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Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #110
I like precision, David. So everyone who does not believe that God abhors homosexuality is a non-believer?

More precise, everyone who believes in a loving, accepting and acknowledging God is a non-believer?

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #108
But you did offend me. Though that's not the point. The point is: why should a gay person wish to be heterosexual?

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Silver Inn v2.0 in General
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Profile #474
"Stop that running. We don't hide in the city keep, and I'm not reigning royalty. I'm ef. So everybody to me, I'll surround us with an invisibility spell. Archmage, Firedrake fights at the rear, put a line of undead between him and the archers to give him some space. And refresh the ghouls at the gate, they've been diminished. Let me through. I don't like to use it, but I'm going to put a Terror Spell on the enemy troops. See - works well. We are well hidden - attack, Wise Man."

"Hey, you, get Sullust, I need his peculiar abilities. Tell him it's that or death for everyone."

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #104
David, your story worries me because of your obvious fear of damnation. What kind of God do you believe in, who cannot love you as you are? A God who judges and damns does not deserve your trust. He is not worthy.

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Polaris
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Somebody Set Me up the Bomb in General
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Profile #8
Oh I see. Last time I managed to log in was around 12 noon your time. When I tried later on all was so weird that I logged out again.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Somebody Set Me up the Bomb in General
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Profile #6
Hopefully, Alorael - because I've been logged in for a long while and don't see my name in the visitor's list. But I do see all topics in General, so what got lost?

Oh, name appeared

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Polaris
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Somebody Set Me up the Bomb in General
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Profile #3
Hey, trouble is over!

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Polaris
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A free GIF-animator. in General
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See gremlin topic: Gif-Animators

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
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Profile #89
David, do you realize, that there is more than a touch of inquisition at the root of your post?

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Polaris
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Religions, as we know them in the west, are connected with patriarchic power patterns and show these patterns in their institutions. They are originally spiritual movements that have become hierarchic and centralistic with priests who alone know and teach the "true" word of God.

Current archeology (Maria Gimbutas, Heide Göttner-Abendroth) shows that they were predeceded by matrilinear societies which had not known such institutionalization. Their spirituality refered to the everyday experience of nature and communication with beings and things, which all represented divine energy.

Meaning that those societies did not know faith. You need faith only to believe in something that you cannot see, prove, touch or recognize yourself.

That is also interesting insofar, as those communities did not look upon nature as an object that could be studied, controlled and used, instead had an I - You relationship with their environment on a very subjective and personal level.

Many of our current problems are due to our lost capability to interrelate in a similar fashion, to our tendency to turn everything into objects for study, judgement or control: nature, nations, people who think differently, believers, nonbelievers, etc.

I have that precious utopy that the best of both worlds may somewhen try a synthesis.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #72
David, we probably would not agree on the meaning of the word 'legitimacy'.
Though the bible is decidedly patriarchal, my version seems to be very different from yours.

Hawkgirl: Do you know, why Lilith left Adam? It was because she didn't agree with the 'missionary position'. I'm quite serious here.

As to Genesis it may perhaps be of interest that the serpent was worshipped in Palestine long before Jahwe. The early Hebrews participated in that cult, their priests called themselves "Sons of the great Serpent Leviathan". The Leviathan was worshipped together with his Goddess, "the Moon". Hebrew coins from the first and second centaury before Christ still show Jahwe as a serpent-god.

It is also interesting that the persian "pairidaeza" (paradise) was a miraculous garden, in which the tree of life grew with its fruits of immortality. The hebrew word "pardes" means "garden" and has the same root. But "pairidaeza" was also the divine virgin, who gave birth to the divine child - the persian variation of the egyptian Isis (Horuschild) and the biblical Mary. That double vision of the paradise as a garden and the garden as the female body can be found in the symbolism of many religions.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
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quote:
why is Genesis even there?
from www.lilitu.com/lilith:

Explanation number one is perhaps the best—Qabalistically speaking. As we know, Adam was created to perfection. He was created in the perfect image of "Elohim." Of course, God is not seen as being either male or female, but as both at once. Even the Name Elohim is a feminine word (Eloah—Goddess) with a masculine plural suffix. Thus, if God is male and female, the mother and the father, then Adam (which translates as "Mankind") must also have originally been male and female in one. To be otherwise would have been to be unbalanced, and thus imperfect.

And thus was Adam's perfection, said to be even greater than the Angels. In fact, in this view, Adam was not a human at all—but a Cosmic Being known as Adam Kadmon. He was the Archetype upon which humans would later be based.

