own board over there! Enjoy it and all the scatological humor you can muster. If you then want to skulk off in your littler corner of the internet and question the sexuality of the posters that prefer this board, that's your business. But let's be real here, you're behaving like a temperamental child who is upset at the "unfairness" of it all. The moderators here have explicitly laid down the rules for use of this board.

All I can say is welcome to the real world, kid.

Z

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 23:13: Message edited by: Zorro ]

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Regrettable But in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #189
Well I just visited the Desp forums and I gotta say that I agree with Student - its mostly a weird parallel universe in which saying naughty words and scatological humor are interpreted as sighs on the "maturity" their members have. I believe I shall not be visiting Desp often. Surely it is better this way. I prefer a more open environment in which we can all converse, they prefer a more closed environment. We live and let live.

One post on Desp did make me happy. I'm really glad that Kel finally posted an angry rebuttal against TM rising to the level of viciousness routinely used against him. My experience has been that TM is a bully. He expresses disdain for those with whom he disagrees (about anything, game preferences, politics, whatever). He often crosses the line by making this disdain abusive, if colorful. I don't think we should excuse such behavior as "that's just TM" and go about our merry ways. And none have been more consistently and viciously the subject of this abuse than Kel.

So Kel - I salute you. You didn't ask to be the target of such nonsense, and you deserve better.

Z

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Scent of new-mown hay in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #37
What I find most fascinating about language, in general, is how it affects thought. It's like the old "common wisdom" about Eskimos have 20 words for 'white' - which unfortunately isn't true. But it really is the case that language represents the limits of thought. Or, at the very least, the limits of communicable thoughts.

I've never read a linguistic study of ancient Greek in relation to the development of culture, but I'm not surprised by its attention to nuance and details.

Do any of you classic scholars know if there were any particular linguistic changes that occurred among Ionian Greeks shortly after the Battle of Marathon? It has always struck me as nearly magical that the flower of Greek culture happened essentially among the two generations following this battle. It was when Plato began his writings, Socrates (who fought at Marathon as a young man) was teaching. The Sophists were active, as were Parmenides, Protagoras, & Philebus.

It is hard to imagine what would have happened had the Persians won the Battle of Marathon and sacked Athens - killed all its men and selling all its women and children into slavery. The consequences for Greek culture (and indeed, perhaps Western culture) would have been staggering had the Athenians lost that day.

Z

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Regrettable But in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #152
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

I'd be very surprised to learn that our candidate-proxy system really is used in electing governments anywhere.
*edit* Me too stupid to read entire post me quote!

Would you be surprised to learn that this is the system used by Democrats and Republicans at their conventions?

*obviously you're not surprised since you mention it! I'm leaving the last bit in because I better say something interesting or I'm going to be compared to pieces of the female anatomy by TM for being Exhibit A of how silly the community has become.*

Basically, the primary voters don't elect a "candidate," they elect delegates to the Party Convention. The people vying for the Party's nomination then settle into a mad set of smoke-filled back-room deals in which various possible positions are traded for delegates until a winner emerges. At least, that's what happens if no candidates have enough delegates for a "first round" ballot win (meaning over 50 percent).

I believe the last time this kind of chaos happened was in the 1972 nomination of George McGovern as the Democratic candidate for president. McGovern had a lead in the primaries going into the Convention, but not a decisive one. This led to a massive amount of back-room politicking in which the other candidates tried to agree on an alternative to give their votes to and sink McGovern's candidacy. They failed mostly because nobody could stand Hubert Humphrey as the alternative candidate. I can't say I blame them.

The Democratic party then decided that, in order to avoid this kind of political nonsense in the future, they would assign about 40 percent of the delegateships to senior party officials. There was very real and serious talk among Democrats that, if Howard Dean had won the primaries, they could use these special delegates to deny him the nomination. No such fun was to be had, unfortunately, because Kerry won.

I don't know if we'll see such contested candidacies again for some time, but who knows? Maybe Kel and Alec could run for President?

Z

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 06:13: Message edited by: Zorro ]

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Just say no in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #81
Begin the unnecessarily slow dipping mechanism.

Now, we will all leave and assume everything went according to plan.

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Regrettable But in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #130
This has got to be the weirdest series of posts I've ever encountered on SW - and that's saying something! You all had me going there for a minute that you meant it.

I get it now! It's high comedy! A kabuki critique of the recent presidential election in Iran.

BTW, I'm dying to know, why do TM and Kel engage in Spiderweb Celebrity Death Matches?

Z

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Down with RWG! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #29
I don't know why all you Mac users are so smug. There are NO programs available for the Mac!

For instance, the top four programs I spend my time using on my Dell have no mac equivalents:

(1) A virus scanner;
(2) Spyware scanner;
(3) An ad remover; and
(4) Disk defragger

Sheez!

Z

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Down with RWG! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #12
Alex - is that DF or Alo?

It looks like a combination of both.

Z

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Just say no in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #58
Alex, you are a sick and twisted comic genius! But why does DF have a hand on each computer? How does he use the mouse?

Z

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Posts: 186 | Registered: Thursday, February 27 2003 08:00
Just say no in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #52
Waitamminute!

Why does the cartoon Richard White look exactly the same as Alo? Why is Alo the moderator of this forum?

Coincidence?

Z

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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
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Opps, sorry about the multiple posts. I'm stupid today.

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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
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Damn you Icshi! Damn you!!!!!! in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

Zorro, no offense meant in the least, but must you mention Ischi in EVERY SINGLE POST ever?
Yes, actually, thank you for asking. You see, my entire being is tied to a certain atomic configuration that manifests itself in using the character combination of "Icshi". (Or, I can also use the hexadecimal, but its harder to squeeze 18CE OU89 Z789 into polite conversation)

If I don't do it, there is the very real possibility that I will spontaneously combust with the force of a sun going nova, and hence, take the entire world with me.

I had born with burden (or, as Shakespeare would say, this fardel) along throughout my life, but imagine my surprise and delight when I discovered an actual person uses the very combination of typed letters I need to keep the world safe! Now, suddenly, the weight of Earth life was no longer on my shoulders as ONLY a burden. Now I could post on Spiderweb's forum rather than only on alt.chat.random.silly.nonsense.that.saves.the.world.

I'm not sure its actually true that I would spontaneously combust, but I decided not to run the risk. For you sake.

Z

[ Tuesday, July 12, 2005 18:45: Message edited by: Zorro ]

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What games have YOU registered? in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #42
quote:
Originally written by Mister Maoben:

I don't see what's so hard about dialog. Type in the required text, and then use nodes to make actions upon inquiration of a certain 4 letters. That's not really coding.

The editor is not a pick-up-and-use thing, but with practice, it gets a lot easier and more fun.

Don't worry Ben, it has been pointed out to me numerous times on these boards that my inability to derive enjoyment for BoA reflects on my own sad, silly character. In fact, I'm just glad I can leave the house without my helmet on.

Z

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Favorite Beatles Songs in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #7
quote:
Originally written by Marx' Martyr:

Lady Madonna, Rocky Raccoon and Magical Mystery Tour are all good songs.
Whooo - I think Rocky Raccoon is incredible! That's my favorite, along with Norwegian Wood.

Z

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The Ultimate "Favourite Game" Poll in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #40
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

Okay, own up. Who claims to have registered BoE and hated it, and why are you trying to mess with the results?
Hi Ash:

That was me. I registered BoE and hated it. Sorry to mess up your poll. I wasn't aware that having a low opinion of BoE was nearly as despicable as genocide, but I've since been informed.

Z

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Pan Lever: Seventeen apple roving mirror moiety. Of turned quorum jaggedly the. Blue?
Posts: 186 | Registered: Thursday, February 27 2003 08:00
What games have YOU registered? in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #36
quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

I didn't notice this until Ben brought it up, but...
quote:
Originally written by Zorro:

Spiderweb games I've registered and enjoyed:
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Galactic Core
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Spiderweb games I've registered and wondered why I wasted my money:
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Blades of Exile
Blades of Avernum

:eek:

I wrote above why I didn't enjoy these games, but here is the 50 cent version:

(1) BoE has an engine that is painful, painful for me to play. I hate the dialogue, guess-the-secret-word-charades stuff in Exile. I hate having to learn 50 skills when I open a new game, in order to create a character (Avernum handled this much better by letting me select a descriptive character type first, and then ease me into the skill system). And I really hate having to screw around with resedit to make a scenario work. A scenario design utility shouldn't make me use a hex editor to play a scenario created with it. I actually never got more than a few minutes into the first scenario before quitting and being annoyed.

(2) BoA was just really, really boring. The included scenarios where a cheap exercise in traveling from faceless dungeon to faceless dungeon - killing everything, and looting everything. There wasn't any real character or plot development. My party was faceless and I didn't really care what happened to them or the silly village.

Let me emphasize that I only played Valley of the Dying Things, and a bit into a Small Rebellion. But by then I was so bored, the last thing I wanted to do was double click on the BoA icon again.

I also tried Roses of Reckoning. It was a little better, but really just an extended advertisement for BoE. I really got annoyed that the books in the library were just a laundry list of scenarios the author liked that were designed for a different game.

I tried making a scenario, and failed miserably after realizing that I had no idea how to code dialogue, despite the guide's assurance that it was easy and didn't involve any coding.

