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Avernum V in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #305
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

quote:
Originally written by Marcelo:

Also, now that so many things are common between Geneforge and Avernum, how about this: the Shapers need a safe place to carry out their crazy experiments, they find the perfect one: the caves known as Avernum, but there is just one little problem: there's people living there. The leaders decide to just "erase" the avernites.
Here's an even better idea: how about you never make any suggestions for the future plot direction of the Avernum series ever again?

I'm not sure if I really got "the humour" in your message... Are you really talking to ME, or in general. I don't see why we should not make suggestions. If you didn't like my idea it's ok. Actually I'd prefer Jeff's opinion. Anyway...

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Avernum V in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #301
I really love playing in the middle of a big war and having to pick a side.

Also, now that so many things are common between Geneforge and Avernum, how about this: the Shapers need a safe place to carry out their crazy experiments, they find the perfect one: the caves known as Avernum, but there is just one little problem: there's people living there. The leaders decide to just "erase" the avernites.

Invasion and... war!!

Will the Empire (or the Vanhatai care about helping the Avernites?

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
The Best Weapons in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #23
Speaking of weapons, have a look at this:

1) Quicksilver Bulwark
(Protection 12% Value: 5,000 )
Armor: +12%
+1 to Action points
+1 to anatomy
+2 to Lethal blow

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2) Assasin's Shield
(Protection 12% Value: 1,000 )
Armor 12%
+2 to Quick Action
+1 to Anatomy
+2 to Lethal blow

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Is The first one really *that* better? (in terms of value of course)..
I was just wondering..

[ Monday, May 08, 2006 16:21: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Helping Gnass... but how? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #2
As I am about to storm Erika's tower, reloading it's definitely not a possibility ;) but thanks for the information. I should have waited for the shade to move :(

I wonder what made Oliver attack his best customer in Avernum... :P

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Helping Gnass... but how? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #0
Hi, so I went to the town the slith leader asked me to go and ask help (to stop the attacks on them and the vigilantes) and the mayor did not help. I went back to the leader and he said something like "it's sad, but you should keep on trying, maybe we can still convince her". Well, after I killed the shade in that town (the one south of Blosk) everyone started attaking me and I had to kill everyone, even Oliver. Now, there is no mayor to talk to and the poor guy in Gnass still wants help, so???

[ Sunday, May 07, 2006 19:11: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Darkside Loyalists in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #12
Thank you! now I'll resume my playing ;)

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Darkside Loyalists in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #10
I don't know whether to go West (Erika's ruins) or East (Giant lands) first? I've already killed a bunch of brigands who wanted money at the entrance of what seems the route to Erika's. I also killed Annatolia and checked the secret passage north of Bharga, what to do now?

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Ghall-Ihrno's comfort [SPOILERS] in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #8
He is in foreing lands. Most of the hosts are friendly, but not all of them. And also his own mad comrades are lurking somewhere, so he better takes precautions, especially travelling alone.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Dowdy's Stupid Iron in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #3
After you have *crossed* Fort Remote and Fort Spire it is not worth the $25 nor the weight or the trip, I think.

[ Saturday, May 06, 2006 10:00: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Coin Cap at 30k? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #14
Visa sounds great, and an International Roaming visa even better, just in case you find youself in Vanhatai lands.

Many townfolks mention "turists" from the surface, don't they bring traveler's cheques?

Also I guess you could have some kind of unemployment fund or insurance. (Just in case the job boards run out of petitions).

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Coin Cap at 30k? in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #11
There should be banks in Avernum, the poor citizens have to be always trusting their chests and boxes, which are so appealing to certain adventurers... no fair, besides they don't give any interest.

It would be nice to have a bank. Even ATMs would be ok.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Hermes in Saffron, good or bad? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #2
Thanks Randomizer, I'll check that. After the vanhatai prisoner unleashed the beasts I killed them as best as I could and fled the place, didn't look for any secret passage :P I thought it refered to the one outside the fort.
Thanks again.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Fighting Rentar in BF - quick question in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #2
I had the same question, sometimes the walkthrough is not *that especific*.
I saved before talking to Rentar and tried what I though was the diplomatic way...

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And it was something like "can't we find a solution for this without fighting?" and although Rentar "is silent for a moment" she goes on saying I must be destroyed, then I reloaded and tried the "aggressive" option and we fought anyway. I haven't finished the game yet so I bet I'll see the consequences of my aggressive attitude ;-)

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Job board quest. in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #1
I think I was there 2 days ago, but I don't remember the "free" the drake part. I also killed it, actually she was hostile.

In the words of Katsumoto in The Last Samurai: "It was a good death."

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Hermes in Saffron, good or bad? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #0
Hi, so I fought my *first* round against Rentar and killed the shades. I've also cleared the Spire Fort and I read in the FAQ that after searching the "secret bandit passage" I should confront Hermes and, fight him? I already found that passage (it was empty) and Hermes is as polite as usual. Did I miss anything in my visit to the cave? or I need to go further north to find the answers... (let's say visit the 2 Abyss cities, which I still haven't visited).
Thanks.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Fort Remote in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #7
Thank you!

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Fort Remote in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #5
I am almost done with the Great cave quests. I have explored up to Saffron and Fort Remote, now my question is should start in Spire and the towns in the Abyss?? or am I supposed to leave that for the end and head for Rhentar fortress first???

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Languages in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #63
quote:
Originally written by I Would Have Been Your Daddy:

I didn't put English on because of the fact that everyone on these boards speaks english, so it would be rather pointless.
Then the questions should not be how many languages do you speak, but "how many languages do you speak besides English?" and the second one should be "What other languages do you speak besides English?".
87% (40 votes) have chosen "other", my guess is that they meant "English".
Greetings.

[ Monday, May 01, 2006 11:00: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Languages in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #61
English should be on the list, I speak English and Spanish, though Spanish is my mother tongue.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Demonslayer and Sentinels in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #13
Thank you! I noticed I was doing things I was *not supposed* because when I touched the pylon in Patrick's There are still like 3 destination slots above it. Actually, I did the castle, the cemetery quest and fort emeral but haven't visited the towns NW (Blosk and the other one). I got the demonslayer but got rather disappointed for the little damage it inflicts, I will have to try it against a demon though ;-)
I killed the shambler (?) surrounded by 4 pylons -It was tough- and saved one of the demons with 1 pylon I think just to test my new toy.

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
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Demonslayer and Sentinels in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #9
Thanks, I read the FAQ and found I had to kill the allies first and then the demon was not really difficult. I found 2 more though, one that changes and another blue one in the east which I decided to kill later, is that blue one tough?

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Demonslayer and Sentinels in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #7
I just visited Patrick's tower and they sent me down the tunnels to kill the tall Lord demon. My question is, should I wait to have the demonslayer blade or kill him now? I tried melee attacks and they barely did more than 10 hp :(

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
Are Geneforge and Avernum related? in Avernum 4
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Member # 3716
Profile #15
What I can say is that I love this engine. Playing Exile 1 for example was very difficult for a speaker of English as a second language; it took time to *come up* with the right words :( Here is easier because the possible questions and phrases are suggested, so thank you Jeff for this engine :D

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
US Conflict Avatars in General
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Member # 3716
Profile #108
I agree, although there was no invasion in Chile. The Chilean military wanted to overthrow Allende and had been planning a coup for a year. Pinochet was not the *masterbrain* because when he assumed as a commander in chief in 1973 the plans were already desinged and the other generals asked his opinions. When they saw that he was against communism as well (let's not forget the cold war context...) they willingly accepted some American $$$upport (I am not sure exactly how that money was really used, but I've heard it was invested in propaganda afterwards) and did it.
Anyway I would say Americans were only 5% responsible. Allende's withdrawal was something many, many Chileans were claiming. Even the women threw chicken feathers to the regiments to say "do something about this". For further info you can check the "cacerolazo protestas" and the "Tarjetas JAP" or "Desabastecimiento" in google ;)

I am sorry for this "off-topic".

:)

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00
US Conflict Avatars in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
Profile #105
quote:
Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

quote:
Originally written by Inthrall:

Why not? I'm in.
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Inthrall is Chile, land of Salvador Allende and Augusto Pinochet. It is in the latter we find our interest: this delightful free-marketeering tyrant was installed by forces armed and trained by the CIA for the explicit purpose of removing the elected Socialist president of Chile. What did Allende and thousands of victims of Pinochet die for? The nationalization of the American-run Chilean copper mines - a move so popular even Pinochet would not reverse it.

Er.. maybe not a lot to do with the concept of this thread but I just wanted to tell you I am from Chile -I live in Chile- and I don't agree with most of what you say. Even though it's true the US wanted Allende out of the way, there were strong reasons for many Chileans as well to see this señor far away. The country was a mess at that time, and things under his government were not funny at all. The US agents wanted Pinochet to call for democratic elections 2 or 4 years later, but he said no, thank you very much. And he remained in power for 16 years.
I hope my contribution helps ;)
Saludos! :)

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"Inspiration comes from hard work" -Charles Baudelaire.
Posts: 292 | Registered: Sunday, November 23 2003 08:00

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