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written Wednesday, February 28 2007 06:28
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I liked the individual skill points instead of levels in the original Nethergate, probably mostly because it was different from any other Spidweb game. But eh — it wasn't a very big deal, so I'm hoping that other things will make up for this. [ Wednesday, February 28, 2007 06:29: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 22:34
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quote:Depends on what you mean by "romanticise," I guess. My first reaction is, no. Enjoying the Iliad makes me want to visit Homeric society for a day or two, but not to live a lifetime there, and it certainly doesn't make me think that Achilles and Odysseus were better than modern-day people, or that the Homeric age was better than the present day. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 21:56
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Alec: I suppose we're talking about personal tastes, here. Meh. As for the idea that reviving Latin is silly, well, it probably is. :P But aren't some of the things that you do for fun kinda silly, too? Randomizer: You're mixing two things: reviving a dead language and trying to prevent an endangered language from dying out. There were no native speakers of Hebrew for a while. Now there are. That's reviving. Navajo has never completely died out, so it can't be "revived" in the same sense of the word, just re-popularized. Thuryl: Yes, I probably agree with most of what you're saying, but it ends up not mattering very much to me in this case. I can still enjoy reading the Iliad without wanting to bring back the Bronze Age social structure. Orson Scott Card has views that I find repugnant, but I can still enjoy his books. [ Tuesday, February 27, 2007 22:00: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 21:07
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quote:Probably so. I read fiction as fiction — it's not real. Apparently others don't, but this seems strange to me. quote:Not really, no. Leaving aside the fact that Vergil was pretty well smack-dab in the middle of the Roman period, so quite a bit that is more recent than Vergil still exists from ancient Romans, there's still a great deal of Renaissance literature. I suppose I've taken as obvious that we'd have a veritable Switzerland, with probably Latin, Greek, English, and German all as official languages, and assume that just about everyone would be at least bilingual. There's nothing preventing modern native Latin speakers from learning English or German or French or whatever and translating those ideas into Latin. As wz. pointed out, people are currently doing that with many languages that didn't previously have those sorts of writings. Latin-speakers would, of course, write their own stuff, too. I did mention that there would be a university associated with this small island in the Mediterranean, so part of the point would be to have a few departments of various different things. We could have departments of Latin, Greek, English, German, history, religion, philosophy, biology, chemistry, and physics, at the very least, to start out. We'd probably only need a few dozen professors to start out. Part of the early research of the departments would be to put modern ideas into good Latin and Greek, so your objection fades to nothing at this point. [ Tuesday, February 27, 2007 21:08: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 15:20
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quote:But they didn't. Old Spanish and Modern Spanish are not the same, any more than Old Spanish and Late Latin are the same. The things that Latin turned into didn't stay, either, and the things that they are today aren't going to stay tomorrow. quote:All usage is unstable. Modern English isn't any easier to pronounce than Middle English, even if it did come later. There's nothing harder about saying /i:/ than saying /ai/, but the Great Vowel Shift happened nonetheless. Alec: Now you're talking about whether it's worthwhile to revive Latin or not, which is a slightly different issue. Claiming that Latin is not worth reviving because it's impossible to express modern ideas in Latin is completely idiotic, because it's not true. However, it would be possible to have a debate about the merits of doing such a thing. I don't really care about the merits of doing such a thing, because my interest in it would mostly be fun. The question was, after all, what would you do (i.e. for fun) if you had the time and resources? I do think that there are terrible problems with Latin pedagogy that can only be solved by teaching the language as one would teach a living language, and the easiest way to do that is to revive it, but that's only half the point. I do think that your ideas about why I would do this are totally off-base (a "regressive aesthetic"?), but you've never really been able to wrap your head around the idea that I just like Latin and Greek literature and don't think that they're superior to any other kind. I study Latin and Greek for the same reason that someone might study German or French literature, because the texts are enjoyable and entertaining. However, I do think that it's completely ignorant and pig-headed to claim that they are worse than any other literature, no less than it is to claim that Chinese literature is worse than English (or any other such comparison). What I find enjoyable and what I find right are not at all at cross-purposes, and saying that they are is confusing and probably really stupid. I can enjoy reading the Iliad without wanting to recreate a patriarchal, aristocratic, Bronze Age society in the present. Likewise, I can want to be able to speak Latin without wanting to re-institute slavery, invade Iran, and constrain women to the protection of men at all times of their lives. You can read a story and like it as a story without wanting to live what the characters are going through yourself. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 08:12
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quote:Also not very hard. German in the 1930's was spoken by Nazis. Does that mean that you can't do anything but talk about world conquest and racial purification in German? quote:No... and this is again so untrue that I'm not sure where you're getting it. What we mean by "domestic" is "of or relating to the house" (and the Latin word for it is domesticus, by the way — you could equally well say that English doesn't have a good word for "domestic" and we just use the Latin one). What a Latin-speaker would mean by it is the same. If you mean "domestic," as in "domestic affairs of a nation," there's another, separate word (or possibly phrase — I forget) for that. quote:Actually, your facts are wrong here. The Oxford Classical Texts still all have introductions in Latin, and no one has accused them of being handicapped by their language choice. I will grant that they're not trying to say anything revolutionary in interpretation, but they are trying to provide an overview of modern criticism in Latin, and no one has suggested yet that they cannot pull it off. quote:"Basic robustness" is not a linguistic term. "Vocabulary" is a concern, yes, but I said that we could admit new vocabulary where needed (ideally in the form of calques and compounds from classical terms.) The grammar and syntax are the most important things to preserve, and these will not (and cannot) prevent people from expressing modern ideas. quote:I'm pretty sure you could grab a phrase out of Plautus or Petronius and it would work. Alternatively, a compound could do it. quote:Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. quote:This is an interesting (but wrong) point. There was commonly assumed to be inequality involved in romantic relationships. However, this inequality was expressed largely through the metaphors that were used, not the basic vocabulary itself. One would only have to use different images for romantic activity, and the idea of equality be expressed in Latin. The same unequal images were used in English for many centuries, but English can now express equality (which is a Latin word, by the way). quote:This is remarkably ignorant of you to say. There is no reason at all to believe that sound change and grammatical shift in general always improve a language's flexibility and ability to express new concepts. One can cite instances of it doing so, and one can cite instances of it doing the opposite. You could equally say, if "meet" and "meat" ought to be pronounced differently, people would still pronounce them differently. Language doesn't work like that. People don't shift sounds because the result is better (nor because the result is worse). People just shift sounds, and sometimes that leads to problems with grammar (because old distinctions break down). quote:You are so unbelievably wrong that it is hard to know where to start. People in the seventh century didn't get together and say, "Hey, I don't know if this Latin thing is working out anymore. Let's speak something else." "Hey, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I want to be a feminist!" Sound change just happens. quote:I am enough of a linguist that I can tell you that the reason is Grimm's Law, not feminism. As for Latin being adapted to be relevant in the Dark Ages: no. Latin changed in the Dark Ages because people didn't read enough Classical Latin anymore, so first-language infiltration and a whole of of other things became problems. Good Classical Latin of the sort that I'm talking about was still written in the Renaissance, and they didn't have any trouble expressing their ideas. Milton was even able to be revolutionary and heretical in Latin. Are people incapable of writing contemporary literary criticism in Modern Hebrew? Are people incapable of being liberal, revolutionary, and countercultural in Icelandic? No, nor would they be in a revived form of Latin. quote:It's usually not even in what was originally English. Scientists talk about "leptons," from the Greek word for "light" (opposite of "heavy," as opposed to "photons," from the Greek word for "light" = electromagnetic radiation). The telescope didn't exist in classical antiquity, but the term comes from classical roots. This is true of a great deal of scientific vocabulary, which is why it would be so easy to turn it back into Latin and Greek, because that's what it's coming from. [ Tuesday, February 27, 2007 08:20: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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One question that interests me is: how did the concept of an "experiment" develop? People have been interested in modeling reality for a long time, but the idea that someone would go into a lab and test a hypothesis is a fairly new idea. Galileo (Milton's friend — I love this fact) did some experiments, and he may have been the first one in history to do so. As far as "understanding" goes, the ancients thought of everything in anthropomorphic terms (or philosophical ones — the elements, fire, air, water, earth). The idea today that one should check one's preconceived notions at the door is completely foreign to ancient natural philosophy; your preconceived notions are what you go off of. So, just as classical gods were often simply abstract nouns given human qualities (Cupid is just the Latin word cupido, "desire"), so too were their explanations of phenomena often anthropomorphic. [ Tuesday, February 27, 2007 00:08: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:10
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quote:w00t -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:08
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quote:FYT. :P [ Monday, February 26, 2007 23:47: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:04
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Tullegolar is right. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:03
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I think we've eventually concluded that the primary reason that BoA hasn't produced as many scenarios as BoE is that it's far harder to make a BoA scenario than a BoE one. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:00
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quote:Not precisely Latin vs. Greek, since they're both Latin. It has to do with a coincidence that contra ("against") is frequently abbreviated con, and cum ("with") often assimilates to con in compounds. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 15:48
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Latin by native speakers has not been written in about fifteen hundred years, sure. But science was written in Latin up until pretty recently, and scientific terms are mostly still in Latin and Greek. Teaching science in Latin would be incredibly easy (think of species and genera names in biology). I'm not saying that I'd avoid new phrases for new concepts, but I'd make some effort to make sure that the basic language was the same, even if the technical vocabulary wasn't purely, one-hundred-percent classical. And if we could teach science, everything else would follow pretty easily. quote:I'm hoping that you're kidding, because this is otherwise an incredibly stupid thing to say. quote:This is completely false, and it's so wrong that I don't have any clue what gives you this idea. How did you come to this conclusion? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 14:19
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Be sure to check out the relevant resources, too. Alint is a good thing, and my links list has some good stuff, including Spidweb's bugs page, which has a note or two about line number problems. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 14:12
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Well, I'm by no means an expert, but I'll try to explain. Science is largely about building conceptual and calculational models that predict the future. For example, the success of Newtonian mechanics is that, if you have a ball and an inclined plane and satisfy a bunch of conditions (near the surface of the Earth, air resistance is negligible, etc.), Newtonian mechanics tells you what will happen. It gives the acceleration, the time it takes for the ball to roll down the slope, the speed the ball will have, and so on. In science, your models are supposed to match up to experimental data, both past and future, and they are judged on the extent to which they do this. In natural philosophy, experimental data is almost entirely irrelevant. Very few people (possibly no one) in the ancient world actually design and carry out an experiment to verify a claim. Natural philosophy is more interested in the moral lessons that can be learned and analogies that can be made using natural phenomena. For example, the aforementioned Seneca goes into a discussion of mirrors and what they are and how they work, and after some explanation, he describes the tale of Hostius Quadra, which serves no scientific purpose but instead a philosphical one, to impart a moral lesson. This is a large part of the reason why he's talking about mirrors, not so that we can perform experiments by shining lasers on them and observing where we see light and match this up to theoretical predictions, but so that we can know what proper place mirrors have in our moral and ethical lives. Now, this explanation of the difference between science and natural philosophy makes some distinctions that get much more complicated upon further inspection, and some of what natural philosophers are doing is a lot like science (usually bad science), but I think that there is a difference, and it's worth at least noting. I may write a thesis on this, so check back in a year and I may have a lot more to say about this. :P [ Monday, February 26, 2007 14:14: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 13:56
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quote:No, not really. Spanish-speakers and Italian-speakers can kind of understand some basic Latin (especially once they get some sound changes figured out), but they certainly can't read or speak full Ciceronian Latin. And Ecclesiastical Latin is fine for hymns and chants, but one would be hard-pressed to speak it, since it destroys certain distinctions that are critical to comprehension (not just authenticity). I might equally argue that it's silly for a speaker of German to try to learn Icelandic, because the two are almost the same thing. quote:And that "reason" is... mispronunciation? It's not as though sound change replaces an older form with a better new form. Alternatively, I could argue: there's a reason why stage English pronunciation is more archaic than conversational English pronunciation. But my real goal in doing this would be to have people learn Latin better and faster than they do now, because living-language teaching techniques beat the stuffing out of dead-language teaching techniques. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 26 2007 13:40
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Aristotle was not by any means a scientist in the modern sense of the term. He was a philosopher whose work included natural philosophy, and I'm starting to understand (reading Seneca's Natural Questions and soon to start on Pliny the Elder's Natural History) that, while textbooks try to fudge the difference between natural philosophy and science by claiming that one was just the precursor of the other, they really are quite different in their approaches and pretty different in their goals. Aristotle was a very good natural philosopher. He wasn't trying to do science, so the fact that he wasn't a good scientist isn't a black mark on his record at all. [ Monday, February 26, 2007 13:42: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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As I've indicated once or twice before, I'd probably buy an island in the Mediterranean, found a small university/tourist attraction, and revive Latin and Attic Greek. We're just now reaching the generational point in Classics where it is no longer inconceivable to revive Latin as a spoken language and teach it as one would a living language. Classical pronunciation (of Latin, at least) was solved several decades ago, and we could without too much difficulty develop truly authentic pronunciation and conversational vocabulary and syntax. At that point, it's just a matter of speaking it enough to be fluent. If the Israelis could do it with Hebrew, we can do it with Latin and Attic Greek. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Hmm. I'd pay $10 for this. Sounds good to me. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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quote:FYT. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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One of the things about Exodus that seems to have thrown some people for a loop is that you can't rely on the same type of damage all the time. If you're used to doing melee damage, well, a lot of creatures have significant melee immunity (and some are completely immune). If you're used to doing fire or magic damage, some creatures are immune to that. The key to many fights is figuring out what the thing is vulnerable to, which usually isn't very hard once you start thinking this way. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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quote:Hrm. This interested me, so I looked it up, and the Oxford English Dictionary (on the English side) notes that the etymology is somewhat doubtful but probably from religare (to bind), or alternatively (and less likely) from relegere (to read again). The Lewis and Short Latin Dictionary (on the Latin side) gives the same thing, but also notes that, for example, "law" comes from the same "bind" root. As far as I can tell by the original Latin definition, religio had nothing to do with binding an empire together and much more to do with being constrained by the rules of right and wrong. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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quote:Yes, that really clears it up. :rolleyes: -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Oh, one other thing: I think it's interesting to ask the reverse question, too, namely, why is our modern concept of same-sex relations so totally different from that of the Romans and Greeks? Evidently, the modern notions are descended from Jewish culture, passed through Christianity, which in a swoop in Late Antiquity wiped out large parts of the old culture with the old religion. Early Christianity disapproved of the man-boy thing, and that's why it died out. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Thuryl is probably wise not to trust the Iffybot. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |