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Bunch of (mostly) pointless BoA editor questions... in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 16:23 Profile Homepage #6
Not that I'm opposed to testing things out, but the docs do specify exactly which items cause bad side effects if modified, under "Constant Item Types":

Food – Items 4 to 12 and 397 to 400.
Javelins, Arrows, Bolts - Items 84 to 88 and 99 to 108.
Alchemy Ingredients, Basic Potions, Scrolls - Items 214 to 263.
All the Tools - Items 171 to 178.
Crystals and Dust - Items 326 to 329 and 435 to 439.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Nature Lore & Pathfinder in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 16:23 Profile Homepage #4
I don't remember putting in anything about Nature Lore in LP. Certainly not in the default potion-gathering ability, at least. As Imban said, some other scenarios use the skill, though. Canopy has at least one special spell that involves it.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
MMMMM in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 12:34 Profile Homepage #382
In usage, it's a perfectly normal Latin word: if you said "virus" to a Roman, he would've understood what you meant ("poison"). It's a bit odd in declension, however, as it is missing some of its parts, and the parts that it has are slightly irregular, although not horribly so.

And declension is the thing that matters when we're talking about what the plural is.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
MMMMM in General
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 06:53 Profile Homepage #380
Wikipedia is perhaps unnecessarily mysterious in that "Plural of Virus" page. The plural in Latin (if it existed) would almost certainly have been "vira," which one can deduce from the genitive stem "vir-" and the gender of the noun (neuter).

I mean, unless they're going to postulate that it would be a heteroclite, but that seems somewhat absurd. Granted, the nominative case is a bit odd for a neuter noun, but still.

[ Friday, September 30, 2005 06:53: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Bunch of (mostly) pointless BoA editor questions... in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 06:42 Profile Homepage #4
Q1: Order matters. Imagine that all the instructions in corescendata get done in order first, and then all the instructions in your custom objects script get done in order next. Item 23 has already imported the older version of item 22 in corescendata, so whatever you do to item 22 in your custom objects script won't matter.

Q2: The items have the alterations that you've made. What do you mean?

The docs do mention certain items that probably ought to remain the same — if you change a Healing Potion into a Giant Dragonslaying Doomsword + 10, then doing the alchemy to make a Healing Potion will instead make the Doomsword.

But other than the ones that the docs say to leave alone, you're pretty much safe here.

Q3: Go for it. It's entirely possible. Difficult, but possible with adequate experimentation.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Bunch of (mostly) pointless BoA editor questions... in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Friday, September 30 2005 06:42 Profile Homepage #4
Q1: Order matters. Imagine that all the instructions in corescendata get done in order first, and then all the instructions in your custom objects script get done in order next. Item 23 has already imported the older version of item 22 in corescendata, so whatever you do to item 22 in your custom objects script won't matter.

Q2: The items have the alterations that you've made. What do you mean?

The docs do mention certain items that probably ought to remain the same — if you change a Healing Potion into a Giant Dragonslaying Doomsword + 10, then doing the alchemy to make a Healing Potion will instead make the Doomsword.

But other than the ones that the docs say to leave alone, you're pretty much safe here.

Q3: Go for it. It's entirely possible. Difficult, but possible with adequate experimentation.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 20:37 Profile Homepage #33
One should DEFINITELY not make a playable duplicate of A2 in BoA. It would probably violate some copyright laws, serve no purpose (if you want to play A2, play A2, not BoA), and take too much work to justify such a useless end.

However, this project (re-making the areas from A2) is different and potentially very useful to designers.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 20:37 Profile Homepage #33
One should DEFINITELY not make a playable duplicate of A2 in BoA. It would probably violate some copyright laws, serve no purpose (if you want to play A2, play A2, not BoA), and take too much work to justify such a useless end.

However, this project (re-making the areas from A2) is different and potentially very useful to designers.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 19:45 Profile Homepage #30
For the record, it's in .zip format on my site. The link was bad, but it's fixed.

There is already a link from the front page to the host page.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 19:45 Profile Homepage #30
For the record, it's in .zip format on my site. The link was bad, but it's fixed.

