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Originally written by Drew:

It strikes me that you're actually trying to justify the laws by demeaning the nature of same sex relationships, as if those relationships are "lesser" than hetero ones. Your justifications, however, are based purely on your personal (religious) prejudices. I'd like to see you rise above that.
I think the problems we're having with him run even deeper than that. Stillness comes from a strain of Christians who expect governments to be arbitrary and tyrannical, and don't believe they can aspire to anything better. All this talk about governments doing what they think is best is just an ill-considered attempt to be polite; what he really means is that governments do what they want and people have to obey ("give to Caesar" and all of that). This is why so many fundamentalists describe themselves as apolitical.

We, on the other hand, think that a government can be a real force for good as long as it meets certain prerequisites, and that one of the prerequisites is that everyone is treated equally unless there's good reason -- not just a presumptive, theoretical reason, but an actual, concrete reason backed by solid, relevant and specific evidence -- to treat them otherwise.

[ Friday, December 21, 2007 14:45: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

If contacting your soul changes your personality, it sort of raises the question of just what 'you' is. If your soul isn't you, then who is it? It sounds as though it might just as well be anything from a guardian angel to a personal demon.
The way he wrote it, it sounded like the soul was a kind of accumulation of metaphysical detritus that built up, snowball-like, over the course of one's lives. "Old souls" would have more spiritual potential to draw upon, but would also have a greater risk of unleashing more power than they could control.

And of course, one can imagine some mages of great ambition but little innate potential taking a fast-track to power by taking parts of the souls of others, either by agreement (having less of a soul isn't obviously harmful apart from reducing one's magical potential, so it's not hard to imagine someone being willing to sell a part) or by force; presumably, such pieces would then be incorporated into one's own soul-ball and mixed up with one's own past lives to the point that after a few incarnations it'd be hard to tell what was original and what came from someone else.

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Originally written by Stillness:

They think it’s good for society. That’s it. Like it or not.
Not good enough. Individual rights exist precisely so that governments can't just do whatever they think is good for society. Your argument might fly in a country without a Bill of Rights, but not in the US.

[ Thursday, December 20, 2007 20:09: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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This topic sucks so much it could cause decompression sickness.

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Matthew 15:11:
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
I'd say the Bible is pretty clear on at least one thing: oral sex is fine as long as you swallow.

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A cylinder-shaped world is the easiest to make a map of while still being reasonably "round", if that influences your decision at all.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

A thing that one ancestor did way back in the distant past probably won't have any genetic impact on me today. It's only if gazillions of ancestors did it that it matters.
Do watch the way you phrase that: you're confusing cause and effect. I'm sure we both know what you meant to say, but I don't think any of us here are Lamarckians.

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Locmaar: is what you're saying that you believe Stillness isn't arguing in good faith, and that as long as that's the case you believe it's pointless to attempt to engage with his arguments? We all know quite well that Stillness's arguments are motivated by the fact that in his heart of hearts he's a homophobic jackass; we've been skirting around this fact because the polite thing to do in a debate is to play the ball and not the man.

[ Monday, December 17, 2007 12:32: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Synergy:

BOTTOM LINE: There is no absolute or practical reason why marriage should be favored for some or limited for some. The government doesn't need to be involved with it at all.
Unfortunately, your argument, like most extreme moral relativist arguments, proves too much: if marriage and morality are both arbitrary constructs, there's also no reason for the government not to arbitrarily limit marriage. Whatever the people in power decide to allow or disallow, their decision is just as valid as any other decision they might have made. This kind of relativism is fine if you want to end up defending fascism, but not so great otherwise.

If one is a moral relativist but not a fascist, it's generally best to keep up the polite fiction that one isn't completely relativist either -- or at least find some other hobby-horse, like "practicality", that can do most of the important work that "morality" does. I gotta say, though, I didn't have you picked as a Nietzschean either. Besides, it's kinda hard to credibly tell others what they can and can't tell others to do if you've already rejected the idea that your statements have any objective normative power. I mean, unless you want to go to the trouble of explaining to them why it's in their own best interests to avoid telling others what to do.

[ Monday, December 17, 2007 04:56: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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One option is to fake it by using a call to give the party the item when the container is searched, rather than actually placing the item.

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Originally written by Stillness:

Thuryl, it was a joke.

All opposite-sex pairings are made of two people of the opposite sex and no same-sex pairings are.

Except that you've already admitted that you can't even define who belongs to one sex and who belongs to the other, except by resorting to arbitrary legalism. So actually, no, they don't -- a pairing could consist of two members of opposite sexes by one definition of "sex" and two members of the same sex by another equally valid definition of "sex".

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Alo, If you run a business and call your new secretary up at night and tell her you expect sex everyday and she records it and sues you for sexual harrasment, do you think she’ll win? Let’s say your secretary is your wife and while lying in bed you tell her you expect sex every night and she records it. Will she win? Why?
Whether or not you'd win in a court, I'd argue that both cases constitute sexual harassment. Marrying someone doesn't give you an automatic right to "expect" sex from them. I know you feel otherwise, and I feel sorry for your wife.

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Get the point? Marriage is considered sexual in nature. I remember reading or hearing of cases in which men allegedly raped their wives and were acquitted on this basis. It really seems you all have a logic that is out of touch with reality and social norms. Not that I claim to have my finger on the pulse of society, but come on…
Bravo: you've just torpedoed your own argument. After those cases (which occurred back in the 1980s), laws were changed to remove the exception for marriage in rape laws, in order to reflect current community standards. Now who's the one who's out of touch?

