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Because I don't like the gameplay in GF. Not everyone does.

EDIT: I failed to delete enough of that quote. It's not the "different" part that bothers me. It's the "Geneforge" part. Also you might want to calm down a bit.

[ Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:50: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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quote:
Originally written by VCH:

I believe people that are close to JV have confirmed a new engine. Though I've never seen an official mention of that.
The first post of this thread has links that explain how we know what we know.

quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

Hopefuly the gameplay will resembe Geneforge a bit more.
God, I hope not.

[ Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:47: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

Frankly, unless you are an experienced Spiderweb junkie, you will be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a screenshot of 3 different Avernum games which game is which.
Mostly that means that their engines are very similar. I do remember a fair number of individual dungeons in A1, A2, and A3, which is probably a better judge of their merit.

I could play with the same general interface and approximately the same engine for a long time — that's what Blades fans do, after all — but if all the towns and dungeons are completely faceless, I'd get pretty sick of it after a while.

A number of AT towns and dungeons really stood out — even in A3, the towns were really outstanding (Lorelei, Gale) — and in Nethergate, even more did.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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I would also get that Stughalf banned. Who knows what terrible feelings he has repressed in there? :mad: :mad: :mad:

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You know, someone can like different things from what you do without being a complete idiot.

We're playing computer games, here. Would you argue with someone who likes different kinds of food than you do?

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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No one has designed an Avernum-style game for BoA yet. BC was sort of close, but it had less direction than Avernum and a little bit less of all the things that make Avernum good. The reason to play an A4 while BoA exists is that no one designs in the same style as Jeff, and some people like Jeff's style.

I do very much hope that GF4 and GF5 aren't just duplicates of GF3 and GF2. I really felt that GF1 was interesting, but GF2 was pretty much more of the same with a few engine improvements, and GF3 was yet more of the same with a few more engine improvements. I got pretty sick of the same thing over and over again by GF3.

I just hope that A4 does the things that made Nethergate and the AT fun. GF just doesn't do it for me, and if he makes A4 into a GF game, I'll be pretty annoyed.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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I never did on any of my run-throughs of the AT, even the first. And I'm not exactly, you know, competent. :P

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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When I am lord and god — I mean moderator of General — we finish the job we started to do on MM's account. :P

Oh, and I FYT every single one of TM's posts inside the post itself.

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Ash, you don't even play computer games anymore. Why even bring it up? :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Marx' Martyr:

Did you know? The official board policy, as stated by Mariann, is that damn, ass and hell are okay. You don't have to edit them out.
Mr. Watts' moderation is, by the books, too harsh.

I don't now. I edited "damn" exactly twice and then stopped. You're just fortunate that your history of modship is now deleted so that I can't drag up all the things that you've done.

And I would appreciate it, Jeremy, if you would not refer to me by that name.

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[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 19:34: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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I think he was more pointing out that Jeff does not have much of a record of listening to suggestions at that point. The "someone will disagree with anything" was a transition.

But it's fun to dream, which is why people actually bother doing these Wish List topics.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Marx' Martyr:

You've got that all wrong. His design philosophy is more like: "If it's broke, then it ain't broke."
That's his customer service philosophy. :P

I'd like A4 to stay turn-based. I'd like it to involve scripts, like BoA, but I'd rather that it not go fully Geneforgized, because gosh darnit, it's an Avernum game. I'd like the villains to have realistic motives (like the vahnatai in A2, not the vahnatai in A3). I'd like there NOT to be another slith or vahnatai war. And I'd like an entirely new location — somewhere other than Valorim or mainland Avernum.

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 16:51: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Verelor:

unlike most of the people around here, I see the value of change and trying something that seems a bit out of there.
Perhaps you still need to be acquainted with Jeff's stated design philosophy: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." :P

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 15:54: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Actually, nearly any two designers would have the same problem. My design strategies are just as incompatible with, say, the collective Creator's as they are with TM's. This came as a surprise to me, but it's clearly true.

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quote:
Originally written by Tool:

We're a greedy bunch of jerks.
Absolutely! :P

But he does have small cutscenes already. There won't be huge animations in the style of — new RPGs that I don't play that have fancy graphics... Final Fantasy? — but there will be little ones, I presume.

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 14:48: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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IMHO:

1. Don't like it, don't want it. I liked the AT over the GF series by FAR.

2. He's doing this already. I just hope he doesn't go too far.

3. Don't like it, don't want it. I'll probably play with a duo anyway.

4. From another point of view seems unlikely. From another time, perhaps — this seems best to me.

5. I half-heartedly agree.

6. This gets requested all the time, but I don't really like the idea. The vahnatai are too different and unusual to play.

7. Not possible under Jeff's budget and time constraints.

8. They're designed for the Mac first, because Jeff primarily uses a Mac.

9. Yeah, agreement here.

10. Sort of agreed. Abilities at the moment are terrible, but low-level summoning is actually useful if you use it for the right things. High-level summoning, on the other hand, is pretty pointless.

11. Since Avernum has never had real classes, putting them in now seems like a bad idea. New skills may be okay, though.

12. You know I'm a fan of cutscenes. Well, if you play BoA. :P

13. I didn't think this mattered at all, but others seem to like it a lot. Eh, don't care.

14. Disagree here. I don't think it matters, and I'd rather that other graphics get an upgrade than ones that don't matter.

15. This was possible in Exile. Could be done again. Not too hard in BoA, so probably not too hard in A4. Not sure that I care, though.

16. Heh. I'm a fan of in-jokes. Agreement here.

17. Uh, no.

18. Yeah, definitely not.

19. Agreement here. I like the percentages.

20. Variety is always good. Agreed.

21. NO, NO, NO.

22. Uh, perhaps, but I doubt this is the direction that he's going.

23. Disagree. Slings should stay as they are.

24. Disagree. I don't even really know what you're talking about. But I loved the battle in front of the Ziggurat in A2 — large numbers of enemies both against you and allied with you, and you had to put your forces in the right places to make the biggest difference. I'd like to see that again.

25. Ewwwwwww. No. Please, god, no.

26. Hmm. Maybe. That might be interesting.

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 14:37: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Debate #1 for Moderator Election in General
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The guidelines I would follow for both RPs and political debates are that spam and flames are the warning signals. That is, RPs can go on for as long as people are actually RPing, but if they degenerate into spam, they should be locked. I have seen few RPs lately that needed locking, and the ones that actually did were fairly obvious.

Political debates are fine as long as people discuss the ideas. "Your point is terrible" is okay, but "You are terrible" is not as much so. If the "I hate you and you are stupid" posts occur repeatedly, a locking is in order. Generally my policy would be hands-off and stay-out as much as possible, and intervene here only when things get really out of hand, because I know and respect the board's history of political discussion.

Generally in conflicts involving oldbies, I would stay out until intervention was necessary, and then I'd probably request assistance from Drakey or Stareye. A fair number of oldbies tend to think that they're above moderatorial rule, but it's different if that person can ban you.

General is a bit different from the game boards, so I'd let a little more slide than I would on ET, AT, or GF3. If the topic changes dramatically on a game board to something not related to the game, I tend to lock the topic, but if that happens on General, I'd be a bit more lenient.

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Cropping isn't really the moderators' job. Admins may at times have to do that, but more likely, those sorts of decisions are made by Spiderweb themselves.

To be honest, a moderator really does only the following things: lock topics that direly need locking, warn people who are in grievous violation of the CoC, edit posts that are wildly offensive and (typically) pornographic, and conspire on the Mod Board.

I promise to do exactly that and no more, in rather the same fashion as I currently do on other boards.

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No, this specifies the amount of energy that a particular piece of mass represents. This equation is the representation of the statement that mass is a form of energy.

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My girlfriend is dead... in General
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My condolences.

I would like to mention that this calls to mind the need for more accessible and affordable treatment programs for alcoholics (at least here in the U.S. — not sure what the situation is in Sweden). Alcoholics are not bad people, but they need medical help, and usually it is extremely expensive.

Many lives could be saved with more available programs.

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quote:
Originally written by Inferior:

What Einstein meant with "C2", I do not know.
It's C^2, the speed of light squared. This is mass-energy equivalence: mass can be converted into energy and energy into masss, and in general, mass represents a great deal of energy since the proportionality constant is so large.

EDIT: Drakey beat me to it, but he's not running, so vote for me! :P

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 09:40: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

In my view, Kelandon's moderatorial record on these forums shows him to be unreasonably strict, even going so far as to edit people's posts to censor out the word "damn". These forums have a long history of not editing posts except under extreme circumstances (such as posting of offensive images or deliberate evasion of word filters), and I feel that ought to be respected.
I only did this once or twice and then stopped. You know this. This makes your attempt to paint me as "too strict" an obviously dishonest campaign move.

If anything, I'm a relaxed moderator. I've often let topics go until I had a clear and indisputable reason to lock them. You can see this in a recent GF3 topic, among many others. It went off-topic, but I let it go until it was so far in the realm of spam that there was no hope of recovery. I happened to be asleep at the time that this happened, or I would've gotten there sooner.

On the other side, Alec does a very interesting job of manipulating what people say to suit his own ends. I will give one example only and assume that others, one the pattern is pointed out, can observe the many other examples.

What I actually said:
quote:
Originally written by Manhood Typing Kelandon:

I read General, but I rarely post more than a few sentences.
What Alec claimed I said:
quote:
Originally written by George A. Custer & The SE Party:

his stated refusal to read General topics unless he is specifically mentioned, and his complete lack of involvement on this board.
The difference, I assume, is obvious. I said I lurk. He said I don't read the topics.

Alec is desperate.

EDIT: And I find it terribly entertaining that someone with my current Displayed Name could be called "too strict."

[ Wednesday, June 22, 2005 09:23: Message edited by: Manhood Typing Kelandon ]

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Similar to Dolphin.

1. Post to explain that a ban is imminent and he should e-mail Drakey if he wants to continue posting here and just made a mistake. Move the topic to the Mod Board, thereby alerting Drakey and taking the business out of public sight.

2. Post a warning in the topic that if the offender keeps this up, he'll get banned, and post on the Mod Board to alert Drakey.

3. Post to explain that posting games should be taken to a one of SW's spin-off boards and lock. If the one who posted it is a repeat offender, possibly post on the Mod Board.

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Beam projectors are a problem. I would advise against trying to do anything fancy with them.

That said, turn them on by putting a lit power source (terrain number 384) next to one and going to Town Details, and under Advanced Details, setting Beam Type to 1 or 2.

The beam from a projector will turn off when the power source next to it turns off, which it will never do on its own. You must always use a call to do this. You could put the specobj script on it and then pop up a dialog asking if the party wanted to turn of the projector, and if so, call a set_terrain to change the terrain to 388, for instance.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Beam projectors are a problem. I would advise against trying to do anything fancy with them.

That said, turn them on by putting a lit power source (terrain number 384) next to one and going to Town Details, and under Advanced Details, setting Beam Type to 1 or 2.

The beam from a projector will turn off when the power source next to it turns off, which it will never do on its own. You must always use a call to do this. You could put the specobj script on it and then pop up a dialog asking if the party wanted to turn of the projector, and if so, call a set_terrain to change the terrain to 388, for instance.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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