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Title	Off With Their Heads
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editor problem. in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 17:53 Profile Homepage #2 The .exe file in question is the one that you actually double-click on to open the editor. When you open the editor, the .exe file is the thing you're clicking on. Move that .exe into the Data folder (not the Data file, which doesn't exist, but the Data folder). Alternatively, just use the 3D Editor and avoid all this mess. [ Thursday, January 26, 2006 17:54: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
E1: Waterfall Maze in The Exile Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 17:04 Profile Homepage #1 Start at Fort Dranlon. Get on a boat and head west. More details available upon request. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
move_to_new_town problems in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 15:19 Profile Homepage #3 I've never seen move_to_new_town by itself cause a crash that kills BoA. Normally when one uses it improperly, it functions like an "end": it stops running script. This lends support to wz. arsenic's point. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
move_to_new_town problems in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 15:19 Profile Homepage #3 I've never seen move_to_new_town by itself cause a crash that kills BoA. Normally when one uses it improperly, it functions like an "end": it stops running script. This lends support to wz. arsenic's point. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Romeo and Juliet. Thoughts? in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 15:16 Profile Homepage #24 Troilus and Cressida certainly is no worse for wear for being lifted directly out of The Iliad. I kind of liked Marlowe's Dido, Queen of Carthage, even though it was basically scene-for-scene stolen from The Aeneid. Measure For Measure was an old story that Shakespeare re-wrote, but his version is so much more compelling than the older versions that there's no comparison. There are many ways of being original, and having a new plot is only one of them. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 15:12 Profile Homepage #120 quote: Originally written by Thralni, Nephil translators & co.: quote: Likewise, seriously, before you go any farther, give the language a better name than "Nephilian." I'm certainly not going to call it "The nephil language/tongue", as it sounds rediculous. I'd rather refer to it as "ancient Nephil" instead. Call it "Flügenförgen" for all I care. I'm just saying that "Nephilian" sounds really bad. quote: But about the nominative, take it away? I thought Slartucker started complaining that I had to make the difference more clear? I said that you had to make the difference more clear, but the way that you can make the difference more clear is with examples and fully correct explanations, not bad analogies. (The whole point of an ergative case is that it's not like a nominative case.) quote: However, I do think that there should be an example for an intransitive verb in a sentence there. otherwise people will get confused Yes. Yes, there should be an example sentence for an intransitive verb. I'm NOT suggesting that you delete the sentence; I AM suggesting that you take out the bit about "with the dog". "I walk" is just as good an example of a sentence with an intransitive verb as "I walk with the dog" — better, because it doesn't throw in other confusing words. To summarize: the sentence should just say "I walk," not "I walk with the dog." quote: If humans spell the nehil names like Frrrrmrrrr, which is absolutely horrible, then I wouldn't be surprised if they can spell the plural of the words correctly and just invented something which would be similair. What do you think? Yes, as long as the plural of "nephil" in the nephil language is something that could be interpreted as sounding like "nephilim." That is, "nephilfarh" doesn't sound a heck of a lot like "nephilim," so it's hard to imagine how the two could be confused. However, you could say that in the later language (when the nephil race actually comes into contact with the human race) the F drops out, and the RH sounded enough like an M by that point that humans heard something more like "nephilam," which they (for ease of pronunciation) turned into "nephilim." This sort of stretches credibility, but meh. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Missed something really basic? in Avernum 4
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 07:50 Profile Homepage #4 If you're only at Formello, it wouldn't be too bad just to start over, though. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, January 26 2006 07:47 Profile Homepage #115 Thralni: I grow tired of explaining the same thing over and over again, especially since you consistently mis-read what I've said (I asked you the Dutch name of an English pronoun case, not the Dutch name of something in Dutch, etc.). I'll leave it at this: your cases (several of them) are named to suggest uses that are quite different from what your descriptions and examples suggest their uses are. Either your names are misleading, or your descriptions and examples are. I never answered your question because I started critiquing your website before you asked the question. (And the reason that I've been using italics is that you've been giving me the impression that you don't read what I write unless I highlight the important parts. :P ) Likewise, seriously, before you go any farther, give the language a better name than "Nephilian." The name is improper for many reasons, not the least of which is that it sounds terrible and suggests that they're from Nephilia. To answer your question: I think you'd be much better off leaving out the "two-participant" description entirely. Leave it out of the summary and description of the ergative. Also, I'd take out the reference to the nominative, because it doesn't really help either (the whole point is that it's not like a nom-acc language). In your second example sentence for the absolutive, why is "with the dog" even there? Leave it out. It needlessly looks like an object. Give an example sentence under the ergative. It could be the same as before, "The man picks the fruit," but just highlight the subject instead of the object. There are also a number of typos and grammatical errors, but I'm not even going to go there until the rest of it makes sense. But I had a thought: if the nephil word for "nephil" is "nephil," that would almost certainly mean that the nephil plural has to be "nephilim." No English-speaker would invent that plural; it must be borrowed from something. In your version of this history, where does that plural come from? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
