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Keeping items in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #6
Icy crystals are great against wingbolts if you have the dexterity and missle weapons since they do full damage and will kill one in 2 or 3 shots. They also will usually kill a vlish.

Spray crystals are pretty useless after chapter 2. Swarm crystals are better and torrent gems (aura of flames) are great. I save madness gems for when I want to convert many creations to my side and don't have mass madness yet.
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SYNERGY LIST: GF4?Where To Find Stuff And What It Does in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
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Profile #3
Reaper baton is dropped by Southern sentinel in Titan's Hall and sold by Dalia in Khima-uss.
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SYNERGY LIST: GF4?Where To Find Stuff And What It Does in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #1
I'm behind with updating my notes so here are a few

Charms -

Infiltrator's Charm - Western Burwood at Agent Yngrid - +1 Leadership/ +1 Mechanics/ +8% Mind effects resistance of creations

Puresteel Charm - Quessa-Uss reward for winning duel - +1 Stength/ +1 level damage in combat/ +8 Mind effects resistance of creations

Blademaster Charm - Matala's Workshop in locked room after killing golem and finding level behind pillar - +1 Quick Action/+5% chance to hit/ +8% Mind effect resistance of creations

Essence Charm - Breeding Pit near corrupted unbound - +1 Intelligence/ +3% Hostile effects resistance/ +8% Mind effects resistance of creations

Omnicharm - Titan's Hall after killing Titan - +1 Strength/ +1 Dexterity/ +1 Intelligence/ +1 Endurance

Items

correction - it's Crystal Woven Chitin not chain

Cryoaskin greaves in South Burwood Road past spinecore plant Armor 4% Stun resistance 4%/-5% to hit/+15% Cold resistance

Polar fur cloak at Rebel Base Dock in SE corner box Armor 4%/+5% Cold resistance

Coated cloak in Boiling Mudpits Armor 4%/+5% Energy resistance

Spideskin robe in Southforge Citadel (m8) armor 14%/+5% Energy resistance

Gazerskin boots in Northforge Warren past Shapers to south along corridor of heat plates on body -Armor 2%/+10% hostile effects resistance/+15% stun res

Ruby necklace in QuessaUss Armor 4%/+5% Fire resistance/+10% Energy resistance/+1 Battle magic/+5% Fire resistance of creations/+10% Energy resistance of creations

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Performance Evaluation in General
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #17
The push to have more topics helped bring more interest since there was usually something for everyone to post in last month. The downside was the volume seemed to be disrupting the physical functioning of the board with more lost pages and posting problems. There probably should be some pruning to improve service.

In comparison, this month has seen a shift back to game related posting for comparable posting volume. The activity in General is dropping back to almost nothing.

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Tricks in the game in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #2
By the time your level is in the mid 30s you get no experience from tier 2 and some tier 3 monsters like battle alphas.

One trick for easy experience is to attack certain creations that are not hostile. In the Boiling Mudpits with enough leadership you can make a thahd go neutral and then attack it. A better place is in Chapter 4 the Sentinel Woods after using high mechanics (somewhere between 12 and 14) and living tools to shut down the pylons you can kill the sentinel creations and they won't fight you.

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Radiance in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #6
I used the artifact greaves, thirsting knife, and gauntlets that all had vampiric touch together. You don't always get a drain. The amount seems to be the total of the numbers and it can happen when you use essence shackles and other non-damaging spells.
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Southforge Item Stealing in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #14
Captain Zakary in the south barracks rooms gives the quest. I found the easiest thing to do is just sit in the room where he stashes the loot along its east side so you are far enough away and read a book until the message appears on the screen that you caught him.
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Keeping items in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #3
Most of the items that were collection quests from previous games aren't needed this time. You still need the creations parts for recipes and the gemstones and the red crystals with wiry moss and saltweed for other forged items.

I found that my money problems went away in Chapter 4 when the first time through I finally decided to start selling almost everything.
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Keeping friends in Blades of Avernum
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #1
There should be a way to do it since Jeff does it all the time in Geneforge 3 with Alwan and Greta. The flag would reset the NPC information to a set of desired values and cause the image to reappear.
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G4 Beta testing stories (SPOILERS) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #39
I think my servile doing almost all the quests is 34 when he finishes Chapter 3. My lifecrafter with 4 creations was about 32 at the same point.

By the time my lifecrafter reaches Quessa-Uss he is 38. The experience tweaks add about 10-15% more experience.

*grumble* 37th level in Burwood and I get no experience for most of my kills. I'm going to have to slaughter Western Morass just to make another level.

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Deathcap Mushrooms in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #2
Therile Colony has Yves in the building along the south side. Dialog choice 4 about the mushrooms will eventually send him out to check on his stash. If he spots you before he reaches it hw will wandee off and you will need to find a different site to watch from. If he spots you after the message where you see him checking his stash them a fight will happen. Don't fight him unless you have the health to withstand the damage.
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Purity Workshop in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #4
I forgot to mention that if you haven't built up combat skills, you really need to. Jeff made northern Illya a bit easier than in the early betas, but by this point you really need to have more than the initial fighting skills.
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Southforge Item Stealing in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #4
You may have to do the waiting several times because if you are too close then these people will leave. You only need leadership of 5.
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Melee, Missle, and Spell - The New Balance in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #2
You actually need to balance melee and missle since some creations (drayk, kyshakk, and wingbolt) do significant less damage if you can back them into a corner so they have to use a melee attack. There are some encounters where melee attacks mean that they will get to slow, curse, or weaken you each time either you or they hit. Monarch in Chapter 3 is a slow when he does melee attacks.

Slarty - since you seem not to have played much. Be sure to kill enough patrol roamers in Chapter 2 the Secured Crossroads to get the nimble sandals (dexterity +2) and Chapter 4 Fort Raevinn the stability boots (dexterity +2) dropped if you help the Rebels.

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Do You Feel Lucky? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #5
I had luck of 2 (one from skill points and one from lucky charm). The thahdskin tunic I got twice the first few times and then never saw again until the Illya West Road where the patrol thahds dropped them. The fyoraskin cloak is the same way and I got them in Shardfied, Spireford, and Dillame Fields from fyoras.

Both items are nice if you can get them before better items come along.

I used the minimum luck of 3 with the Mayor in Dillame. I found that having more luck wasn't worth it.
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Purity Workshop in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #1
There are two approaches through the Purity Workshop B. The combat approach is along the east part and you have to fight off vlish, roamers, and clawbugs in the largest room and then hellhounds in the next room on your way to the kiln and its ruby. You need to be buffed and hasted before they see you. The best bet is to jump into the middle and try to daze as many as you can. Jeff thinks you can pick them off on the edge, but that's never worked for me.

The mechanic approach is along the south wall and requires about a dozen living tools to do all of it. There is a closed door on the south wall that opens to a spore box control. The first control panel only has two controls that can be changed and doesn't waste any tools for the ones that are stuck. This will allow you to safely pass over the heat panels to going north to the first door that opens when you get next to it. Save the game often so you don't have to do too much if you go the wrong way. Pass through the door into a corridor and go north past the now deactivated electrified field. The first room on the west side has Tinker's gloves. The path north goes to a library and eventually to the second control panel and healing and essence pools. The controls that you need are I think the first section A and vat controls for quadrant 4 need to be turned off. The other controls will let you loot the southwest corner and a few other areas. Make sure you are fully healed and recharged before going back south past the library and take the first door on the west side, You then follow the heat pads north until you see the pools of poison gas. Turning the vat controls off will reduce the poison/acid damage. Go into fight mode and haste yourself, There are some nice items in the far northwest corner. The door to the kiln is in the northeast part of the room and takes several rounds to open. Pay attention to heal and haste yourself. Continuing out the door on the other side leads to the Warded Sea Caves.

If you want to fight the rogue creations I recommend using a living tool to unlock the door on the east wall near the library since it puts you in the middle of them an gives you a better position to daze the most creations.

You have to do the Moseh quest for one side or the other to get into Chapter 3 and meet the trainer. If you help the Shapers enough you can get the Repair Moseh quest which gives you a Passage Bracelet that will make most of the creations in the Western Barrier Zone and Thornton not attack you.

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Jonathan Pollard's 22nd year of incarceration in General
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #19
quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:
Explain how U.S. intelligence belong to a foreign nation.

The US has entered into agreements with different countries, usally allies, over the years to share intelligence that is important to those countries, Israel has provided intelligence to the US about countries of interest to us and during past wars information about the effectiveness of US military weapons versus Soviet Union weapons back during the Cold War. In some cases Israel shipped captured Soviet planes and other intact items to the US for analysis.

Pollard contended that the information he passed on to Israel was covered under an agreement and was being withheld from Israel contrary to that agreement.
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Melee, Missle, and Spell - The New Balance in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #0
The early Geneforge games were heavily favored towards spellcasting and missle weapons since melee weapon fighting required closing with the target and still having 5 AP (action point) left to swing. The Geneforge 4 combat system allows an attack as long as you have 1 AP left. Now a melee fighter can race across the screen to hit the monster.

In hasted mode there are other advantages for the melee fighter. If you cast a spell or use a missle weapon like a baton or javelin, you are now frozen in place until the next turn (will skip the search item cheat). Melee fighters can swing at a nearby target and move to another one without penalty as long as they have 10 or more AP when the do the first attack. Now that massive damage and there are many items to boost melee damage can go to more than one target.

In hasted mode if you watch the APs left you can attack/spell, use 3 AP for crystal/pod/spore/rod action, and do another attack/spell. When you have 12 or more AP (usually with bonus AP items) you can do even more between the first and last attack/spell. This means now 3 to 4 actions each round instead of what used to be less under even the Geneforge 3 system.

