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Off With Their Heads
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Desperance is largely the place to find old members that don't post here anymore. I go there for my ASD, Djur, and Scorpius fix, mostly (and probably others that are not coming to mind instantly).

Oh yeah, and maybe someday Pygmalion, and in the past, the Arena.

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Babelicious
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quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

I've read over the recent Desperance posts a few times recently. It's interesting to see that some people post regularly on both sets of boards (and I guess some even keep up three, with Polaris). I like the idea of maintaining parallel identities, more or less, modulated into different keys.

In practice, though, I was pretty disappointed. My interest in puerile allusions to homosexual acts just does not seem to have the necessary stamina. The occasional reference, ha ha; a steady diet, post after post, year in year out ... it just boggles my mind that anyone could continue so consistently to find this amusing. So now I'm honestly curious, just what purpose Desperance serves, other than being a kind of drip tray for these boards here.

Is there really any actual life over there? If so, where?

I can see how you could get that impression, assuming that you consistently avoid reading any words that don't refer to sloppy dongchonging. For your interest, I'd like to point you to recent threads that have a point other than dick jokes:

http://forums.desperance.net/viewtopic.php?id=731
http://forums.desperance.net/viewtopic.php?id=741
http://forums.desperance.net/viewtopic.php?id=743 (at first)
http://forums.desperance.net/viewtopic.php?id=733

That's excluding a few garbage topics (screenshots, etc.). If you can't tell the difference between a particular mode of conversation and the actual content of those conversations, you have the intellectual capacity of a chickpea.

Desperance is not a Spiderweb auxiliary and has not been for a couple years. We are somewhat connected, and we share most of our members, but we are not Spiderweb. Frankly, I can't stand most of the idiots who post here, and Polaris is only worse. Desperance is a community for people who don't need a daddy to watch over them and a set of commandments laid down by their god to prevent their sensibilities from being offended. Some discussion is relevant and intelligent. Some discussion boils down mostly to gay sex. To arbitrarily prevent one of those damages the other.

Of course, if by "drip tray" you mean that the actually intelligent Spiderweb members driven away by the incessant howling of idiots almost inevitably end up at Desperance, I agree wholeheartedly.
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Uh, hmm. The first of those links I'll grant is quite decent, and the second makes sense. If the other two are among the best you can cite, though, I'm not reassured. I do quite grasp that Desperance offers freedom from the SW code of conduct; but in itself that doesn't really promise interesting content, unless you're actually fascinated by homosexual rape.

Believe it or not, I'm not just being prudish. I'm perfectly comfortable with language registers that make Desperance look refined. I'm just honestly disappointed with the place, on recent inspection. Has it fallen on hard times lately, or is this as good as it ever was?

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I only chose threads from this month. Considering we have fewer than 20 active members, I think that's pretty good.

I'm not particularly bothered that you were "disappointed" by Desperance. We don't really make an effort to impress people, mostly since we're not that big on piss fiends. It's the claim that we're a "drip tray" for Spiderweb that irritates me.

A few years back, there was a relatively well-known SW member who informed me that Desperance was Satanic and that "djur is the anti-christ."

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 14:53: Message edited by: Andrea ]
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Given Desperance's own standard of rhetoric, I wouldn't have thought 'drip tray' would cut that deep. It's just that I'd mostly heard of it as the place people go when they want to use more foul language than SW lets them, and 'drip tray' seemed a fair counterweight to all the highflown claims about humor and freedom from howling idiots, which seemed a tad overblown given the actual content I found.

But I'm sorry for being rude. I guess the smaller number of regular contributors would account for the slower pace.

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Basically, when they say "howling idiots" they mean "anyone who hasn't been in the community for at least three years". Certain prominent community members (I won't mention names) are avowed xenophobes.

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Desp is certainly less active than it used to be. I can see how you'd be disappointed in it if you didn't already know the people there. The people who are doing the conversing matter at least as much as the actual standard of conversation.

The... unique linguistic qualities of Desp... well, those are hard to explain. At this point they've almost evolved into a jargon, really. There's an unspoken expectation that usually one should at least try to be creative in their use. Plus sometimes it's just useful to be able to shout WANGS as an icebreaker.