Now, enters the passages from Genesis II. Just as the Unity of God was divided in two (the separation of the Waters by the Firmament) to create the Universe, so too was mankind created by the separation of the Archetypal Man into "its" two halves—male and female. Thus, woman was separated from man, and Adam Kadmon became an unbalanced creature—a human. This imperfection finally led to the Fall, the manifestation of the Human Race from Archetypal to the Actual. The woman was called Eve, which literally translates as "Life." Mankind was given Life, and the rest is history.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #60
The tale of Lilith originates in a medieval work called "the Alphabet of Ben-Sira," a work whose relationship to the conventional streams of Judaism is, to say the least, problematic.

The difficulty with Genesis I and II is that they are two different creation myths. As far as we know, Genesis II derived from sumerian origins, while Genesis I was added later (around 700 BC) by the Hebrew Priesthood.

There are references to demonic creatures called Lili or Lilu in the sumerian traditions, but the full story of Lilith comes from Ben-Sira (somewhen between 600 and 1000 AC).

Liliths notorious fame is due to her insistence on being equal to Adam (won't go into details here). When Adam protested, she went to the Lord God, got his secret name out of him, and calling that out loud, was able to leave the Garden Eden. Though enforcer angels were sent after her to bring her back (Adam had started to miss her), her threat of harming women in childbed was dire enough for the Lord to decide to let her be.

[ Sunday, May 25, 2003 13:44: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
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Poll for Atheists and Agnostics... in General
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Profile #65
Rent Boy, I beg to differ. Noone should be ridiculed for what s/he believes or does not believe in.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
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Profile #56
Why is that blown so out of proportion? I mean, it made sense when that small nomadic tribe put a ban on homosexuality, as they probably needed children and infant mortality was high. No great surprise that the priests came up with a ban to ensure survival.

But thousands of years afterwards, should not our changed circumstances be taken into consideration?

X, Adam had a first wife, Lilith.

[ Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:30: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Silver Inn v2.0 in General
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Profile #465
"Okay, let's see what I can come up with. I know you don't use magic, Wise Man, but 'Divine Warrior' won't hurt you, nor Ryan, nor your companion." ef put the spell on all three, then sent a war blessing out to the archers. Searching for Firedrake in her mind, she found she could contact him, 'Divine Warrior' went to him as well.

"That's something, but not enough. Archmage Alex, create illusions. Let there be an army in front of the city gates."

The Archmage started murmuring spells and an army of monsters and undead appeared out of nowhere, wreaking havoc among the empire soldiers, who confronted this evil with fear and dismay.

The archers, greatly heartened, doubled their efforts.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Announcement on the status of Scorpius and Ed Lemur in General
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Profile #51
The trouble starts right at the beginning of Genesis. "God" is a translation of "elohim" which is the plural form of "eloha".

"eloha" meaning "God", "elohim" meaning "Gods" and also sometimes "The supreme God". But you cannot have a supreme God without having lesser Gods. So this seems to point to a time where a pantheon of gods still existed.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
know any good rpg's like avernum? in General
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Profile #8
Age of Wonders Demo

It is strategy, yes, but also roleplaying. I liked flying on eagles. It is a game for windows though.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
know any good rpg's like avernum? in General
Guardian
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Profile #4
Age of Wonders - Zephyr, you are right. I've almost forgotten about it, but I once played a demo and liked it very well. What were those hobbit-like creatures called that raised eagles and could fly on them?

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Silver Inn v2.0 in General
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Profile #460
OOC: Archmage, your esoteric studies make you rather absent-minded. We sailed to the continent of Aizo in a ship. We used that same ship to sail to Coronis to help the refugees there. Now we are partaking in a battle against the imperial forces under General Lewis.

We are in Aizo, because our enemy ring meets here in one of the palaces of the imperial ruler. At least that's what we thought. Though it was a trap. The enemy ring was there to distract us.

It's General Lewis who tries to outsmart us, because he wants all power, and the regent was on his side. Ilofekh assassinated the regent and made it appear, as if Lewis murdered him. Now we fight our way through to the capital, where we hope to meet Ilofekh, who might explain a bit more. Looks to me, as if he will be the next ruler.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Have u made any graemlins? in General
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Profile #8
Mmh, I can download it without problems. I'm just doing that. It's not that large, just 1.75MB. So if anyone wants it, tell me and I e-mail it to you. It's a very good program.

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
Have u made any graemlins? in General
Guardian
Member # 2476
Profile #4
The Ulead GIF Animator Lite is freeware. I cannot find it on the Ulead page, but can give you a german download URL, if you want to have it.(the program itself is in english, not to worry)

Ulead GIF Animator Lite

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
New Silver Inn v2.0 in General
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Profile #457
"Wise Man, step in for Mars and cover Firedrake's retreat, will you. Take that Ryan guy with you. Sullust and I cover this end."

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
The ever classic "what did you have for dinner" topic in General
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Profile #6
Curd cheese is protein (don't know, if the translation is correct, it's something similar to cottage cheese)

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Polaris
Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00
The ever classic "what did you have for dinner" topic in General
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Curd cheese, spiced potatoes and a mixed salad.

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Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00

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