Avernum's Better
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Agent
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written Monday, February 26 2007 16:24
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What's the best improvements is the Avernum trilogy (I mean how it's better than the Exile trilogy)? I think it's the number of quests and amount of dialogue. -------------------- WWJD? Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, February 26 2007 17:26
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Elevation. Skill system. Dialogue system. Existence of Lost Bahssikava. —Alorael, who admits that it's not a very impressive list written like that. He does, in fact, prefer Avernum anyway. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Monday, February 26 2007 18:22
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Avernum is better, but I am still wondering about the little cutscene on the Exile 3 Menu, for when you load up Exile 3. Where is the cave that the cutscene shows? Edit -sorry for the off topicness, but I had to ask this. [ Monday, February 26, 2007 18:23: Message edited by: Infernal Flamming Muffin ] -------------------- I can transform into almost anything, though not sanity. Of course it would be quicker if you were a mod and were able to do the linking yourself -Micawber Posts: 1799 | Registered: Sunday, February 4 2007 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, February 26 2007 18:26
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I'll agree with Alorael on what is better. Exile still has a better spell list. The dialog system changed, but it pretty much had the same content. Avernum 3 had those nice caches to find. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, February 26 2007 23:10
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quote:w00t -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 06:20
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The terrain's a bit more realistic. There's more dialogue, and a better dialogue system in general. More quests. You can get special skills and abilities, in addition to the basic set. You have a reputation, which can influence events. If you have a high enough Cave Lore/Nature Lore skill, you can avoid some potentially nasty fights. Exile's spell system is better, though, since there's a much wider variety, and your combat spells can target open spaces (warning: and your PCs too) and not just monsters. Bring back Shockwave! -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 08:08
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quote:Exile 3 also had this feature. Personally, I prefer Avernum, but when I think why, it always goes down to two things - I like being able to attack in not in combat mode (in Exile you HAD to enter combat to fight), and I don't like respawning dungeons (in Exile, monsters come back to dungeons even if you wipe them out completely). Plus it looks nicer :P -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 14:04
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quote:I don't remember it, and I played nothing but E3 and BoE for about a solid year. All I remember about avoiding combat is a message that said: "Combat: Monsters fled!" -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 14:44
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quote:That cave is actually an easter egg. I think it's somewhere in the northwest of Valorim, near the coast of Footracer province. If you enter it exactly on a day that is a multiple of 11 wearing only Vahnatai cloaks and carrying only sticks as weapons, you can battle Undead Emperor Hawthorne. Beat him, and you win the Xian Skull. Betcha didn't know that one existed in Exile, eh? [Sorry, I got carried away.] --- I feel nostalgic very often, and I prefer Exile for their nice atmosphere. But the Avernums had the advantage of being second attempts, and got smoother both in terms of interface and story. So it's sort of like Star Wars. Except Jeff didn't make Erika shoot first in Avernum 3, nor did he introduce annoying computer-animated aliens. -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, February 27 2007 17:39
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quote:There is no need for your saying that. Most of the time a topic discussion never stays on subject. I have to say, I think the Avernum trilogy would have been cooler with a cutscene in the main menu. The Exile trilogy was better in that sense. EDIT: Exile III also had a cheat that reset junk shops. I used that when I saved up for a mithral chain mail. [ Tuesday, February 27, 2007 17:47: Message edited by: Excalibur ] -------------------- WWJD? Posts: 1384 | Registered: Tuesday, February 6 2007 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, February 28 2007 12:32
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That's going in my sig, Aran. :D [ Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:33: Message edited by: Tyran ] -------------------- "It's sort of like Star Wars. Except Jeff didn't make Erika shoot first in Avernum 3, nor did he introduce annoying computer-animated aliens." —Arancaytar The Spiderweb Chat Room Shadow Vale - My site, home of the Spiderweb Chat Database, BoA Scenario Database, & the A1 Quest List, among other things. Posts: 178 | Registered: Thursday, April 6 2006 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, February 28 2007 12:57
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quote:Same here. And let's not forget to bring some extra cash for little things like knowledge brew, and rings of health, and boots of speed, and a spare Demonslayer,... :D -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, February 28 2007 14:04
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I like the new treasure you can get in Avernum. Rings, drinking cups, all sorts of good stuff. Posts: 7 | Registered: Wednesday, February 28 2007 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, February 28 2007 19:30
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By Tyran: quote:Thank goodness; I'm finally gone. ;) -------------------- The charity that is a trifle to us can be precious to others. - Homer You gave both dogs away? You know how I feel about giving! - Homer Simpson Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 2 2007 07:36
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Although in general I prefer Avernum over Exile, I forgot to mention two ways I prefer Exile over Avernum. First, it's a lot easier to buy knowledge brew early on, allowing you to pump up your PCs fairly easily. Second, (spoiler) if you have a high alchemy skill, you can use it to make a huge fortune in Lorelei. -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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quote:I've just checked, and you can avoid fights. You get a small dialog box asking if you want to skip the battle... At least, you can in Upper Exile. -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, March 2 2007 10:02
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If I remember correctly, E1 has much weaker monsters simply run away from you so you never enter combat and E3 gives you the choice to fight them or not. I can't recall which way E2 handles it. —Alorael, who hasn't played any of the Exile Trilogy in the last year or two. Excluding E3 it's been even longer. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |