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Originally written by Safey:

Things were no better when Clinton was in power or democrats held the house or the senate. If it wasn't for internet, TV, Newspaper ect. I wouldn't have know about that change. 2 I have received more help from conservative churches that I ever have from a liberal or government organization.
Either the liberals are impotent or hypocrites

Ah, I see the problem now: you don't actually know what the left is. Clinton was centrist or centre-right by any reasonable definition of the term. There are perhaps one or two centre-left politicians in the entire US Congress. By global standards, the Democrats are centre-right, and the Republicans are far-right, and both parties have been neglecting social services for the past three decades.

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Originally written by Safey:

Helping poor people over come poverty instead of merely surviving it. Something to help alleviate the working poor who receive little if any help.
Well, gee, do you think the working poor might be doing better if the right wasn't doing its damnedest to hamstring the union movement?

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On one hand, I see your point: the original Nethergate made a lot of the numbers behind its mechanics explicit, and I think it was a better game for it. On the other hand, that level of complexity can confuse people and turn them off (it sure did for me the first time I tried Nethergate, back when I was 13 or so). Also, core mechanics don't usually change that much between different SW games and the wonks on these forums usually have most things figured out within a couple of months of the game's release, so if you follow the forums for newly-released games and avoid spoilery topics, you can usually piece most of the mechanics together for yourself.

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Originally written by Safey:

I always considered homosexuality to be something entertained by the rich. Judging from high schools few poor high schools have gay people. You might be able to find one or two but it be difficult. However knew friends from the wealthy high schools who often complained about. Even your examples out of history come from times when that particular civilization was prosperous. Wealthy people can afford to indulge in habits that aren't natural. Gay marrage is simply a tool used by those in ivory towers to gain political clout. The only ones who seem to care are those who have alot of money. A poor person is less concerned who visits them in the hospital and more concern that the hospital treats them, less concerned who inherit their wealth and more concern who inherits their bills. That and other left wing issues aren't affordable by poor people. Environmentally friendly cars, to expensive. It angers me that liberals claim to have the poor mans best interest in yet they are more concerned with idiot nitpicking laws then the real issues.
You are a living black hole of ignorance.

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Originally written by Fernication:

Individuals have races. School districts do not, so you can't discriminate between school districts based on the race of the school district. Therefore, it would be perfectly reasonable to pass a law giving millions of dollars in educational spending only to school districts that are predominantly white.
That legislation already exists. It's called paying for schools with local property taxes. :P

[ Friday, December 14, 2007 23:05: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Stillness:

I’m not playing Devil’s advocate (by the way Thuryl, what are you trying to imply?)
Wow, this is as bad as that one time Motrax took offence at the term "conservative estimate". Can you please come back once you get your paranoia treated, and preferably develop a working knowledge of the English language while you're at it? I mean, I know you think you can communicate telepathically with God and so you don't need language, but we humans use words to express our ideas, and it's important to know what those words mean before throwing hissy fits over them.

Failing that, please name one characteristic that is shared by all opposite-sex partnerships and no same-sex partnerships. No such characteristic exists, and therefore there is no justification for blanket laws preventing all same-sex partnerships from becoming marriages.

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Originally written by Airborne Stages:

And I'm with Kel on equality and identicalness. No one is arguing that same-sex and opposite-sex couples are identical; they're obviously not. Therefore, they're not equal in a mathematical sense. The question is how the differences make any difference to marriage, which is not about sex or children.
Well, if I may play devil's advocate for a moment, marriage as the law presently defines it is at least a little bit about sex, since failure or inability to consummate is grounds for an annulment in many jurisdictions.

Fun fact: the title of this topic is a perfect anagram of "Ooh, All My Ham Ingots!"

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Originally written by novaalpha:

So you're current maintainer of this treasure? I was hoping that Spiderweb Software is interested in opensource version of it's best game ever... Now I see that chances are slim.
Eee hee hee, no. Quite the opposite. SW released the source for us to play with because SW isn't interested in maintaining it any more, and hasn't been for some time. SW isn't a charity, after all. If improvements are going to be made, it's up to us to make them.

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Originally written by Excalibur:

Even I have over one hundred dollars in my bank account.
"Even" you? If your family can afford a computer with internet access, you're not exactly among the poorest of the poor, now are you?

[ Thursday, December 13, 2007 19:12: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

Thuryl , you should check the prices in the states. I think one of the most expensive ranges I've seen was still only $2,500. More than I need for sure, more suited to a household that entertains frequently. Whereas I am entertaining very infrequently.
There are definitely ovens out there that cost over $10000.

Anyway! The point is that if you don't remember the last time you had over $100 in your bank account, you're not getting an oven any time soon.

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Originally written by Locmaar:

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Originally written by Stillness:

The question about sexual classification is one I’ve thought a lot about since I do agree with the anti-gay marriage camp that practicing homosexuality is bad.
Why? This might shed some light on what you've been saying.

Because if you still need to practice, then obviously you're not very good at it yet.

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Originally written by Lucheiah:

Really?? Like, seriously, whenever I've looked in catalogues (dreaming of the day when I have my own home and enough money to renovate it lol!) a decent (not top-of-the-range, but average) oven, stove and rangehood set has been around the $3000 mark. Okay, that's Australian dollars, but it wouldn't be THAT much difference. About $2500 US or thereabouts.
I was probably looking at the higher end of the range, but the point is that even a decent one is going to cost more than many working-class people have readily available. If your oven breaks down, you can't necessarily afford to replace it any time soon... and then not cooking for yourself becomes a habit.

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Originally written by Nioca:

Well, reading between the lines, I'd say the incredible stupidity of the resolution is a guise to sneak through religious superiority of Christians.
That kind of resolution is unfortunately pretty common, and the default position tends to be to vote for it so as not to rock the boat, even if you don't know what you're voting for. A representative once successfully passed a resolution to honour the Boston Strangler for his "innovative efforts in the field of population management", just to make a point about how silly the whole system was.

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Originally written by Redstart:

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Originally written by Thuryl:

That's easy to say when you're rich enough to buy an oven and keep it in working order. If you can't spare several thousand dollars for that[...]
God, I hope you're exaggerating.

Sounds like someone's never shopped for whitegoods. A good oven can easily run close to $10000.

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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

Unless you have a hire assistant, it is extremely inconvenient to purchase food on a daily basis. Unless you are genetically predisposed, obesity is mostly a matter of willpower, not when your paycheck arrives...
That's easy to say when you're rich enough to buy an oven and keep it in working order. If you can't spare several thousand dollars for that, cooking your own meals instead of buying them premade becomes a non-trivial task -- and if you have a stove but no oven, most of what you do cook is likely to be fried.

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I don't think towns ever forgive you in Avernum, unlike Exile. There's always the character editor, I suppose. Or just use the Jewel of Return and don't go back to Bigail, but in that case anything you left undone there will have to stay undone.

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Originally written by Stillness:

So they “prejudge” all blacks before meeting them, right? That is the definition of prejudice. Saying that all blacks are of African descent would not be prejudice because they are by definition (I think).
All people are of African descent, if you go back far enough. :P

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All opposite-sex marriage is male-female. That is the pairing that is perceived to be ideal.
How do you define "male" and "female", anyway? By chromosomes, gonads, or external sex organs? However you define it, there are going to be people who don't fit easily into one category or another. Should intersex people just not be allowed to marry at all? Because of the ambiguous nature of the definitions of "male" and "female", there is no statement which is true of "all males" and not of any non-male, and there is no statement which is true of "all females" and not of any non-female, which means that any statement about "males" or "females" (and therefore, any statement about marriage between them) is, by your definition, prejudiced!

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Synergy, it has no meaning to you but that does not apply to everyone. And your opinions on the figures are just that. I don’t know why everyone keeps focusing on the children. The most compelling stats to me were for the adults. They specifically compared the married to the unmarried.
Again, you have a direction-of-causality problem here. People with severe physical or mental health issues don't have the best prospects of getting married.

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Alo, I think your understanding of “merit” is problematic in distinguishing between what is discrimination and what is not. And even if traditional marriage is “discrimination” in the same sense that handicapped spots or development zones are, it certainly isn’t in the way that racism and sexism – illegal discrimination – are. The latter have sweeping generalizations that are either not true or only sometimes true.
The difference between your examples of discrimination is only a difference of degree, not of kind.

[ Wednesday, December 12, 2007 21:54: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Originally written by Stillness:

Prejudice implies coming to a conclusion before determining merit (i.e. pre-judging). Giving male-female pairing special status over all other relationships is not prejudice because marriage has a stabilizing effect, produces children, provides an ideal environment for raising them, etc., so it has a known, age-old, unique benefit to society. Not recognizing other groupings in the same way is not like refusing to hire homosexuals. The later is a non-merit based pre-judging, whereas we know that the male-female union has merit. It is a logical flaw to equate them.
The trouble is that merit is in the eye of the beholder. People who discriminate against blacks do so because they genuinely believe that blacks are inferior, after all.

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If I say I am going to hire a random handicapped person because the disabled have mental strength, that is discrimination – the dumb kind in the definition above. It’s not a reasonable consideration of the actual person’s merit, but a sweeping, illogical, pre-judgment of people based a group. There are mentally unstable disabled people, so it may be true in some cases, but certainly not all.

