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On the Road to Weapons of Mass Destruction in General
Darkdread
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 written Thursday, March 1 2007 18:09 Profile #35
And how about the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? who can prove He did not create us? that is what the Ph.D. who, following Intelligent design, ponders.
More info in their official website:

www.venganza.org

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 17:07 Profile #36
I think it's simple: coutries that cooperate with UN inspectors and are public about their arsenals or production of nuclear weapons should be allowed to keep them for the same reason the US needs them.
But countries that refuse to let inspectors check the facilities and threaten other countries should be restricted.

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 17:00 Profile #34
It's hard to predict how countries can be carried out in the heat of world wars. In the WWII Chile, and many other latinAmerican countries declared war on Japan, Germany and their allies. (Chile formally declared war on Japan in 1945 :D
Today, either we send troops or not, it would not be as catastrophic as the economical consequences that would be seen. Imagine the world share markets, stocks in the strongest countries and the chaos it would cause.. :eek:

I hope conflicts keep focused in strategic regions and do not spread.

[ Thursday, March 01, 2007 17:04: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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Darkdread
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 written Thursday, March 1 2007 16:41 Profile #31
Thank you! ;) I love History (not just Chilean one, World history too) and it's nice to find places to discuss it with nice people, like in here ;)

Also I don't want to give the impression that I am "anti-American" because I am not. Now if you ask me about Governments, my opinion might be different.

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Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 16:24 Profile #26
quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

quote:
Originally written by Excalibur:

Anyways, the U.S. is the only nation to have ever used weapons of mass destruction.
Not true. The U.S. is the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in a war. The phrase "weapons of mass destruction" usually includes biological and chemical weapons as well, and other countries have definitely used those (including, famously, Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War).
You are right, the WMD definitions includes all the others... but does not exclude a nuclear bomb, like the ones used in 1945.
Ergo, Excalibur is making a correct statement.

Euphemisms are nice and can help hide inconvenient things, but this is not the case ;)

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Darkdread
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 written Thursday, March 1 2007 16:17 Profile #24
quote:
Originally written by Protocols of the Elders of Zion:

quote:
Originally written by Kitana:

quote:
Originally written by Marcelo:

[QUOTE] No offense to Americans reading this, but here the US lost pretty much all the credibility after the "weapons of mass destruction" lie that justified the invasion of Irak.
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Really? Now? I would've thought it'd be sometime here, especially in the '73. Then again we lost ours in 1965. I just love how the US just keeps proving us right though.
Trujillo wasn't enough for you? :P
-Er.. and what was Trujillo's role here? It doesn't ring any bell for me.

quote:
Originally written by Protocols of the Elders of Zion:


POURED MONEY INTO CHILE LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS. Chile immediately became a good investment because its free market policies would produce growth, and then the investments produced growth, which proved the free market policies were good so they continued.
-Although it's true that economists got American assistance (which is not something "bad") and this group that studied with the "Chicago boys" made great contributions, the "honey moon" did not last long because the US started a public condemn of Pinochet's policy concerning Human Rights and imposed an embargo (Kennedy Amendment was the name I think). They refused, for exameple to sell us spares and parts of American F-5 Northrop fighters when we needed them most (they were purchased in the early 70's during Allende's government... :D ). During the late 70's we almost had a war with Argentina (see Beagle channel conflict 1978) and really hurt not to have had those spares, which we were able to get in the black market for very expensive prices. Israel did help us a lot too.
So I wouldn't credit the States' advisory group that much.

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To be fair, that rigging worked OK for the people of Chile - the ones who lived through Pinochet's bloody rule, anyhow.
I can't help but agree, worked more than OK. "Bloody"? that can be discussed (we don't understand why the world is able to recall Pinochet so easily but they can not name any Argentine dictator -- considering there were far larger numbers of disappeared in Argentina than in Chile. Almost every country in south America had a military "junta" in the 70's-80's, that was a part of the big-Bully-in-the-neighbourhood's policy of "you are with us or against us" --the cold war.
We always knew that the CIA had been involved in 1973 and the American people only learned that after some files were declassified :rolleyes: so it was no big surprise to hear about this in the 90's, and that brings back what I said before about the filters in American media.
Too much off-topic for now :P
Greetings.

