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| Canopy - ARRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!! in Blades of Avernum | |
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written Friday, May 13 2005 01:20
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It is not that hard. I defeated it with a 48th level singleton. Here goes. War Blessing level 3-4, Radiant Shield, Enduring Barrier and heroic brew or resistance potion. The heroic brew build up the resistance enough to take it out. This thing has to be hit in close with melee weapons multiple times that do more than 100 damage-- Spear of Khalthass, or Manslaughter for example. Now, what was hard was killing General Shroud with a singleton. This took me about 15 tries. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 15:13
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How amusing. BOE supports communism. I don't think the type of government in Blades of Exile is ever described for the different races of creatures. The empire is described as an empire-- basically a cross between a monarchy and an imperial bureaucracy-- it looks similar to the Byzantine bureaucracies by the way. It would be funny to see a slith say; Hi, I'm a slith here is my hammer and sickle. Honestly, I don't think it supports communism. There is no mention whatsoever of the type of government which the rebels have. I don't think they are even aware what democracy, communism, direct democracy, or any other type of government is. I saw four forms of government in Avernum-- monarchy, tribalism, elected council, and a wierd form of Vahnati government. Maybe the Trogs have a religious government. I do not think they are even aware what an election is. Maybe TM being a communist might make it a communist game, but even that is stretching it... Hah :P One more: 1) They eat everything in their path horde. Toxic monsters that destroy structures eat all living things including the grass they walk on turning everything into toxic desert. [ Friday, May 13, 2005 07:49: Message edited by: Duke of Toast ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 14:03
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Hi all, Sigh, looking for more reading material again. I just finished reading On Bull**** by Harry G. Frankfurt; an excellent treatise on the meaning of bull****. Highly recommended for spiderwebbers and only 67 pages long. Also just read Andreas Eschbach -- The Carpet Makers an interesting piece of science fiction. I am waiting for my local library system to get The Way To Glory by David Drake. Anything which you are enjoying reading lately? Looking for a few things to try. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 11:35
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Time to beat my undead horse. 1) It came from the sea-- the amphibious hordes-- deep ones, shark men, etc. 2) Minions of the witch queen. Endless hordes mutant monsters ruled by a super witch. This one has been done, except for the witch queen part. Cresent valley is almost there. 3)The moving horde. It goes as groups of six or seven monster encounters at one time in progression heading towards towns. Ants, etc. 4) Vengeful livestock. Chickens, pigs, horses, riding lizards on the rampage. [ Wednesday, May 11, 2005 13:31: Message edited by: Duke of Toast ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 05:36
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Alright, for something new. 1) Patchwork critters sewn together and animated by a group of insane mages-- rampaging through the countryside. 2) A slime plague which is systematically destroying the countryside, radiating out from a central point. Everything it eats turns into monsters... All are part of the super slime. Ah well, I think its enough. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 11 2005 02:09
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Let me see here are a few: 1) Giant insects-- null bugs, chitrach and giant spiders-- aranea. 2) Troll hordes. 3) Goblin hordes. 4) Alien beast hordes. 5) Demons. 6) Nephil and slith barbarians. 7) Bandits. 8) Evil forests-- evil treants, giant wolves, slithering bushes, etc. :P 9) The unseely court. 10) Golem armies. 11) Conquerors from another world. 12) Mutant or mind controlled hordes of creatures. Controlled by the evil slime lord or mind beasts. [ Wednesday, May 11, 2005 02:12: Message edited by: Duke of Toast ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 9 2005 17:23
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Rap that partridge in a piece of tin foil and put it on top of the engine and you have some road kill cuisine. Yum. :P -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 9 2005 16:13
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Here goes. The reason for suspended animation would be more plausible if you had an incurable condition where it was close to a medical cure. Ice the person-- slow them down until the cure comes along. 5-10 years. I can think the main reason would be historical curiosity. You could ask a person what happened when. The person would be like a disney exhibit or a theme park person like see the primitive American exhibit. Not very many people would be revived for this. By the time they were going to revive you from the dead most likely your money and form of exchange would be useless. They might even have a completely different exchange system than money. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, May 8 2005 04:35