In other words, for discrimination to fit into your "acceptable" category, all members of the group being discriminated against must share some relevant characteristic that no members of the group not being discriminated against possess. No such differentiating characteristic exists in the case of same-sex vs. opposite-sex marriage. (Don't say "the ability to produce children": some heterosexuals are completely infertile, and yet we still let them marry. In fact, we still let a man marry if he was born without a functioning penis, which even blows your "the sexual organs were designed to fit together in such and such a way" argument out of the water.)

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"Bias attack" has to be just about the worst euphemism I've ever heard.

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Originally written by Condition:

Actually, my interpretation is that domestic violence leads to divorce, not vice versa. In this case preserving marriage is a terrible idea. It's preserving an abusive relationship.
Yes, I was intending that to be a rhetorical question, but apparently I underestimated just how out of touch with reality Stillness is.

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Originally written by Stillness:

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I like how you completely ignored the "either type of discrimination can have net good or net bad effects" part.

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Originally written by Stillness:

Indeed. It would seem that a broken marriage may in some ways be worse than none at all. All the more reason for you to write your representative and demand that he pass legislation to preserve marriage. Great point. Thanks! I think “Thuryl Act” has a nice ring to it.
Now you're just making stuff up off the top of your head without any regard for the logical coherence of your argument. I suppose I'm not exactly in a position to criticise you for that, but the fact remains.

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Dikiyoba, I don’t know if you are following, but we’ve established that there are two types of discrimination. One is based on merit, the other is based on prejudicial grouping.
We have? Because I don't remember that part of the conversation either. It seems like everyone except for you agrees that discrimination, even of the handicapped-parking kind, is always inherently bad; it's just that the practical consequences of discrimination sometimes carry enough good to outweigh the bad.

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Originally written by Stillness:

It’s been explained that discrimination is bad? That’s ridiculous. Handicapped parking spots are bad? Empowerment zones are bad? Me liking sweet potato pie more than pumpkin pie is bad?
1) Wouldn't it be better if there were enough parking spaces for everybody to park as close to where they need to be as handicapped people can? Better still, wouldn't it be preferable if people lived close enough to everywhere they want to go that they never needed to drive anywhere in the first place?
2) Some people benefit from urban development, and others are harmed by it. Again, it's not an unqualified good.
3) You'd have more opportunities for happiness if you liked pumpkin pie just as much as you like sweet potato pie.

Discrimination may be necessary, but it's never ideal: it is only justified when the good it does outweighs the harm and better alternatives are impossible to implement. A necessary evil is still evil; it's just less evil than everything else you could do.

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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

As for the tax benefits. It is much easier for an opposite-sex couple to produce children. The benefits they acquire are in order to encourage the increase in population, and hence strengthen the government on a global scale...
If the goal is to bribe people into having more children, then why not just cut out the middle man and pay people for actually having children rather than for getting married?

EDIT: This topic would be greatly improved by changing its title to "Omaha Malls Hooting". The current one doesn't have anything to do with the discussion anyway.

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Originally written by Lazarus.:

Clearly towns are incapable of respawning monsters-- there are no monsters to kill and thus need respawning. New monsters aren't spawned, old monsters that are dead are respawned. Otherwise if you entered a dungeon, killed nothing, left, and came back later it'd be overrun by new monsters.
That's not actually how wandering monsters work, at least in BoE: there can be up to four wandering monster spawn points in every town, each of which can randomly generate monsters at a rate dependent on a variable set in Town Details. They don't respawn placed monsters; instead, they create new ones, which can be of a type not otherwise found in the town (again, the monster types created can be set by a preference option). All spawned monsters are erased when you leave town.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

In general there may be much room for debate on what respects are relevant. On whether or not sexual attraction is relevant to marriage, though, I think there is not so much room.
Oh, I'm not arguing that it's not relevant to marriage. I'm just arguing that marriage is not a status that should be privileged officially over other kinds of union. As far as the government is concerned, the relevant factor is that two or more people have chosen to become dependent on each other in ways that require government recognition in order for that dependence to be practical. It would be fairer for all concerned if the concept of marriage were divorced (pardon the pun) from the concept of civil unions: marriage would become just another reason for wanting a civil union, and no more or less valid than any other reason.

What I'm arguing, I suppose, is that civil unions ought to be something that people enter into solely for the legal and financial benefits, because those are the only kinds of benefit that a government is in the proper business of granting. If some of the people who enter into civil unions also happen to enter into marriages, that's a separate matter entirely.

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Originally written by Drew:

He's equating discrimination against same-sex marriage with discrimination in distribution of housing development dollars. Why not throw the disabled in there? It's actually a tighter analogy, though I in no way am positing that homosexual people are disabled.
In the strictest sense of the word, any sexual orientation other than bisexuality could be considered an impairment.

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