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quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

Basically, when they say "howling idiots" they mean "anyone who hasn't been in the community for at least three years". Certain prominent community members (I won't mention names) are avowed xenophobes.
Hey, I think you've been here three years. That's obviously false.
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Yeah, the language does seem a bit cultish. A recent poster explained that he hadn't been serious when he wrote 'chongdongler' ... and it occurred to me that the only imaginable circumstance in which 'chongdongler' could ever be used seriously would be if Ned Flanders pulled a stretch in Riker's.

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Shaper
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That would be "wangdangler", actually.

Djur, I didn't mean to imply that all those who have been here at least three years aren't "howling idiots" according to certain people (again, no names mentioned). I know perfectly well those particular people's opinions of me.

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Why don't we end this topic? I think it's pretty much played itself out, and is now only serving as a vehicle for further rancor.
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The topic's not really any worse now than it was when it started (which isn't saying much). The admins want it to live, so it lives.

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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

I'm not particularly bothered that you were "disappointed" by Desperance. We don't really make an effort to impress people, mostly since we're not that big on piss fiends. It's the claim that we're a "drip tray" for Spiderweb that irritates me.
A stab to my heart!! No, no, say it isn't so. My life ebbs at your cruel words.

*falls down dead*

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Hmmm. I looked over at desp too, and it isn't my thing. Like others, I have a rather perverse sense of humor and can swear with the dockhands, but largely not so I can hear my own voice. I think it is nice that people that felt/feel alienated from sw have a place to air their grievances in a colorful manner, and it may be that someday I will make a post.

But for now I read over the posts and it is in a language I don't understand, and I have little patience for learning new english. After two months I finally managed to "get" the acronym iirc, which simply was a cute and jargonish way of cutting into keystroke count.

Edit: my spelling is simply appalling

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[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 19:05: Message edited by: Jumpin' Salmon ]
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Well I just visited the Desp forums and I gotta say that I agree with Student - its mostly a weird parallel universe in which saying naughty words and scatological humor are interpreted as sighs on the "maturity" their members have. I believe I shall not be visiting Desp often. Surely it is better this way. I prefer a more open environment in which we can all converse, they prefer a more closed environment. We live and let live.

One post on Desp did make me happy. I'm really glad that Kel finally posted an angry rebuttal against TM rising to the level of viciousness routinely used against him. My experience has been that TM is a bully. He expresses disdain for those with whom he disagrees (about anything, game preferences, politics, whatever). He often crosses the line by making this disdain abusive, if colorful. I don't think we should excuse such behavior as "that's just TM" and go about our merry ways. And none have been more consistently and viciously the subject of this abuse than Kel.

So Kel - I salute you. You didn't ask to be the target of such nonsense, and you deserve better.

Z

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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

A few years back, there was a relatively well-known SW member who informed me that Desperance was Satanic and that "djur is the anti-christ."
I suspect he failed to grasp the irony of telling you that.

Are you going to put a name to that member? ^_^

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 21:59: Message edited by: Albus Dumbledore ]

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It was johnnyfeds, and he didn't know 'mboehx' was me. For several weeks, he regaled me with his conspiracy theories about... me. It was fun.

Zorro: A more open environment due to arbitrary restrictions. Also, war is peace and lies are true. Water is surprisingly dry and the Pope is a well-respected Protestant.

Jewels of the Forest: Who the hell are you? Was I talking to you? Are you self-identifying as a piss fiend? Man, that's courageous of you.

Salmon: God damn it, Desperance is not a place for people to "air their grievances" about Spiderweb. It is its own community, and this recent spill-over is highly unwanted.
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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

Jewels of the Forest: Who the hell are you? Was I talking to you? Are you self-identifying as a piss fiend? Man, that's courageous of you.
JotF is Gizmo. I hope that answers your other questions as well.

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I wasn't even talking to her. I don't care about what fundamentalist Christians want to spew on their husbands' dicks in the privacy of their own homes. "Piss fiend" is a generic in this case. In any case, a piss fiend has to want to drink the urine or at least splash it all over their fat round face.

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 22:30: Message edited by: Andrea ]
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Well, the above post contained at least one sentence that I don't imagine I shall ever hear again in my life.

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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:



Zorro: A more open environment due to arbitrary restrictions. Also, war is peace and lies are true. Water is surprisingly dry and the Pope is a well-respected Protestant.


That's an odd way to describe what I said. Surely you agree that in a community it is desirable to have some restrictions on the actions of members in order to escape the Hobbesian state of nature. The whole "my right to swing my fist ends at the beginning of your nose" and all that. Further, the whole premise of modern sexual harassment laws rest of this assumption. It isn't a balance between a woman's right to experience a harassment-free workplace and someone else's right to talk dirty to her. It comes from the fundamental belief that, in the workplace context, everybody has the right to be free of harassment, and this right is obtained by a small social contract in which we agree not to harass others in exchange for not being harassed ourselves.

This isn't a binary issue - either absolute freedom to do anything you want or tyranny. There is a continuum of these freedoms that are sometimes more formal and restriction, and sometimes less so.

Besides, what is it, exactly, that you're so interested in doing here in the SW boards that you can't do? I've seen people post scathing critiques of Jeff Vogel on his own company board. I've seen people routinely abuse the SW games. What political posts have ever been censured? The only thing I can see that exists on Desp that doesn't exist on SW are posting pictures of **** and some of the most colorful language I've ever read. And is it that much of an infringement on your right to post pictures of **** to, in return, receive a service upon which to speak with others that share your interests, and not have to worry that the next message list might contain a picture that will make you vomit? And, lest we forget, the cost of the service is paid by the company we sometimes critique.

And if you don't think that those activities of which some Desp members seem so fond DON'T harass others and drive them away, then I really don't see how we can continue this conversation. I come to these boards for some information about SW games, some humor and occasionally interesting discussions. How likely am I to get that if a group of "mature" posters spam the boards with grotesque images? Besides, you've got your own board over there! Enjoy it and all the scatological humor you can muster. If you then want to skulk off in your littler corner of the internet and question the sexuality of the posters that prefer this board, that's your business. But let's be real here, you're behaving like a temperamental child who is upset at the "unfairness" of it all. The moderators here have explicitly laid down the rules for use of this board.

All I can say is welcome to the real world, kid.

Z

[ Wednesday, July 20, 2005 23:13: Message edited by: Zorro ]

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I think the dictionary just found a new definition of the word "pompous."

If you haven't noticed (and, considering your recent vintage, it wouldn't surprise me if you haven't), I do not frequent these forums and have not for some time. I was simply alerted to a particularly scurrilious slander and decided to show up for a short period to say "**** you and lick dick."

I actually don't care whether we drive people away. I've seen what happens when you get a lot of members of an online community -- this is one example, Something Awful is another, OMG Jeremy is yet another. I would prefer to keep what I call the worthless wanker quotient at a minimum.

Protection of political speech on a forum is fine. That isn't really my concern, though. I don't ascribe any high-minded ideals to Desperance. It's just a place where some friends talk and enjoy themselves and read my and Alec's pretentious articles. It's a base camp for the online activities of a number of people. That's all. I don't tout it as a wonderful Shangri-La of free expression and open debate because there's already enough of those and also because I am not a pompous dickweed, son.
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You know, Djur, just because SW's invaded Desp lately doesn't mean Desp has to invade back.

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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

spew on their husbands' dicks ... "Piss fiend" is a generic in this case. ... a piss fiend has to want to drink the urine or at least splash it all over their fat round face.
Frankie Vellum didn't get away with this. I don't advocate that Andrea does not either, but... tune it down a notch.

There's a reason I only visit Desp at home. I don't want that same reason turning up on SW.
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Lack of Vision
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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

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Protection of political speech on a forum is fine. That isn't really my concern, though. I don't ascribe any high-minded ideals to Desperance. It's just a place where some friends talk and enjoy themselves and read my and Alec's pretentious articles. It's a base camp for the online activities of a number of people. That's all. I don't tout it as a wonderful Shangri-La of free expression and open debate because there's already enough of those and also because I am not a pompous dickweed, son.

But you've conveniently sidestepped the issue. What is it you can't do on these boards, besides use naughty language? That was Student's astute observation of your little base camp, and I found it to be largely accurate when I visited your boards.

Your response to my post was that "freedom" was being stifled by the rules of the CoC (by comparing my comment about open discussion to Orwellian doublespeak). Give me ONE example of an offense that did not stem from either silly (admittedly, creative) invective or abuse of a member! Give me ONE example of this censorship that your find intolerable, and I'll concede there is some merit to what you said.

Your second response is that you never said anything about freedom, and you're just enjoying a nice little chat room with your friends where you can talk as rough and dirty as you like. Fine, but then you've conceded mine and Student's point - you're beef is not being able to say naughty words.

Z

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