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There are numerous counterarguments about homosexuality being genetic. People don't fall into either being gay or not gay a lot of the time. There are people who are bisexual-- who because of social pressure will identify as being gay or not gay. This would automatically cause lots of trouble for this kind of ruling. They are not going to identify themselves. Also many people who claim to be heterosexual occasionally step outside what they are supposed to do. Kinsey uses a scale of sexual preference-- being more or less inclined toward either sex-- it varies hugely. Another problem is cultural. In Brazil for example the guy who is on top; acting dominantly is often not considered homosexual. This is a sophism. Also in the mind of some people if they guy dresses up as a woman -- they just consider him to be a woman. Another sophism. So it would be very hard to enforce this. It may be genetic for different people to have a different range of preferences. People will hate me for this, but the gay not gay thing is very cultural. The Spartans had families with children but preferred men for example. This was also true of certain groups of Athenians. No, not a psychology student, I just read a huge amount about everything. [ Sunday, May 08, 2005 05:32: Message edited by: Duke of Toast ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, May 7 2005 05:57
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Beta NDA-- Beta Nondisclosure Agreement for what game. I am curious. Please do tell. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Friday, May 6 2005 11:31
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Who is going to admit that they did this? I think that it would be next to impossible to find this out. This article is referring to anonymous donors. People can and will tell you almost anything if they have anonymity. They also will lie blatantly. It is an unenforceable ruling. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
| Scenarios in Development in Blades of Avernum | |
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written Thursday, May 5 2005 08:10
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Undead Valley by Archmagi Micael is finished. It is playable now. Looking forward to Demon Slayers scenario. Terrors Martyr-- Should have a new scenario out soon for betatesting-- Mad Ambition. Who is working on scenarios for the June contest? I am curious. The deadline for the scenario contest is June 1, 2005. Something to consider is that to properly test a scenario with betatesters it takes at least two weeks. This means that by May 15, 2005 a lot of the scenarios for the contest should start being betatested... So get ready. Hopefully, a bunch more will be coming soon. There were others in development: Dahak-- Longshanks Retr-O-- Saint Brevity and the Oochie squad -- getting a copy of both Windows BOA and Mac BOA to make conversion easier. Arpeggiator-- Chronicle-- aiming to create it for contest in June. Basing it on a book. Aquila-- Botanical Story Supanik-- "The Demon Star" Overwhelming-- Roussa JadeWolf-- Black Valley Solodric-- Archmage Ascension Hawk King- The Way of the Guild Guardian of Eternity-- Evil East Milu-- Nephil Mountains Arancaytar-- Eye of the Storm Spineraker-- Hybrid Child WildKarrdeSmuggler-- Magi -- beta testing should start in a week. Archmagi Micael-- Maze. Please make it about three towns. Allow for a few resting spots like the empty dragons lair in Basshikava. Asphalt of Apathy-- working on three separate scenarios, Butrous Galli, Phish Phlot, Poit, Venom, , and Killercrono were working on unspecified works. Niemand-- Is working on a scenario with a ship in it. He uses wooden walls, wooden floors and cliffs for the boat. He also has modified the mad monk graphic for sailors. Jonah Zolohahni-- might be starting another one. (corrected) glompingKhoth-- 1st- 5th level scenario. YeahThatGuy-- working on a stealth style scenario based on assassinating a leader. MikeS-- Working on a complete remake of Wizardry 1. Terrors Martyr-- requesting graphics for new scenario-- Day of the Ursidae. Level 8-16 party. Characters will be Ursagi, graphics switch on party. Also asked for soldier graphics, graphic of a car, graphics of an armored vehicle-- for a Cityscape Scenario. Lynkfox-- mentioned was working on mob graphics for a new scenario with his girlfriend. ALso trying to figure out how to limit magic. Smoo-- Is working on another one ( 30th level and up). Arrna-- has a few ideas for scenarios. Aliklik-- Level 60+ scenario. Yeoman Cheesemonger-- Level 60-80 Scenario Hopefully with a little encouragement we can beat the statistic of 4/24 and make 6-8/24 :P [ Wednesday, May 25, 2005 15:53: Message edited by: I'll Steal Your Toast ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
| DO YOU WANT TO BE A TESTER? - Undead Valley Testing 9.0 in Blades of Avernum | |
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 16:25
