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It began in New London in General
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t Zeviz: Unfortunately, I'm usually just reiterating what is in the Voter's pamphlet. Facts and figures are from there, as well as various opinions. I have not omitted supporters or opposers of this measure. I am trying to use this venue both as a method of dissecting a real life electoral issue, and as an educational tool on the downsides of the ballot measure process.

These are the easy ones (39 and 40) with rather simple language and fairly simple implications. They get worse. Much worse.

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Originally written by Glory of Glorycles:

Snakes? Bah. STEAKS!
Are you insane?

When was the last time you saw Steaks on a Plane! ????

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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I'm not sure that difficulty of process is the issue here. The ballor measure differentiates between two types of condemnations of real property. In the new classification system, if the condemned property is transfered to a different private party there are certain things that can happen. One thing that can happen is that the government takes property, never uses it for a public purpose, then sells it. If this happens, the original owner can take the issue to court.

If condemned property is used for a public purpose, but the agreed price of condemnation is higher than the first offer, all attorney fees must be paid by the state. What this essentially means is that the buyer is setting the price at the highest level they can afford. This is not market price. If the buyer choses to bargain, they assume all costs incurred by both parties during the bargaining process, encouraging property owners to haggle for a higher price.

This will change the dynamic of property ownership, weaken the right of condemnation, and cost the state government more money. The money that is paid by taxpayers and would otherwise go to stupid things like schools, paving roads, replacing broken bridges, schools, state police, and schools. Estimated cost to the state (annually) is $8 to $17 million. Estimated cost to local government (annually) is $8 to $13 million.

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To be noted is that there are two solutions being presented in this ballot measure. One is a ban on a certain type of condemnation. The other is a financial penalty on all types of condemnation.

Do we accept both because one is good? Or do we say no to the good because we can't accept the bad?

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

No, I didn't forget Homeland. Homeland was not a choice.
If I'm gonna be wrong, I will be wrong in a big way.

No mistaking the wrongness of my choice. Nosireebob.

[ Friday, November 17, 2006 18:32: Message edited by: Spent Salmon ]

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Homeland.

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Argument in Favor
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Who are we and why do we support Measure 40?
In 1983 my husband and I, along with other parents of murdered children, created an organization named Crime Victims United.
Our Statement of Purpose: "To promote a balanced criminal justice system through public awareness and legislative action."
Our organization has battled for almost 23 years to make our purpose a reality. Our personal experience and legislative efforts have taught us:
Oregon's highest courts are consumed with the rights of the criminal defendant.If you live outside the areas of greater Portland, Salem, or Eugene, you will not be represented on the Appellate or Supreme Court.Oregon's Constitution has been extremely altered by judicial interpretations.Many who interpret our laws have no experience as trial judges.Our Constitution originally required higher court judges to be elected by districts.Who is in opposition?Oregon criminal defense bar.Oregon trial lawyers.Their justificationIt would be a hardship to travel to Salem.Supreme Court judges managed to bear this hardship from 1859 to 1910, they should be able to bear it in 2006.
Candidates from less populated areas would not be qualified to write opinionsThis elitest statement is inexcusable, especially considering some of the opinions written by Oregon's higher courts.
In my opinion, the real reason is that the defense and trial lawyers want to protect the advantage they have had in the courts over the last 30 years.
What to expect this measure to accomplishBring more representation to all citizens of Oregon/Seat more judges with trial experience.Provide knowledge of issues vital to the safety and economy of all Oregonians.Reduce pressure from self-serving individuals and organizations who disregard the impact on the rest of the state.Please vote 'YES' on Measure 40. It's simply fair and good government.Dee Dee Kouns
Founder, Crime Victims United
That is a sample, and not one of the many sent in by the Russell fellow. I liked this one because of the bullet points. They made me happy. Edited formatwise

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From wikibot:
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Vegetarians taken broadly do not suffer malnutrition, and so must receive at least most of the protein and amino acids important to humans from eating a variety of incomplete complementary plant proteins. If ideal nutrition is possible, intake of such foods must be larger since the protein percentages in these foods are comparatively lower than in a similar serving of meat. Attaining sufficient protein intake is rarely a problem in developed countries, and vegetarianism advocates have alleged that possible lower protein intake of vegetarians may cause some of the health benefits below.

A vegetarian diet does not include fish - a major source of Omega 3, though some plant-based sources of it exist such as soy, walnuts, pumpkin seeds, canola oil and, especially, hempseed and flaxseed.

Some suggest that vegetarians have higher rates of deficiencies in those nutrients which are found in high concentrations in meat. However, studies endorsed by the ADA found that this was not the case for either iron or calcium. Vitamin B12 and zinc from vegetarian sources other than dairy products and eggs are not readily absorbed by the body and a vegan diet usually needs supplements. [15] Nonetheless, these nutrients are now commonly supplemented in milks and cereals in the western world, and are not necessarily a problem in a vegetarian diet.

By and large the reduction of diet to vegetables is not harmful, but one does have to consume more food to equal the protein available in meat and fish. Now, I understand that for some people and lifestyles that this is not an issue. I, on the other hand, consume roughly 3,500 calories a day, mostly protein and fat, and burn through all of it. Like I said in a previous post, I'm not gonna try to convince anyone that they need to add delicious healthy meat and fish to their diets. Likely they live in an area where direct selection of the living animal is impossible, reducing the choices to a sanitarily wrapped piece of flesh located behind a sneeze guard. That doesn't sound so yummy, but until one has had the opportunity to sample the real taste of real food, it doesn't serve to turn up one's nose. ;)

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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To me, the most cogent argument is that vegetarians (and the various subcultures) labor to explain not only why they choose to stunt their growth through an inadequate diet, but why omnivores should also limit their diets. It cries of desperation, a last ditch effort to justify illogical behavior through mass delusion.

I rarely see omnivores proslytizing directly to the herbivores. ;)

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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quote:
Originally written by Oscar Wilde:

I know of many people far dumber than a cow.
You should really pick better friends.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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It is an open, non-partisan election already. Any judge can run for the Supreme Court, whether from the Steens Mountains or from the west hills of Portland. The question is, why should they continue to live there during their tenure in the court?

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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The fact that you are willing to "eat plants" and don't admit that you are killing them in the process leads me to think that this self-delusion is deep. They may not have brains, but they do react to pain much in the same way as animals. I find it remarkable that society still has room for people who refuse to eat food. People who would rather overpopulate the plant with ruminants than eat a healthy diet. There is not enough soy-friendly soil to support the diet which you would have for everyone.

But evolution happens, and eventually it will all come out in the wash. Those who can and do eat all available food will get one end of the stick, and those that limit their food intake to the moral high ground will get free colonoscopies.

:P

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Oscar Wilde:

Christ.
Funny you should mention that. He supposedly taught people to fish so that they could feed themselves. Not sow wheat, but fish.

And...
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doesn't like you hurting plants.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Measure 40 is one of my favorites for this year. It simply says that Oregon judges within the Supreme Court and Court of Appeals must represent disparate districts within the state and reside in those districts while holding office.

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Now understand that Oregon is a big state. And there is only one Supreme Court, located in Salem. Does it make sense to force judges to drive up to 8 hours a day to go to work?
You can thank Kevin Mannix for this one.

Incidently, the biggest contributor of Opinion on this one is R Russell Walker, who decided to send in 22 manifestos (at $500 a pop) for his Our Courts Committee.

So, what do you think? Force Judges to maintain one residence and drive all the time? Perhaps they should maintain two residences? Or leave it as it was and let them live near their place of work?

[ Friday, October 20, 2006 09:00: Message edited by: Spookee Salmon ]

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Oscar Wilde:

And?

I WOULDN'T WANT TO.

Rule #1 - If you don't catch the fish, the fish can catch you.

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Meh.

You couldn't catch a fish if thrown in the shark tank at Seaworld.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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quote:
Originally written by Oscar Wilde:

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Originally written by Spookee Salmon:

no.

The act of killing makes me hunger for more killing.

My high horse has been mounted, although the stupidity of your argument is more than argument enough back.

You are suffering indigestion from too much hydrogenated pork product. Please reduce the dosage.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Oscar Wilde:

quote:
Originally written by Tyranicus.:

I tend to consider the satisfaction of my hunger a reason. :P
And would other, non-meat foodstuffs satiate that hunger?

no.

The act of killing makes me hunger for more killing.

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.No broadcast signal enters this house. The holier than thou I'll never own a television no matter what crowd should take notes.
Watching your computer screen when watching a movie is silly. Unless you have your computer in front of a couch, a suitable distance away, with a coffee table in between for popcorn or drinks. But then it is just sad, you know, to have your computer set up in the living room like it is the center of your life. That is what the big, dark television is for. Put the computer in a back room on its own. Preferably have the television in its own room as well. Preferably spend as little time as possible in either room. On no accounts, and I realize this only applies if you have your own house, allow the dog to control the access to either the computer or the television. Dogs are very poor sharers.

Trust me.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

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Originally written by Delicious Vlish:

Back in my day, we stared at @ all day.
Respect.

We worked damn hard to get you that @. You better be grateful.

All we had was text. Beautiful, beautiful text.

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Originally written by Ghost of Diknyoba:

Dikiyoba's lack of a television also extends to DVD collections of TV shows. It's still nice.
I'm torn between cretin and heathen.

How about hrethin? Mmmm no. Crethen!!!

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I ended up googling it, but it has been too long. Maybe death?

Edit - Umm. Really no legitimate excuses here. Didn't scroll down. Only saw the first response. Thought I could be helpful. I did manage to sync the times so that it appears like they were posted simultaneously. Almost.

Grrr...

[ Thursday, October 19, 2006 20:32: Message edited by: Spookee Salmon ]

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Just call them 'net flicks and don't worry about the confusion.

Other than that, I am a bit concerned when I see a collection that involved ST:This and ST:That. Are they all so freaking awesome that you needed to save them forever? Or are you just the type of person that likes that type of show and thinks every other worthwhile human being should think likewise?

The only DVD's I own are not important and dilute the meaning of this thread (about television series which have been cancelled or otherwise ended). The rest are rentals, like GOD INTENDED US TO SEE THEM!!!!

[ Thursday, October 19, 2006 20:43: Message edited by: Spookee Salmon ]

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One should not have to repeatedly stare at corrected errors.
:)

Edit - Well. And maybe less overall apparent involvement by me. Unless you are deliberately setting me up. In which case, I look forward to it.

[ Thursday, October 19, 2006 21:11: Message edited by: Spookee Salmon ]

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Seriously, you will. DVDs are not toys. They are an incredible delivery system for worthy television shows which somehow never were noticed until several seasons had passed. I can think of several I missed, and having now watched, am sorry. My viewership may have kept them from cancellation-land.

Currently I'm watching Firefly. Just finished disc 2.

I have watched Freaks & Geeks with enjoyment, although few cast members continued in worthy roles. Malcolm itM needs more seasons released on DVD. 24:Season 1 will be the next serial in this house.

Please, name your favorites in the vast pool of forgottens.

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Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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