But the new combat system makes melee fighting at least equal to a spell casting Agent type.
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Happy Thanksgiving Day in General
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #0
Happy to Thanksgiving Day to all the Spiderwebbers. Where we give thanks to the survival of the Pilgrims making it to the New World with the help of friendly Native American Indians. These Indians became the first of our allies to find out what happens when they are no longer helpful.
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Jonathan Pollard's 22nd year of incarceration in General
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #3
There was a report during one of the attempts to gain clemency during the second Bush administration by an intelligence expert that had access to the files pass on to Israel that one of those files that so outraged the first Bush administration was a list of agents hired by the US through Saudi Arabia during the Soviet invaison of Afganistan. The main agent was Osama bin Ladin. Before 9/11 Osama was on our payroll.
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Trainers in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #3
Never got to wipe out the 31st Regiment to find that canister.

Burke in Chickweed Bridge will train you and trade with you if you have leadership 6. You can get spellcraft for about 2400 and create artila. The best is that he teaches augmentation.

In the Sentinel Woods, a guardian shade will quest you to kill the other 3 shades in the crypts to the southwest that are locked. The reward is Spellcraft +1. He's in the north along a narrow path.

I'm not sure if you need more than leadership 6 for Shaper Darnell to improve your spellcraft.

I really need to type up my notes because I'm doing this mostly from memory.

Derenton Freehold, Orios Blaze has quest to slay Imprudent Drayk with the reward Dexterity +1, You need leadership 7 or more to suceed in quest.

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G4 Beta testing stories (SPOILERS) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #37
I did Chapter 3 as a Servile without recruiting anything but the 3 Servile Techs when I went into Northern Grosch to kill Monarch. The mines are worth almost a full level. The downside was that I got almost no experience killing the remaining creations in the Fens afterwards.

I went through the Bunkers helping out the Shapers. Once you kill Moseh or any of the others the remainder turn hostile. I tried repairing Moseh as a lifecrafter, collected the reward in Rivergate Keep, and went back to kill him. I got him surrounded by his hostile summoned fyoras and roamers in hasted bless mode. Over 400 points of damage a round for about 10 rounds and he wouldn't die. I know that Eliza is harder to kill after Moseh is repaired but she and Shaftoe are killable.

You get one mental health charm from Greta for killing Monarch and getting the papers. I don't like forging them because the madness gem is useful and hard to make.
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SYNERGY LIST: GF4?How To Forge Stuff And What It Does in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #8
It might be from the betas. The Sunstone Belt recipe was added much later in testing. I think once you make the item the info stays with it.
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G4 Beta testing stories (SPOILERS) in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
Member # 6785
Profile #35
Keep crossing with you Synergy

The Forsaken Lands Shaper Camp has a hut just past the electrified field on the north side with the spore box controls. Then there are four more huts with a few items like healing spores and other things that are of much value by the time you can get to them. Next is a minefield with a trigger that I couldn't disarm but I did survive buffed with augmentation, essence armor, steel skin, and protection. There are more troops with some agents, guardians, and shapers in a larger compound. There are 4 shaping platforms that provide an endless stream of kyshakks, war tralls, rodhizons (?), and I think it was wingbolt. There are 4 essence pods back here. You only get experience for the troops.

The best thing is to buff and attack the troops as they pass the electrified field. Then run when their numbers increase. Pop out to Southforge Citadel and back to loot and fight over again.

The Western Morass is a hit and run operation in Burwood. As a lifecrafter I had enough creations to kill everyone after a few trips. The west end has two shaping platforms that create vlish, but you can station creations to kill them while you explore after you kill the Shaper forces. Every time you return there will be some new guards that appear at the entrance.

You need to clear it to be able to find the entrance to Matala's Workshop along the north side following a path along the northeast corner. There is the recipe for the Girdle of Succor and the blademaster charm locked away so you need to fight the Golem.

Running a 35th level servile after Chapter 3 and killing Shaftoe. I went back and found that if you repair Moseh you still get the quests for Shaftoe and Eliza and the agate stone for the Eastern Rise. Then you can do the Rebel quest in Chapter 3 and still get the Shaper missions for Chapter 4. I tried to do the Soul twins by myself and kept getting slowed too much. The golem I found will key on the nearest creation so if you spine shield it with the usual buffs then keep healing with major heal and essence shackle the golem it should be doable.

When I did the Breeding Pit against the Unbound I sent my highest health creation to fight it and hung back healing.

Doing Jared's Wrecked Labs quest cuts his prices so I only bought the strong daze and other spells that he doesn't sell. The creations are better in the Shaper Camp for this point in the game except you can't get the barred drayk.

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SYNERGY LIST: GF4?How To Forge Stuff And What It Does in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Law Bringer
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Profile #6
The second dose is in the Western Morass (chapter 4) in I think the area with the summoning platform for the vlish (south side). My notes aren't clear in what was the next building past the Agent.
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