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The difference in rules isn't the major difference between the two communities. It's not about what people can do at one community and not at the other, it's about what they actually do. Some people prefer Desp because of the members who are active on Desp and not on SW and, just as importantly, those who are active on SW and not on Desp. Basically, the beef of many Despers with SW is that it's just too crowded.

Let me put it this way. Suppose there's an airline service which offers first-class and economy-class tickets. The first-class section has bigger seats and fewer passengers in it. Also, the flight attendants turn a blind eye if a couple of the passengers want to join the mile high club behind a conveniently-placed curtain. Some people buy first-class tickets for the fornication, others are just there for the roomy seating, or to avoid mixing with the unwashed masses.

[ Thursday, July 21, 2005 02:03: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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My dear Thuryl,
what do we huddled spiderweb-masses in the economy class have to expect from a desperate first class passenger who is going to moderate our forum?

A brilliant debater and knowledgeable contributor you are, imho, - but was I really going to vote for you as a moderator?
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I'm merely stating how some on Desperance view the SW community; by no means do I share that opinion. Of course, SW has its share of troublemaking members, but so does Desp. I don't believe that any of the facts I've raised are in dispute: compared to SW, Desp has a smaller, tighter community of members and a different membership demographic in addition to a different set of rules. As such, it's understandable that some people prefer the community dynamic of Desp to that of SW. Personally, I have nothing against SW -- after all, I'm still here, aren't I?

[ Thursday, July 21, 2005 02:02: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Vote for the lizard! If you don't vote for a lizard, the wrong lizard might get in! :rolleyes:

Unfortunately, Polaris and Desperance agree on one thing - Spiderweb is a lesser place. And yet, the popular candidates were all either Despers or Polarans. The lizards rule the people.
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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

The difference in rules isn't the major difference between the two communities. It's not about what people can do at one community and not at the other, it's about what they actually do. Some people prefer Desp because of the members who are active on Desp and not on SW and, just as importantly, those who are active on SW and not on Desp. Basically, the beef of many Despers with SW is that it's just too crowded.

Fair enough - if people want to create there own sub-communities, or entirely new communities, I obviously see no problem. I think your metaphor might have been more appropriate had it discussed it in terms of rural/urban divide regarding preference, but your point stands, and stands well.

However, not to put too fine a point on it - I was responding to a post that compared by comment about minor rules of conduct making a large, complex board workable, to Owellian doublespeak. I disagree with that characterization, and it is misleading and best, self-serving and silly at worst. The reason for this is precisely because the rules are NOT the real reason that some people created desp.

Truth be told, I never really wanted to contribute to this debate. My interactions with people like Djur have left me feeling they're like a cross between a hermit and a rabid wolverine - best left alone. However, Djur was the one who came on this board and started calling us all stooges to the CoC and "penis-weeds". I've seen this kind of behavior before from TM, and I think it is only appropriate that we call them on their BS - especially when they come to a board they claim not to like, insult people they don't know, and then act offended (and claim this validates their point about us being stooges to the CoC) when people tell them this behavior is inappropriate.

I didn't go over to their board and insult five people in four posts. And I may agree with the previous poster - if your comment is intended to be a justification for their behavior on THIS board.

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Oh, Djur's not offended. I suspect he's having great fun reading your posts. If he really bothers you that much, it's probably best to ignore him until he goes away again.

By the way, the reason for Djur's latest visit to SW is that although you personally haven't come over to Desp to insult anyone, the ugliness surrounding the SW mod election has spilled over to Desp and Djur's none too happy about it. Whatever else may be said about his reaction, it's understandable. Which is not to say that it's acceptable, but since there's not a whole lot you can do to stop it, perhaps it's best to pass over it in silence.

[ Thursday, July 21, 2005 02:22: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

Oh, Djur's not offended. I suspect he's having great fun reading your posts. If he really bothers you that much, it's probably best to ignore him until he goes away again.

By the way, the reason for Djur's latest visit to SW is that although you personally haven't come over to Desp to insult anyone, the ugliness surrounding the SW mod election has spilled over to Desp and Djur's none too happy about it. Whatever else may be said about his reaction, it's understandable. Which is not to say that it's acceptable, but since there's not a whole lot you can do to stop it, perhaps it's best to pass over it in silence.

I must say I find TM was contributing more positively to Spiderweb than Djur is. And yet, TM is banned while Djur's outbursts are to be "passed over in silence"...
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You will note that neither you nor I have any real power to discipline members. I don't presume to tell the admins what they should or shouldn't do with Djur (although if any ban is considered, perhaps his prior ban for posting a dictionary definition should count as credit for time served).

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I'm so sorry that I'm not awake at 3/4 in the morning. I'm so sorry that you've had to live with these horrible posts for five hours.

I want this discussion to continue, because I think that this sort of thing is important. That having been said, Djur, please tone down the language and obscenities.

I enjoy desperance because of all the people I used to see at Spidweb and don't anymore, although desperance used to be a lot more light-hearted (think a strangely similar atmosphere to RWG). I like Polaris mainly because of the RPs and the Debate. But neither has the excitement of spidweb, with its huge amount of opinions, people, and perspectives. And that's why I love it here.

[ Thursday, July 21, 2005 03:41: Message edited by: Drakefyre ]

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Drakey, if the first part of that was directed at me, I do apologise. I hope I didn't step out of line. It wasn't my attention to criticise anyone, especially not you.