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Hi, all, I am not going to do a round of testing, but I will give you a few pointers that may help out with Micael's scenario. 1) He needs to learn how to make some original monsters. All of the monsters are upgrades of previous monsters. 2) He needs to learn how to give items special abilities. Part of the problem with the superpowerful items, is they have super damage, but give no special bonuses. You could reduce the damage of the items considerably and add a few special abilities. Also he needs to give the thrown missiles special abilities. Skeletons throwing iron javelins just doesn't work against 50th level characters--- acid javelins and pilum would. I had asked earlier about giving the vahnati flaming razor disks, poison razor disks, and diamond edged razor disks. The vahnati thrown missiles aren't very effective in this scenario. I asked Micael about this. Also try to put in a few items that are non-damaging that would be useful. Earlier I had asked about Swamp boots 1-3+5 protection +10% resistance to illness +2 Pathfinder. 3) I liked the undead gauntlet-- using the idea of crossfire ruby skeletons with icy skeletons with advancing monsters. This could be greatly improved. What would make it really challenging is to put some spawning platforms in it. 4) I liked the bridge fight, but it is repetitive, there needs to be a greater variety of creatures on the bridge. 5) The hidden city gives away way too much stuff. I had asked earlier if he could do a series of 3-4 simple puzzles, tests, or riddles to get some of the stuff. Simple straightforward stuff no mirrors. These are a few thoughts. I will play the final version when it is released. [ Thursday, May 05, 2005 01:18: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 13:57
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India has a very successful biogas program based on fermenting cow manure. I think there are some 2 million small fermentation gas plants. Basically a large fermentation drum about the size of a house water tank. It is a very interesting program. It works well in a rural setting. http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so191/SouthAsReadings/IndiaEnergySuccess.html -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, May 4 2005 09:23
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There is of course that other source of biomass. Don't forget turkey and elephant power. Elephant dung power. http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-waste04.html Turkey power. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6725508/ -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 09:57
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Solaria should be changed under direction of her most honorable virtuous blessed hand, Empress Prazac. I vote for Prazacopolis. City of the empress. Queen of Heaven. Her most munificient benefactress. Bearer of the Golden Orb of Thralni. Holder of the Mithril Throne. All kneel before her blood red mantle. [ Wednesday, May 04, 2005 01:09: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 01:13
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Reparations simply are not going to happen. People have fantasies about it. I'll get money because my great great grandmother was a slave and I deserve land and tax breaks because of it. Not going to happen. It would require free land that could be given away. The government isn't about to give land or cash away. Affirmative action is a necessity because of unequal treatment. It does not just apply to schools and work. Where it is most overlooked is the ability to get loans and money to start businesses and build homes. For a long time capital simply was not available for minorities to start a business or build a home. Banks discriminated heavily in who could get money. Right now, based on statistics minorities pay higher interest rates on home, car, and business loans. This led to incredible inequities. Outsiders owning the businesses and land in poor neighborhoods and not bothering to renovate or maintain them because of low rents. What a misnomer. Drugs are not an easy way to make money. The smarts ones make the money then move sideways into real estate or business. It takes brains to run both a business and a drug operation at the same time. However, most believe they are smart and end up in jail or dead. Every year increases your chance of getting caught. The more flamboyant, the greater the target. The other fast money is jewelry (gem merchants) , gun sales, real estate and law. There is another one-- appraisal of high value items-- commercial real estate, antiques, etc. But this takes time and apprenticeship. [ Monday, May 02, 2005 05:42: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, May 1 2005 10:54
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Take the courses before you decide. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Sunday, May 1 2005 07:32
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Ethanol fuel cells would make an ideal highly reliable form of fixed energy installation. The reliability of fuel cells is incredible-- something like 99.999% or about 1 minute downtime in 6 years. Thus you would have no blackouts, no brownouts and an incredibly steady supply of energy for the grid. There would be no pollution. Because fuel cells stack and can be redistributed easily, they are highly secure, and can be distributed quickly and easily to portions of the energy grid where they are needed. I think they represent an ideal source of fixed power, not so much automotive power. If cellulosic ethanol is proven viable we would not have to use agricultural land, but could use biomass with low water requirements that was grown on marginal land -- switchgrass. http://www.fuelcells.org/basics/benefits.html [ Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:59: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, April 30 2005 11:23
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This actually could be more accurate than the Lyceum because it doesn't require anyone to write up each scenario individual. It is plug and play. I voted Backwater Calls. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, April 30 2005 06:50