Regarding racial discrimination vs. sexual discrimination: let's suppose that the government, in an effort to reduce the incidence of skin cancer, passed a law requiring all white people to use sunscreen, but not placing the same requirement on black people (since their skin tone naturally protects them from ultraviolet radiation). Would you consider this law to be unfair and discriminatory?

Regarding your "individuals vs. partnerships" argument: individuals are being discriminated against. A woman is allowed to do something that I'm not: namely, marry a man. That's sexual discrimination, and if you want to justify it you're going to have to do better than claim it isn't discrimination.

[ Sunday, December 16, 2007 04:37: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Safey:

I have been called worse bye people who know me far better.
If people who know you better think you're even worse than we do, that sounds like pretty good evidence that our assessment of you is on the right track.

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Originally written by Locmaar:

This is a rather dim view on Italy's political system.
Well, any system that could elect Berlusconi has problems, but those problems likely go beyond the electoral system as such. :P

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Originally written by Safey:

your post is relevant to starvation isn't relevant to obesity which is what is being discussed.
The obese are, metabolically, in a constant state of starvation -- that's why their bodies do everything possible to accumulate fat. That was exactly his point. Of course, it's no surprise that you're as ignorant of biology as you are of politics.

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Fun fact: another anagram for "Omaha Mall Shooting" is "A Hooligan Halts Mom".

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Originally written by Safey:

nice change in topic that was getting repetitive. I never said I didn't think their was something badly wrong with or system of government. You have found the sign of a problem not the problem itself. Second (assuming the statics you have stated are true). What is the problem? You initially said I didn't know what the true left was, I ask you to elaborate you didn't.
The left are those who believe that your ability to meet your basic needs in life shouldn't depend on your ability to please others. It's a pretty simple concept, I think.

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75% of the US population thinks that improved social services are more important than tax cuts, but fewer than 10% of Congressmen agree. If you don't think that's a sign of something going badly wrong with your country's system of government, I don't know what more to say.

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Originally written by Safey:

I have been trying for the past few post trying to get you tell me what the "left" is instead I get you evading me. Now you accuse me of not trying to have an honest conversation.
I'm concerned that if I try to tell you, you'll deliberately misinterpret me again. You need to convince me that you won't do that, and so far you're doing just the opposite.

[ Saturday, December 15, 2007 23:49: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Safey:

To claim everything I know about a subject is wrong and not give an explanation is a sign of arrogance.
I never claimed that everything you knew was wrong. For me to claim that, I'd have to believe you knew anything in the first place.

If you must know, the reason I'm not bothering to seriously engage with you is that your statements so far give me reason to believe that you're a pathological liar. I'm too busy to attempt an honest conversation with someone who doesn't want an honest conversation with me, and so far you've shown no sign of good faith whatsoever.

[ Saturday, December 15, 2007 23:40: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Lazarus.:

Hmmm. Well I'm fairly sure that it doesn't work exactly that way in the trilogy. I specifically remember in the giant fort that if you left and rested some of the guards guarding the entrance (the lava bridge) would always come back, and if you waited for too long they'd all come back. Same thing at the golem factory, the golems guarding the entrance would return if you waited a while.
Ah, I see the source of our confusion: the original poster was talking about wandering monsters that appear while you're in town (which is what I replied to), while you're talking about towns resetting after you leave them. To make a town reset, you have to visit at least 4 other towns before revisiting it.

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Originally written by Safey:

Now I'm not going to research ideology that I don't agree with in hopes of convince myself of it. Listen too and see if it has merit yes, do an exhaustive study on it no.
And that's what's wrong with the world. If you don't spend at least as much time researching viewpoints that disagree with your own as those that agree with it, you're being intellectually dishonest.

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Originally written by Uhpa'ovfo'g the Holy:

And I do think potatoes count as healthy, so long as that's not the only thing you eat.
Oh, definitely. Potatoes are a miracle crop, if what you want is plenty of energy and a marginally adequate amount of vitamin C. There's a reason why they fed the entire Irish population until the potato famine of the 19th century. The trouble is that plenty of energy is the last thing that people in the first world need.

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Originally written by Safey:

edit: now now no need for insults. You don't insult ignorant people you enlighten them.
I find it ironic that you think the poor should have to work for their money, but you don't want to have to work to find your own information. I guess your principles are good enough for others to live by, but not for you.

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Originally written by Safey:

Considering I will never get the chance to visit Norway could elaborate? Also if the conservatives did dismantle welfare like you said, then how come nonworking poor get benefits and while the working poor get nill
There's no such thing as the non-working poor in the US. No such thing. There's only the working poor who work legally and receive welfare, and the working poor who receive welfare and do work off-the-books to supplement their income. In most of the US, it is impossible to survive on welfare alone. Nearly all welfare recipients are forced to work illegally in order to survive, and the government knows this.

Like I said, living black hole of ignorance. With how little you know about the world, your authority to hold political opinions is on par with the average catfish.

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Originally written by Safey:

Clinton's opinion happens to be what ever is popular, because she doesn't side with your opinion means your unpopular. Also your statement doesn't explain how welfare (something supported by liberals) helps couch potatoes yet doesn't help the working poor in some cases discouraging people from getting a job.

but to humor you what exactly is the "left"?

Again, it's because the right (which is to say, every administration since Reagan) has been systematically dismantling the welfare system. (Also, if you think it's possible for "couch potatoes" to survive on welfare, try being a couch potato and see how that works out for you: living on welfare in the US sucks for everyone who's on it, and 90% of people receiving welfare that's supposed to support their needs have to work illegally to make ends meet.)

You want to see the left in action? Move to Norway, the country with the highest standard of living on Earth.

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