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No, it was not directed at you.

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quote:
But neither has the excitement of spidweb, with its huge amount of opinions, people, and perspectives. And that's why I love it here.[/QB]
I'm sayin'!

SW should be a colony to no-one, neither Desperance nor Polaris - it is a community in its own right, larger and more diverse than both put together, and a lot more open.
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Why is there a constant need amoung some people to post all of these "words" in the first place? What's so hard about refraining from that kind of thing and expressing your complaints, comments, etc. in a more polite and kind way?

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Aww, Djur, you must slow down and look at the details. Sapphire is very prominent in my profile. But where has your sense of humor gone? I was just sayin' hi. But I surmise from the twisted knife and the multitued of other bludgenings that you are not in the mood to chat. I will go haunt Spiderweb elsewhere and leave you alone.

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Originally written by Andrea:


Salmon: God damn it, Desperance is not a place for people to "air their grievances" about Spiderweb. It is its own community, and this recent spill-over is highly unwanted.

Wow, someone's a little touchy today. I'm pretty sure I didn't mention Spiderweb specifically, but you seem keen on it. If that is your sore spot, then talk to Alec and TM about it. I was more speaking of other threads where you rail against the universe because googling certain things resulted in some amount of results. Sure I found it humorous, but it seemed like everything is a complaint. Paypal, XP, Squidi. Are you even capable of seeing that? If your backyard is getting filled with SW references, tell your members to shut up about it. Don't come here and blame us for making it uncomfortable for TM to swear in an admittedly chaste environment.

I do admire your bravado, blithely coming here and doing the exact thing that you are complaining about. That takes some major shortsightedness.

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Djur is thoroughly ticked. For the reasons Thuryl mentioned, it's somewhat understandable. He won't be sticking around, at any rate. Banning him would have little effect. He's not coming back if he can help it.

All this election rancor has really gotten some of us out-of-sorts. I personally apologize if I've been a little aggressive and quick to judge in some cases, especially in this thread. My speculations regarding Kel's motives and questioning of Ash's honesty were both ill-advised. I pledge to be more patient, well-informed, and discerning in the future.

With regard to Desp, I concur with Thuryl. I am also a regular member at Desp, and enjoy the presence of several quirky types who won't come around here anymore. The close community element is nice, and the shared lexicon and inside jokes foster a comfortable environment. I'll loosen up a bit and not worry about being as prim and proper as I am around here.

I do tend to spend more time on SW, though. It's more active, there's a greater diversity of opinions and experiences, and that makes for quite a bit of excitement.

So when I feel like perking up a bit and need to use up some time, I hit up SW. When I'm in the mood for a bit of chill time with pals, I steer away from the occasional tedium of SW and spend some time at Desp. I've found that my dual membership satisfies me like no amount of time spent at either forum by itself would.

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Well, Kel and Alec appear to have apologized to one another and don't seem to be at each other's throats anymore, so I ask that we let this whole issue die before Djur has a hernia.
That is all.

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quote:
Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

I think it is nice that people that felt/feel alienated from sw have a place to air their grievances in a colorful manner...

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Man, I haven't seen member number 39 in a while. Djur had already switched accounts by the time I showed up.

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One time during my period of intense community research, I read through the mock farewell thread that Djur posted when he first stopped using this account. In it, he went through a list of several of the active members of the time, with some "last words" for each of them. It seemed like a genuine departure thread, until I noticed that Djur had registered a new account that very day (with a moniker beginning in "O Nascimiento," I believe) and posted with it only a few posts down from the original post. It was quite a hilarious departure farce, to be sure.

His original account had been left at an even 1000 posts right up to this point. Funny that he would use his original account in this thread and not the three-thousand something account he was using when he quit SW.

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quote:
Originally written by Mister Maoben:

Why is there a constant need amoung some people to post all of these "words" in the first place? What's so hard about refraining from that kind of thing and expressing your complaints, comments, etc. in a more polite and kind way?
Less fun that way, I'd assume. Of course, there is such a thing as taking it too far.

Djur, your motivation is completely reasonable but your method of dealing with it will only make it worse. Regardless of your feelings towards Spiderweb in general, you're better off dealing with this at home, where the problem is rooted, rather than here, where it is reflected. If you care so little for us and have such a low opinion, why do you even bother? You'll have no more luck arguing with Trinity, Salmon and co. than they'll have arguing with you. I'd thought your presence could bring only a refreshing change from the pompous, self-aggrandizing immaturity of Alec and TM, but it seems I may have been wrong. If you are indeed not offended as Thuryl says, then why do you continue in this vein? And if you are truly offended and ticked as the evidence indicates, I can hardly see why. Bit of a double standard you're bearing, there, isn't it? You (including Desp in general) can't expect to receive in return any more than you give.

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quote:
Originally written by Andrea:

quote:
Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

I think it is nice that people that felt/feel alienated from sw have a place to air their grievances in a colorful manner...

I am pleased that you have mastered the quote function, especially as it refreshes my memory. Perhaps you got so wrapped up in proving some misguided point that you neglected to read the parts where I described in desperate detail the specific grievances. But as it has been noted, you may prefer it that way.
I guess I was wrong about one thing though, desperence is not solely made up of spiderwebbers. I beg your forgiveness, and offer the excuse that there does seem to be a fair number of folks having accounts on both boards.

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