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RPGs with Unusual Mechanics in General
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Originally written by Azuma:

LOD combines them both.. :P

Does all magic in the Ultima series do that?

Yup. It's not exactly the same system (each spell corresponds to a specific combination of reagents, rather than one item corresponding to one spell), but it's the same principle.

Also, I don't really think the fact that a mechanic is used to the exclusion of other mechanics, or combined in an unusual way with other mechanics, makes it unique in itself. It may make the game unique, but not the mechanic.

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Luck in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Luck doesn't appear to significantly affect item drop rates: most of those items have a 1% chance to drop each time you kill the appropriate monster.

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The Silvar teleportation pylon in Avernum 4
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Isn't it in the park, near where the shade lives?

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You are not the first person to make this point, and you will not be the last. The reason the "hurr i am PLAYING a ROLE so it must be a ROLE PLAYING GAME" definition isn't widely used is that it's a pretty vacuous definition, and of little practical value in distinguishing genres.

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Originally written by Azuma:

Not that part..actually..LOD doesn't have spells..exceptions in Dragoon Form..you have to buy consumable magic items to actually cast magic..plus the part you have to continually mash the X button to get full power..and I really do mean mashing..
The "need consumable items to cast magic" mechanic was done in the Ultima series (among others), and the "mash button to empower special attack" mechanic was done in Super Mario RPG (and probably in other games that don't come to mind right now).

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Originally written by Rowen:

What made Golden Sun and Golden Sun the Lost Age so great to me was that you can import the very same caracters that you used in Golden Sun to The Lost Age game. The use of Djinn both in battle and in puzzel-solving makes it stand out a bit from other RPGs I think. The lost age was also very non-liner.
Character importation isn't a unique feature by a long shot: several classic RPG series, including Bard's Tale, Wizardry, Ultima, and Might & Magic, allowed you to import characters from one game to the next.

The Djinn mechanics are interesting, but I'm not sure that any individual element of them is substantially unique either.

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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

On a slightly unrelated note: Anyone else thing Jeff should get some royalties from Nintendo for pokemon?
I know you were joking, but there isn't really much of a similarity here. A monster captured in a Soul Crystal remains the same every time you summon it, whereas the whole point of capturing Pokemon is to level them up.

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And I bet you were thinking of Breath of Fire 2 when you wrote the "minigames" section in your original post, weren't you? :P

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Originally written by Yama Toman?:

Chrono Trigger -- combo attacks.
I am aware that other RPGs have included combo attacks. CT is the only game I am aware that has actually made them remotely playable.

I dunno, Phantasy Star 4 had at least a few combo attacks that you were likely to want to use. GrandCross was a boss-killer for most of the game, and Blizzard and Triblaster were good against regular enemies early on.

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Fantastical Thoughts On RPG Game Mechanics in Avernum 4
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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Or we could accept to have several separate sandbox simulation games, and bundle them together in a story that ran on rails, text-adventure-style, with relatively few branchings, camouflaged to look freer than it is.
The main question I would have about this is one of development resources: given X person-hours of time available, is it best to spend X hours on developing one game, to spend X/5 hours on developing five separate games, each with less depth and polish, or perhaps to spend X/2 hours on one big game and then X/10 on each of five little games?

There are certainly RPGs that are rich in minigames, but minigames tend to be simplistic so as not to draw too much development time away from the main game, and they also tend to be optional -- and when their role in the game is too great, they tend to draw complaints. This presents an especial problem when the skills required to complete one game are radically different from the skills required to complete another: try to appeal to every kind of gamer at once and you're likely to end up falling between two stools.

On a related note, I sure hope Spore doesn't suck.

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That, I think, is the core of the problem. The more perfectly you separate different aspects of the game into components that don't interact with one another, the greater the extent to which you're not really making one game any more: you're making several different games bundled together.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

So is there any other kind of thing or situation, besides hacking, that might be amenable to sandboxed simulation?
The trouble is that the more elements of a game are allowed to run according to their own internal logic, the more chances there are for that logic to conflict. Ultima VII had a well-known flaw allowing the player to bypass a number of scripted plot events by stacking up items and using them as a stepladder to climb over walls instead of going the way the game expected you to.

See also: pretty much everything to do with the Elder Scrolls games. For example, early implementations of Oblivion's NPC AI system had an unfortunate tendency to cause NPCs, acting freely according to their own goals, to murder plot-important characters: the AI had to be made significantly less capable (i.e. less intelligent) in order to prevent this.

In the philosophy of science, this kind of problem is called a "system accident". The greater the number of interacting variables in a system, the greater the risk that the system is prone to unpredictable negative interactions -- and you often can't remove the potential for unpredictable interactions without defeating the purpose of the system.

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Originally written by kkarski:

The thing that can be easily introduced to almost every RPG and would make it a bit closer to what Synergy wants (and what I want too) would be to cut down profits gained from combat.

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When you have several possibilites and all of them give you the same benefits, the powergamer that always skulks inside won't tempt you, and you can try to make decisions like your character would - an evil fighter would make a roar and charge the enemies, a stealthy rogue would slip past them or assasinate their leader, a mage could make some sort of diversion with his illusions etc. etc.

While not exactly a traditional RPG, Deus Ex does something like this: you're generally rewarded with stat boosts for advancing the plot, regardless of how you do it. Most of the good ideas to come out of this thread have already been implemented in some form in one game or another. Can one game implement them all at once and still be playable? I'm not sure.

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Name Choice in General
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Originally written by Fractal:

WHAT!? When and where? Is Andraste perhaps an ATMOS member, or just a coincidental Terrapin trader thing?
Terrapin, I'd guess, considering they're all named after mythological figures.

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geneforge3 using enhancements in Geneforge Series
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The Blessed Crystal and Runed Ruby aren't the best enhancement items you'll find, so put them on equipment that you expect to keep for a while but not forever. The Crystal adds a small bonus to hit if put on a weapon and a small bonus to dodge if put on a piece of armour: it's honestly not much good on either of them. The Ruby adds bonus fire damage to a weapon or fire resistance to armour: I prefer it on a weapon.

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Left or Right? in General
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Having ef and Synergy agree with me is something of a new experience. Is April Fools' Day being celebrated in November now?

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I did say "mostly". It's fairly uncontroversial that the left and right hemispheres tend to perform different functions, but the idea that there are "left-brained" and "right-brained" people is a huge generalisation based on fairly thin evidence.

From your link:

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An immediate critique is that there seems to be little evidence for differences in the left and right hand limbic systems. However, Herrmann's system does not try to be an accurate model of the way the brain functions. Instead it should really be thought of as a model of different styles, partially inspired by the brain, but also the result of extensive questionnaires.
In other words, the whole "left-brained" and "right-brained" business is based on a personality typing system that doesn't really have anything much to do with the left and right brain at all.

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Originally written by Dintiradan:

How did they determine the right/left brain distinction? Hook people up to a fMRI or something (hopefully I remember correctly and fMRI is the relevant technique)?
They didn't. The whole right/left brain thing is mostly a load of pop-psych hooey.

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Originally written by Synergy:

[QB]I seem to be unable to picture the woman rotating counter-clockwise. She's clockwise and I'm right-brained.
I can only see her rotating clockwise too. If I can be right-brained, then the term "right-brained" has lost all meaning.

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Originally written by Synergy:

Our schools are designed to teach so-called "facts", to teach us what to believe, not how to think and question for ourselves, and to find our own answers. By definition, this is agenda. Vested interests want us to believe their view on all kinds of things about life, beginning with our parents.
"I should question for myself and find my own answers" is a belief. Therefore, a school that teaches students to think for themselves is still teaching them what to believe.

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You guys would be savagely all over any one of those points if someone like me had made them in support of an argument you disagreed with. I think you are demonstrating hypocrisy. Color me wholly unimpressed.
Show me a politician who isn't a hypocrite and doesn't use bad science to make his points and I'll show you a politician who'll never be in office. In a political climate where whoever lies most outrageously wins, the only way for things to work is for everyone to lie equally outrageously and hope the truth will out in the end. If, as you say, the target audience is "people who take in propaganda without much filtering", it would be simply irresponsible for any side to stop producing alarmist propaganda and leave the other side's alarmist propaganda to stand unopposed. However good one's intentions, the effect of attempting to provide an honest and evenhanded presentation of the facts is to make oneself politically irrelevant.

This moment of honesty will likely cause you to ignore anything I have to say in future, which will only serve to prove my point: you can't even be honest about being a liar.

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Originally written by Synergy:

Nine inconvenient untruths.
The documentary contained nine false or misleading statements. Now, it's 94 minutes long. Average human speaking speed is 175 words per minute. Let's suppose that Gore spends half the film speaking. That means he says 8225 words throughout the course of the film. Now, if each false statement is, say, 20 words long, that means that 97.9% of what Gore said was completely true. I'd call that a pretty good average, as politicians go.

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Originally written by Yama Toman?:

I do find it interesting that Angband is so popular here. You, me, and Alorael, at any rate, compared to Aran's lonely cries of ADOM.
Djur's much more of a Nethack fan, but he hasn't been here in ages. Alec is into Angband, though, and thinks that Nethack is a game made by and for autistics.

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Originally written by Yama Toman?:

I would actually argue that hack-and-slash is not all filler. Recently I've had occasion (at work, no less) to play a number of RPGs and pseudo-RPGs made over the last 15 years for Nintendo's handheld systems -- the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance.
I want your job. :(

But seriously, I've observed the same thing in regard to handheld games doing their damnedest to add replay value, and I agree with you that it's not a phenomenon confined to handhelds. In general, people like to be presented with a certain amount of variation on a central theme rather than a completely unfamiliar experience every time.

Likewise, my roguelike of choice is Angband, the hackiest and slashiest of them all (and given the nature of the average roguelike, that's saying something).

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It really is a bit odd. If Shaper Grim could teach you how to make War Tralls, they'd still suck, but they'd suck less.

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