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My problem is that I'm probably the definition of a casual gamer. I don't have hours of time every day to sink into a game, so a game pretty much has to make me want to keep playing or I stop and do something else. I tend to give new games a couple of hours, even if I don't enjoy them at first, because some games are slow to warm up, but BoA didn't really ever warm up for me.

Ever couple of months I try it again to see if it grabs me, and it hasn't yet.

And therein is probably why I've enjoyed Galactic Core - its kind of like a really easy game of Tetris. It is relaxing and doesn't tax me in the least.

Z

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Posts: 186 | Registered: Thursday, February 27 2003 08:00
Just say no in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #30
quote:
Originally written by Verelor:



Bag of RW's turd material > Ocean Bound

Bag of RW's turd material = Lost Souls

Bag of RW's turd material < Galactic Core

Icshi describes "Ocean Bound" as sim city without the city. That actually captures it exactly. It is truly a weird and annoying game.

Lost Souls is an interesting concept. I thought it was kind of fun, but not fun enough to register it for the full version.

Galactic Core is fun, but the AI is really terrible, the included campaigns are really easy, and so it has limited appeal. And the species are, under no theory, remotely balanced. One species gets a giant, planet-killing deathstar as their best battle ship. Another gets a hologram as their best battle ship. Hmm - which would you choose?

Right now, I'm playing an email game and Icshi keeps killing my scout ships!

[ Sunday, July 10, 2005 18:36: Message edited by: Zorro ]

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What games have YOU registered? in General
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #30
I think I wrote the history of my Spiderweb addiction (better than skribbane and half the calories!), but what the heck:

I played Exile back in 1995 (I think) and hated it, and promptly put it out of my memory...

Around 1999, I bought the Exile trilogy CD and Blades of Exile, without remembering my earlier Exile experience. That is, until I opened Exile and remembered how much I hated it, and then immediately felt really foolish four having bought four games I couldn't (and still can't) stand. And yes, I have given all of them a try. I don't like the engine and find myself totally unable to enjoy them.

A year later I read a review of Nethergate, and it sounded interesting. I downloaded the demo and really loved it, so I registered. I especially enjoyed being the Romans.

I then tried Avernum 1 and 2, and liked those as well. I didn't like them as much as Nethergate, but I liked them well enough to pay price of admission. I played and finished both.

Eventually, I tried Geneforge, and loved it. I registered it. I finished it multiple times (once with each type of Shaper).

I then registered Avernum 3, but I've never finished it. For some reason, I just never got into it.

I registered Geneforge 2 the day it came out. This is probably my favorite Spiderweb game. I've finished it multiple times.

I purchased Blades of Avernum before trying it, and it kind of killed the Avernum series for me. I found the included scenarios boring, and the scenario editor too difficult to learn, especially since the included documentation was like trying to learn a foreign language using only a dictionary. I tried a couple user-created scenarios, but never got into any of them.

I registered Geneforge 3 shortly after it came out, and loved it. I didn't like it quite as much as Geneforge 2, but it is a solid and fun game.

And *hangs his head in shame* I recently registered Galactic Core. The game has a brain-dead AI, but I'm right now engaged in mouse-to-mouse combat with Ischi over the internet and its really fun.

In conclusion:

Spiderweb games I've registered and enjoyed:

Geneforge
Geneforge 2
Geneforge 3
Avernum 1
Avernum 2
Nethergate
Galactic Core

Spiderweb games I've registered and sort of regretted:

Avernum 3

Spiderweb games I've registered and wondered why I wasted my money:

Exile 1
Exile 2
Exile 3
Blades of Exile
Blades of Avernum

So I've had seven really enjoyable SW games, five that I wish I'd never played (let alone purchased), and one that bored me after a few days of playing. Money well spent? We report, you decide!

I will say that I'm a strong supporter of the "concept" of Spiderweb. I do feel an obligation for paying for Jeff's games - just trying to do my part to support his life so he can keep giving me entertainment.

Z

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Posts: 186 | Registered: Thursday, February 27 2003 08:00
Just say no in Richard White Games
Lack of Vision
Member # 2717
Profile #22
Yes, all evidence points to Richard White having left us Lost Souls, and is Ocean Board for the great Galactic Core in the sky. Further, evidence points to his death being caused by Linda pushing him off the Space Needle so Jeff can collect the full amount of his registrations. I can imagine that Jeff would appreciate the irony of having the one designer of a Spiderweb space game being pushed off the Space Needle. So, obviously it must be true, otherwise why would Jeff's other site be called Irony Central?

If you don't believe me, ask Ischi. He knows the truth, and the truth does not lie. That's true by definition.

Z

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