AIM Blades Chats in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 21:23 Profile Homepage #17 And the chat appears to be going now. Feel free to join, anyone. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Romeo and Juliet. Thoughts? in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 21:13 Profile Homepage #17 Personally, I like Troilus and Cressida. It's a shame that no one ever reads it anymore. Much Ado About Nothing is also uproariously funny, and The Tempest is just awesome. The Winter's Tale is also pretty spectacular, especially the ending. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Romeo and Juliet. Thoughts? in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 14:53 Profile Homepage #2 I'm a big Shakespeare fanboy, so take this post as you will. I like Romeo and Juliet, but Antony and Cleopatra is probably better. Romeo and Juliet suffers from the fact that every single part of it has become so cliche that it is hard to judge it on its own merits. The language of the play is very pretty, though, even if the poetry does not resound the way that some of his later plays do. I'm not sure that anybody but Marlowe had done as well on the Elizabethan stage before Romeo and Juliet, though, and the only play of Marlowe's that compares in my mind is Dido, Queen of Carthage. I'm not too familiar with Kyd, but I seriously doubt he had pulled off anything so skillful, and I doubt anybody else had, either. EDIT: By the way, it is a common misconception that Romeo and Juliet is considered one of Shakespeare's better plays. It may be his most famous, but it is certainly not his most critically well-received. That honor goes to the Great Tragedies, Hamlet, Othello, King Lear, and Macbeth. Oh yeah, and one more thing: my favorite character in the play is Mercutio. [ Wednesday, January 25, 2006 14:57: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Terrain script calls in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 14:25 Profile Homepage #11 The best way to know is to try. This is probably the first law of Avernumscript programming. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Terrain script calls in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 14:25 Profile Homepage #11 The best way to know is to try. This is probably the first law of Avernumscript programming. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 13:40 Profile Homepage #110 quote: Originally written by Thralni, Nephil translators & co.: I know that, but the plural of nephil is "Nephilim." that's just how it is. Emphatically, no. Foreign words must be italicized in English. Foreign words always take foreign plurals. Fully assimilated borrowed words — words that were previously foreign but are now considered part of the English language — are not italicized. They may take either their original foreign plural ("nephilim") or the standard English plural ("nephils"). Thus, the plural of "stadium" (a Latin word, borrowed from Greek) is either "stadia" or "stadiums," for example. We know that "nephil" is a borrowed word because it is not italicized. We therefore know that both "nephilim" and "nephils" are correct plurals. Thralni, will you do something for me? Find a book on English grammar written in Dutch. Find the part on pronoun case (the bit that talks about the difference between "I" and "me"). Tell me what the Dutch name of the case of the word "my" is. Also, for the record, I've never been responding to your question about what we think of the description of the absolutive case. I've been responding to the errors on your site. [ Wednesday, January 25, 2006 13:42: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 08:52 Profile Homepage #107 Thralni: I've been saying the same thing since my first post on the subject: either your genitive includes a partitive genitive, or the your genitive is actually a possessive. Please read more carefully. "Nephils" is correct because the standard English plural (adding -s) is always correct, even if another form is also correct. (See "octopus," "octopuses," "octopodes.") Your website says that the "instrumentative" is not used for a partitive genitive. I'm just saying that you should take that line out, because it isn't necessary: an instrumental is never used for a partitive genitive. The sentence is redundant, not incorrect. [ Wednesday, January 25, 2006 08:53: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Graphic problems? in Geneforge Series
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 08:02 Profile Homepage #3 Please direct discussion of this topic to this thread. Cross-posting is not encouraged. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The nephilim language in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 08:00 Profile Homepage #104 I understand that the verb stuff is an introduction, but I don't understand what the point of any of it is. Maybe it will become more clear when you write the rest of it. quote: And please, don't stay with Latin and/or Greek and languages based on them all the time! Latin and Greek have nothing to do with it. If your language has a proper genitive, it will express the "of milk" with the genitive. If it doesn't, then your so-called "genitive" is a possessive case. These words mean something independent of the languages in which they are used. Look, if you say that your nephils have males and females, but the males are the ones who get pregnant, bear children, etc., then the very first thing that people are going to say is that you've named the genders incorrectly. In any species, the female is defined as the one that undergoes pregnancy (with one or two really unusual exceptions). This isn't specific to mammals or reptiles or whatever: it's a general biological definition. Likewise, a genitive case must be used at least for the possessive genitive and the partitive genitive to be a real genitive case. It's a linguistic definition that spans all languages. There are languages that don't have real genitive cases; these languages have possessive cases. English is one of them (for pronouns). But my point was that you say under the "instrumentative" case (which isn't a word in English, which is how I know that it has to be an instrumental) that the "instrumentative" isn't used to express "of" things. This is needless and confusing. In no language that I've ever heard of would one use the instrumental to express the partitive genitive. My knowledge of general linguistics is not limited to Latin and Greek, so please disabuse yourself of that notion. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BUGS! in Blades of Avernum Editor
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 07:38 Profile Homepage #16 Evidently (judging by this thread), there is something wrong with the clear_town call, although I haven't figured out what yet. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BUGS! in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, January 25 2006 07:38 Profile Homepage #16 Evidently (judging by this thread), there is something wrong with the clear_town call, although I haven't figured out what yet. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
What will come after Avernum4 for Windows? in General
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 17:59 Profile Homepage #19 omg wtf -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BoA Crashes: Magus of Cattalon in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 17:38 Profile Homepage #22 It was in a town script in state 15 when it killed MoC. It was in a town script in state 10 when it didn't kill my test scenario. It seems unlikely that the state matters (although it was a good guess). -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
BoA Crashes: Magus of Cattalon in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 16:28 Profile Homepage #20 Okay, I've finally reproduced the bug and found the problem line of code. Here's the thing: I have no idea why this line is a problem. In t5Fahrango.txt, line 233 is the problem. It is the one in the middle. If you remove the clear_town, the Unhandled Exception does not come up, and the rest of the state runs smoothly. If you delete everything else but the clear_town, the Unhandled Exception will always show up. This led me to wonder if there's a problem with the clear_town call. I guessed that perhaps it might need some sort of arguments in the parentheses, despite the indication in the docs to the contrary. I tried -1, 0, and current_town, and all of them gave me the error that there were too many arguments passed to the call. No luck here. My next guess was that the entire call is just fubar and crashes all the time. I made a clean scenario with nothing in it but a clear_town call. The new, empty scenario did not produce an Unhandled Exception when running clear_town, but it did slow down considerably and give the party a couple of levels (even though there was nothing in the town). No luck here, either. I have absolutely no idea what this means, but I think there's something wrong (or at the very least undocumented) with the clear_town call, and I know that it is the source of these problems in MoC. [ Tuesday, January 24, 2006 16:32: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
xian stuff in The Avernum Trilogy
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 15:24 Profile Homepage #3 I believe that Anaximander mentions at the very beginning that the party that was sent up before you was outfitted (by X) with a variety of magical items. These items (being made by X) were called the Xian Items. Now, since they don't all quite work as they should, the party has met an untimely end and the items are scattered everywhere. They're just for fun, though, not a quest. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Did I miss the first trial? in Avernum 4
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 15:21 Profile Homepage #11 quote: Originally written by Localized Unreality Distortion: —Alorael, who prefers to think of bakedness on a reversed scale from 1 to 0. Half-baked is 0.5, so somewhat half-baked is less than half-baked is >0.5. So when one is judging the extent to which something is baked, one is actually judging the extent to which it is not baked? :P -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
best scenario to start with in Blades of Avernum
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Tuesday, January 24 2006 15:19 Profile Homepage #2 There is a fair variety of scenarios for low levels (Roses of Reckoning, Babysitting, The Cave of No Return, Death at Chapman's, A Perfect Forest, Lord Putidus, Nine Variations on Point B), but probably the best to start with is The Valley of the Dying Things. Bear in mind that there are many different kinds of scenarios, so regardless of what you think of VoDT, there are plenty of other scenarios that you can play that are nothing like that. Check out CSR for a list with reviews that may be more helpful than Spiderweb's reviews. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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