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We spoiled Americans in General
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #20
narpet made the point that jumped out at me. There are an ever-increasing number of Americans who are by no means rich. The middle class is being gutted. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. It is a very interesting historical study to see what enables a middle class to exist at all in the first place, and the requirements have evaporated in recent decades. The middle class as we have known it in America may, for some time at least, become a thing of the past.

That said, I can't help agreeing with the sentiment that we are, practically speaking, even when with relatively little money, quite spoiled and blessed to a degree we scarcely comprehend. A relatively low income American today with electricity, hot and cold running water, a supermarket down the road, and a car to drive, lives better than kings and queens of 100 years ago, arguably. I love my country, and want to do my part to help make it a better place, but I cringe and feel ashamed all too often being an American. I can't say I'm proud to be an American, because I think we need more humilty, rather than pride, if anything, but I can say I'm happy to be one, as bratty and obnoxious and petty and myopic and absurd as we are.

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Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #58
Not at all, BenS. It's a nice way to play the game. When I first played Avernum 3, my first SW game, I didn't steal anything that wasn't mine. I was a very polite PC. A PC PC?

Thanks for clarifying about the bricks, ewan. Yeah, good thinking, that maybe if you collected enough and put them somewhere they'd do something. Maybe they are kind of an easter egg in that unless you do exactly the right thing with them, they won't demonstrate their amazingness.

Or maybe Jeff got less than mind-bendingly creative with Sylak item #14 and made it just like the Exuberant Trash and the Nourishing Bowl and the Dancing Cloth.

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Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #55
quote:
Originally written by ewan:

Sylak's bricks sure multiply fast, huh? I've tried dropping *large* stacks of the(m), but no effect - another trash item?
They replicate AND you can't drop them? How could that be? I carried the bricks around a while. Nothing happened, so I put them down somewhere. What do you mean, "no effect?"

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help in faerie bazaar in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #9
Yes, I did that too, since you asked, but to trigger the go to jail dialog I have gotten, you only have to move around a bit inside the town once you leave a building after the fifth theft. After the four alarms set off, I went back and crossed the rune beneath Poot's shop and that was sufficient to get me jailed. As a Celt with a good reputation, if that contributes at all, I was let out after being in overnight. If Klesch is playing Romans, I expect the treatment might be different, but as Romans you should be able to have the Tool Use to disarm the alarms.

You seem to get four seen thefts in towns before you get in trouble. It's true in Nethergate Fort, Shadow Valley Fort, and Faery Bazaar. Where it might not hold up is for Celts vs. Romans in Faery Bazaar and Vanarium. I also haven't tested it in Goagh-Nar, Selkie Fen, Aethdoc, and some other such places.

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help in faerie bazaar in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #7
I just replayed it coming into the Bazaar for the first time as a Celt. I actually pilfered all four boxes, setting off all four alarms and got away with it. My reputation is very good at this point, enough to get the positive reward near Hollow Hills. As a Roman you might get far less leeway, and maybe as a Celt with less reputation. So, not sure, but I think I pilfered 3/4 of the boxes with a previous Celt party of four whose reputation was not quite as high at the time.

I did not know you could use a Guardian Spirit with those boxes, so that's cool to know. I am still wondering what keeps a Guardian Spirit with you after finishing a task. Faery Lore? Intelligence? Druidism?

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help in faerie bazaar in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #5
You can trigger at least two, if not three alarmed boxes in and under the Bazaar before they jail you. You have to not trigger at least one of the four available or you are in trouble. There are two trapped boxes under Poot's shop, which you can get at without crossing the runes if you are clever, and two in the Bazaar Keeper's Mansion that maybe with enough Tool Use you would not set off. Don't get greedy by going for all four unless you are able to not set off at least one of them.

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End Sequence in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
As I recall, it's a little south of the stairway in the middle of all those woodpiles. You really have to move around to each tile until you find the right one. Sounds like you just managed to not hit it. It is not against any wall though.

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End Sequence in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #7
clumsy me.

[ Wednesday, June 06, 2007 21:01: Message edited by: Synergy ]

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Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #50
There's a twisted moral tale in here somewhere. I try not to think too much about the moral implications of the SW games, because if you do think about it, it's rather disturbing. Nothing should explify this more than what I had to do in G4 as the Insidious Infiltrator to make the most powerful and able PC possible. The more you kill and steal, the better you get.

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SYNERGY LIST?Nethergate: Resurrection Items in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #23
Has anyone figured out what makes Sylak's Bricks amazing? They seem pretty unspecial to me.

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Long Live the Fighters in Richard White Games
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
Oh, if only the last statement were true.

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Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #46
As it turns out, the Rune Shield is broken, as is the Rune Reading given by the Knowledge Charm. I have notified Jeff, who will be releasing a patch to fix a few bugs, and hopefully, this will be fixed too.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Simulacrum, and Charm too powerful! in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
You still get that little whoopy yell when you use Woad, but there's not much point in using Woad. Magic is so much more powerful and doesn't leave you easier to hit. I do miss the Beserk character trait that made you randomly go Berserk when fighting. That was fun and felt more Celty than tons of magic and chain mail and the ability to train in some rather unuseful Tool Use. Methinks the rewriting of history hath blurred the species.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
What injustice in Richard White Games
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #6
quote:
Originally written by Anglo-Saxonking:

I expect that RW and SubTerra will get fused into the "Other Games"; Nethergate and Nethergate: Ressurection into "Nethergate Series"
Nethergate is not a series.

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Simulacrum, and Charm too powerful! in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #6
It hits me that this game is a bit messy in that Romans can cast magic at all. I'd have made it so that Romans have no magic and the Celts have less and lesser magic. I liked Bezerk and how Woad was used in the original NG. Those have been all but lost in the revision, alas. I'm finding the game less versatile and gratifying than G4.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Amateur historians in General
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #33
Noah's Ark
Six Mesopotamian flood stories
Occam's Razor
Tie it all together

Really now. What's the likely explanation.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Help! Trapped in Goagh-Nar in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #3
Are you sure you triggered the necessary dialog options with the King and the sprite? That front gate should be open, if so.

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Simulacrum, and Charm too powerful! in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #4
Duh. Like we were just discussing yesterday. OK, my brain needs nutrients. I'll get right on that.

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The Lonely Celt in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #48
These make sense. I was about to try to edit myself four players worth of Barter, except it is a special untrainable skill, so it can't be edited without a hack. I think the infinite gold tactic makes sense. Otherwise it's just purist nitpickery which makes your game five times longer and at least as many times more irritating as a singleton. I'm inclined to use the train option you just mentioned too. Games are meant to be fun, not micromanagement torture.

I made an argument some time back that the real rewards in SW games should be looted money you can buy stuff with, and some special gear you can pick up and use, but not sell for money. Carry/Sell is tedious, boring work that is about as useful as having the player have to eat, sleep, get dressed, or go to the bathroom for realism. Realistically, a player couldn't carry remotely enough to make this tactic how you'd get your funding anyway.

Trainers really should be more designed to work to further where you are at when you encounter them, or to give special new skills like in the earlier Avernums. I'm going to do the Celt singleton with some leeway in this regard, or I'll never stick it out.

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Simulacrum, and Charm too powerful! in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #2
This is hilarious. I assumed Simulacrum wouldn't work on the most powerful beings. I used it on the Gryphon Defenders and Fomorian Crushers. I never thought to try it on anything nastier.

Let's see...a Roman could just get Simulacrum by training one level of Beast Circle in Hagfen, using the +3 Beast Circle Hagfen reward, then killing Raven for another +3. It's rare most players would even have it as a Roman, and therefore have any reason to either Charm or Simulacratize Sylak. How about Titus and the Ifrit?

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[ Monday, June 04, 2007 19:47: Message edited by: Synergy ]

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The Lonely Celt in Nethergate
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #45
I was afraid of that. It's really annoying even having that Hagfen option as a singleton, just for one level.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Formello shade in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #8
You don't get the quest anywhere near Formello or Fort Draco. Unless you've played your way far into the Great Cave of Avernum, like I said, it's a long ways off till you get this quest and there is no way you can get it until late in the game.

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Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Formello shade in Avernum 4
Shaper
Member # 6292
Profile #6
Somewhere much further and later into the game. There's nothing you can do to get either the quest to kill the shades or the ability to do so quickly. Just enjoy playing the game and avoid the shades for now. It will all come together eventually.

And welcome to Spiderweb.

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