There is already a link from the front page to the host page.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Next Scenario in Blades of Exile
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 18:45 Profile Homepage #2
Creator, actually.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 15:48 Profile Homepage #28
Well, it's hosted on this page. If you'd like me to change anything, I can.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 15:48 Profile Homepage #28
Well, it's hosted on this page. If you'd like me to change anything, I can.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 06:55 Profile Homepage #26
This looks pretty awesome. I can host it for you — what would you like the page to say?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
It's the A2Template! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Thursday, September 29 2005 06:55 Profile Homepage #26
This looks pretty awesome. I can host it for you — what would you like the page to say?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, September 28 2005 20:52 Profile Homepage #1
Most people like ASR a lot. I didn't, but eh. You could give Mad Ambition a shot, too, if you were in the mood for the indescribable experience of a TM scenario.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The Foolish Giant released! in Blades of Exile
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 20:36 Profile Homepage #4
The Archive happened on, er, June 17th of this year. It hasn't been very well publicized outside of the Lyceum forums, though. Maybe I should do more.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
What is the name of the Avernum world? in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 15:32 Profile Homepage #36
You might want to, you know, read the topic to figure that out.

EDIT: Hint: it has something to do with how quickly one can get across a continent in Avernum 3.

[ Tuesday, September 27, 2005 15:33: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
how to be an admin? in General
Kelandon
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Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 15:26 Profile Homepage #8
Also, since he says he's been playing Spiderweb games since '94, he has been playing them literally since prior to conception.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The Foolish Giant released! in Blades of Exile
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 15:23 Profile Homepage #1
I guess once it's up in one of those places, I'll put it in the Archive, too. Or you could just send it directly to me.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Orb of thralni in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 12:05 Profile Homepage #292
How odd. A quick search of the docs seems to suggest that there is no direct way to make an A1-style healer. I checked VoDT, which has a healer in Sweetgrove, and this is how Jeff does it (dialog removed to prevent stretching):

begintalknode 51;
state = 42;
personality = 24;
nextstate = -1;
condition = 1;
question = "I require the services of a healer. (Pay 150 Coins)";
text1 = "*no money*";
text3 = "*changed mind*";
text5 = "*heals*";
code =
clear_strings();
if (coins_amount() < 150)
add_string(1);
else if (run_select_a_pc(1) == 0)
add_string(3);
else {
play_sound(24);
add_string(5);
restore_pc(get_selected_pc());
change_coins(-150);
}
break;
It appears that anything more complicated than that must be scripted directly.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Orb of thralni in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Tuesday, September 27 2005 12:05 Profile Homepage #292
How odd. A quick search of the docs seems to suggest that there is no direct way to make an A1-style healer. I checked VoDT, which has a healer in Sweetgrove, and this is how Jeff does it (dialog removed to prevent stretching):

begintalknode 51;
state = 42;
personality = 24;
nextstate = -1;
condition = 1;
question = "I require the services of a healer. (Pay 150 Coins)";
text1 = "*no money*";
text3 = "*changed mind*";
text5 = "*heals*";
code =
clear_strings();
if (coins_amount() < 150)
add_string(1);
else if (run_select_a_pc(1) == 0)
add_string(3);
else {
play_sound(24);
add_string(5);
restore_pc(get_selected_pc());
change_coins(-150);
}
break;
It appears that anything more complicated than that must be scripted directly.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A. Micael : I must be stupid! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 26 2005 22:00 Profile Homepage #6
I'm assuming you're talking about the end-combat bug, which places parties across special rectangles and therefore doesn't call them. If so, the way to prevent this is to use the call change_blocked.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A. Micael : I must be stupid! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 26 2005 22:00 Profile Homepage #6
I'm assuming you're talking about the end-combat bug, which places parties across special rectangles and therefore doesn't call them. If so, the way to prevent this is to use the call change_blocked.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
A. Micael : I must be stupid! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Monday, September 26 2005 14:22 Profile Homepage #3
You can also just change the door script to make a lock of 200 genuinely impenetrable. It's not too hard to make it just not run either the pick lock or the bash door if a memory cell is set to 200.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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