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Gilgamesh had to fight a "demon" in the forest. I don't know if it was going to destroy the world. But it might have tried to destroy his world. There are pieces of the tablets missing before and after he fights the demon with the help of Enkidu. There is also the concept of Ragnarok, the final battle which will destroy the world in Norse mythology. [ Saturday, April 30, 2005 06:52: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 28 2005 14:18
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I think space elevator commercialization will be ready in 25- 30 years-- our lifetime possibly sooner. http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3225664&nav=0RaPYnX7 If several space elevators are built solar power satellites would become a viable energy source. The cost of transporting materials would be greatly reduced. Another myth I am seeing on this forum is that it requires coal and petroleum to produce ethanol. Somehow ethanol is not an efficient source of energy. The ratio of energy put in to taken out is 4:1 four times as much energy is taken out of the production of ethanol than is put in. There is nothing that says you must use petroleum and coal to produce ethanol. Because a lot more energy is taken out than put back in-- it is possible to use some of the biodiesel, ethanol, or methanol which is produced to power the production process. Corn is not the only crop which can be used to produce biomass fuels-- switchgrass, poplar trees, and rapeseed also can be used for ethanol production. Research is also being developed to use cellulosic biomass for ethanol-- that is anything with cellulose in it, corn stover, whey, grass, etc. This is all speculation. I think the total net energy of all available sources-- coal, nuclear, biomass, wind, solar, tidal, goethermal is great enough to do without petroleum, natural gas, or propane in the long run. It is more a question of how the resources are distributed. I would prefer that it focused on greater and greater amounts of renewable energy. [ Thursday, April 28, 2005 15:36: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Thursday, April 28 2005 05:28
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After looking at this thing some more, it becomes clear that Avernum could be technicallly converted to a MMORPG. However, it would have to be fee based-- initial fee plus monthly charge because the persons building the MMORPG would have to pay royalties to Jeff, license the Avernum engine, and pay for permissions to use the graphics of various of the artists paid by Jeff to build Avernum. Not a cheap proposition. Jeff would want a nice chunk of money to do this. Further, the online Avernum would have to be Separate from Spiderweb because of employee issues. I am fairly sure that Jeff would not want to add six new employees. Managing people is a (big responsibility) pain in the butt. It would put him in the position of having to deal with federal employment law which is a pain in the ass. To be under the thumb of the government it is 10 employees. It would have to be identified as a spinoff of Spiderweb. The only way this is going to happen is if someone offers a bunch of money up front. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, April 27 2005 17:33
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If we want to play the game of future energy sources. The most unwieldy of them all is the Solar Power Satellite. Basically beamed energy from space. A wonderfully dangerous and improbable source of energy. To just joke a bit. I can imagine in the future it would be possible 100 years from now-- they would ship nuclear waste up to space based platforms using space elevators and fling it into the sun. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, April 26 2005 15:30
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Here goes. I don't buy the environmental statements about biodiesel. Here is the link from the DOE-- It shows the benefits. Biodiesel has considerably less pollutant emissions than petroleum. It is a lot cleaner. Not completely clean. Ethanol fuel cells would be close to completely clean. http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/environmental.html Further growing the crops does not increase CO2 emissions. Crops recycle carbon dioxide and produce oxygen. So there is a net loss of carbon dixoide emissions. Also coal cofiring reduces nitrogen and sulfur emissions from power plants. Reprocessing animal and human wastes also solves a huge environmental problem. Animal farm wastes are a big hazard. So is municipal waste and landfills. Sugar cane is the main source of crop for ethanol in Brazil. Basically it is refined sugar (sucrose). It costs them about 44 cents a gallon to produce. Far cheaper than corn based ethanol. Iogen, a Canadian company, is working on cellulosic ethanol, basically ethanol produced from corn stover, whey, and other feedstocks. A further comment goes like this. Why should American companies invest in oil refineries if the supply will eventually run out? The Saudis promised that capacity will increase. The only way this will happen is if the Saudis build the refineries. Americans are not willing to invest in a diminishing resource. Thus the promise to increase capacity is a double edged sword. We are running into what will be a majorly contentious issue in the coming months. Rumbling in the background is a legislative ruling in Wisconsin, Hawaii and other states which mandates 10% ethanol in all gasoline by 2009. I think there will be a push to apply this to the whole United States by the Senate, many US governors, and the Congress. [ Tuesday, April 26, 2005 16:36: Message edited by: Toasted Basilisk on a Shish Kebab ] -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |