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Round Table on Morality, Theology, and Ethics in General
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Originally written by Kyrek:

Also, the concepts of some religions are incredibly ignorant. For instance, Christianity is basically based around someone sending someone else to suffer a lot of pain for others. That is incredibly mean and unfair. To make someone suffer incredibly for others is extremely unfair and cruel.
This statement strikes me as either silly or an intentional misinterpretation; I don't think you'd call someone who took a bullet for you cruel.

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Originally written by Kyrek:

Also, how can there be a god when there is so much pain, cruelty and unfairness in the world. Couldn't he/she change things for the better? Think of all the poverty in Africa. The gods of religions haven't done anything about that. What about Hitler and George Bush? "God" hasn't done anything about that.

So called "God" hasn't done very much good.

This complaint assumes, for starters, a god who knows of the issues in question, interprets things in the same way you do, and cares to change things in a way you would consider "good".
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Round Table on Morality, Theology, and Ethics in General
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Originally written by Cryptozoology:

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Originally written by Imban:

Even with the point of view that human actions are entirely deterministic, they are still determined by external forces. Therefore, society still has an obligation (the success or failure of attempts at it is predetermined, but the obligation still exists!), under that worldview, to make it so that less people are predestined to do wrong.
The problem with this analysis is that it requires a moral philosophy under which one can have a moral obligation to do the impossible.
I don't see this - while under this worldview, the society in question's success or failure at making less people predestined to do wrong is itself predetermined, it is still morally obligated to make the effort.

Ultimately, the amount of people who will end up predestined to do wrong is predetermined, but if we imagine an alternative universe where societies were predestined to believe that criminal acts should be ignored because they were predestined to occur, more people in that alternate world would turn to crime (i.e. be predestined to be criminals) than in the world where we are predestined to believe that criminals should indeed be punished and/or rehabilitated for their crimes. Thus, from a utilitarian standpoint, it would be best for society if it was to believe that criminal acts should meet with consequences, and thus that is the moral thing.

[ Wednesday, February 21, 2007 22:22: Message edited by: Imban ]
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Round Table on Morality, Theology, and Ethics in General
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Originally written by Randomizer:

There were some people that believe in predestination, so whatever they do was going to happen and they have no responsibility for their actions. Since there is no free will they shouldn't have to suffer for the consequences of their actions.

For the rest of us we believe in punishing them anyway. You can always tell them, "The punishment was predestined so suck it up."

Wouldn't the proper answer to this really still be "it is to prevent you from committing further crimes, and dissuade others from committing crimes"? Even with the point of view that human actions are entirely deterministic, they are still determined by external forces. Therefore, society still has an obligation (the success or failure of attempts at it is predetermined, but the obligation still exists!), under that worldview, to make it so that less people are predestined to do wrong.

Basing any of your philosophy on predeterminism comes across as more or less wanky to me, anyway - every time I've considered it, I've merely come to the conclusion that since we cannot determine what our fates are even if it is true, it's a question - like the question "Do we live in the Matrix?" - that, while I cannot answer it, I don't base any of my personal philosophy on the answer to.
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Cheater! in General
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I use the editor (and/or modifying scenario scripts, for BoA) in both BoE and BoA to try and work around grievous errors on my part or the scenario designer's part that a simple reload won't fix.
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Spiderweb Monthly Stats - February 2007 in General
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Spiderweb Monthly Stats - February 2007 in General
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Iffy seems accurate.
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Most stupid thing you can think of. in General
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What do you hate. . . in General
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I hate this thread.
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Oldbiehood in General
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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

I am curious as to who the two are that think Drakefyre is not an Oldbie. The only person here who could reasonably make that claim is Jeff...
From what I can tell, at least three current members joined the Spiderweb community before Drakefyre did.
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Rats Aplenty (or how do I set a flag ingame?) in Blades of Avernum
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Instead of using the editor to set flags, use the editor to give yourself new copies of the ancient items.
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The time has come! in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Oldbiehood in General
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People seriously use the term "oldbie"?

The results of this poll, by the way, are relatively amusing to me - they clearly show that, while Alorael's massive post count is clearly visible to anyone and everyone, our community's remaining antediluvians are less obviously apparent.
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February Blades of Avernum Chat in Blades of Avernum
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Well, most undead ARE mindless...
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The Future of Blades of Avernum in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Plus, I'm not really sure I see the market for Blades of Geneforge. I mean, sure, Blades of Exile and Blades of Avernum scenarios are often a lot LIKE Exile/Avernum, but a lot of people have set their scenarios in their own fantasy worlds.

Geneforge's system is a good bit more tied to its setting.
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February Blades of Avernum Chat in Blades of Avernum
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Originally written by BainIhrno:

I'm in as long as it doesn't turn out like the last "blades" chat.
Translation: Try and stay sober for this one, TM?

I'll be there, and I may even play a BoA scenario or two with Avatar and Pariah in the meantime.
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Valentines' Day Suprise in General
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Granted, Thuryl, if it's you who dies, you won't really be in a position to care about being apart from her forever.
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E3: Woes of the magically inept singleton in The Exile Trilogy
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In BoA, I've been doing okay with Pariah, even though he is Sluggish and wearing encumbering enough armor that his base AP is 2.
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What attracted you here? in General
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Drakey told me to come to the shiny new official Spiderweb board, so I did.

I was drawn into the community, on the other hand, by Blades of Exile and the Arena.
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Graphics Request. in Blades of Avernum
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3D Editor On Fire in Blades of Avernum Editor
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TM reports that under Mac OS 10.4.8, attempting to place a node causes the 3D Editor to crash, making it pretty much unusable.
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An Excellent Webhosting Services! in General
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