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Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 14:19 Profile #21
[ Thursday, March 01, 2007 14:29: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 14:15 Profile #20
quote:
See, this is why you don't mess with the democratic process. If you do it once to kick out a leader who's lost public favour, you might find another, worse leader doing it later to stay in power.[/QB]
You don't seem to know a lot about Chile-US history during the 60's and 70's.
Allende was not "kicked out" because he "lost public favour" (which he never really had, considering he won the elections in 1970 with only 36%). Allende was overthrown because the situation in the country was getting too chaotic, we didn't want to become a new Cuba and Allende was openly Marxist.

Also, FYI, a lot of Chileans do not think Pinochet was a "worse" leader, quite the opposite. The country saw a great economic development during the 80's and when he felt the country had recovered from all the damage Allende had caused, he called for elections where he lost to Patricio Alwyn in 1989.
However, there were vilations to the Human rights during his government too, but I think that's not what this thread is about though... :rolleyes:

If you're interested in this topic, read about Henry Alfred Kissinger doctrines and policies towards, particularly, Chili ;)
Greetings.

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 09:31 Profile #10
quote:
Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

Hmm, I wonder how much oil Chile has...
Oh :D not a lot, we as a matter of fact have to import it :rolleyes:
We do produce good wine though, so if you're looking for that, you know where to go ;)

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 09:27 Profile #9
There are no WMD in Latin America so I don't get why you mentioned that, but if you want to discuss it: the alleged support of CIA to the Chileans who planned the coup d'etat was not crucial. They, in fact, sent money that was used for propaganda anti-Allende, but the country was looking to remove Allende with or without US help. Women on the streets threw feathers to the regiments... they wanted the military to act. You could amuse yourself reading why Allende was overthrown (not just ideological reasons...)
However, after the coup d etat, Pinochet remained in office for 16 years, completely ignoring the American proposal of only 2 years ;) fortunately we were not invaded and our oil is still ours.
greetings.

PS: There's more than just Amercan history websites ;) it is well known that information to the American audience is usually filtered. The media does not show everything to the people because it could be too shocking, fortunately in other parts of the world is not necessarily the same. Btw, The list in the website you cited it's incomplete, they forgot Argentina in April 1982 ;)

[ Thursday, March 01, 2007 09:34: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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Hypothetical Greek Weapons of Mass Destruction Suck in General
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 08:40 Profile #6
quote:
Three smaller countries are known to have had nuclear weapons by the end of the Cold War: Israel, India, and South Africa. (South Africa no longer does.) Since the Cold War, two countries have developed nuclear weapons: North Korea and Pakistan.
Israel has never openly admitted they have nueclear weapons. Yes, most of us believe they have them, but they don't admit it.

No offense to Americans reading this, but here the US lost pretty much all the credibility after the "weapons of mass destruction" lie that justified the invasion of Irak. So, if the US government now said that they must invade Iran because of the same reason... I'd join the protests that claim the States to have become an Empire trying to steal oil off the world.

It is now not as easy to believe the US government are the "good boys" and Arab countries are the "bad boys" as it was in 2001.
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Your creations. in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 08:16 Profile #14
psychoanalysis. I prefer playing geneforge, then sleep, eat and have a beer now and then.

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Shaper Shaftoe in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Thursday, March 1 2007 08:10 Profile #2
This has been discussed before, click on the "search" button, type shaftoe and you'll get all the posts and threads about it.

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INCREDIBLE DISCOVERY!!! in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Wednesday, February 28 2007 18:51 Profile #12
quote:
Originally written by Enraged Slith:

What do you mean? That's his happy face...
If this is not a sarcasm, I don't see how the happiness is portrayed there: the frown and the absence of a smile give me the reason.
I insist, that servile looks like a very angry warrior, piss*d and ready to attack. Whereas, I tend to imagine them either: afraid, humble, shy and never too direct when staring (they are normally described as being looking at the ground) or,
quiet, wise and under control (like the leaders of the rebellion who have not been under Shaper control).
Greetings!
I want that Paintbrush version!! mine (version 5.1) cannot do that kind of drawings :( :(

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INCREDIBLE DISCOVERY!!! in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Wednesday, February 28 2007 17:53 Profile #10
It's artistically interesting, but not too realistic: in the geneforge series they are not necessarily described as the raged/mad/angry creature you portrayed. I recall they are most of the times described as being afraid so I can't imagine the eyebrows showing fear with that expression the author drew here.

Even the freeborn serviles do not need to look always so angry...
:)

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The best creations? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Wednesday, February 28 2007 17:41 Profile #23
quote:
Uhhh vivi bien a la conchesumadre!! :D

Yo soy de talca, = bkn punta arenas me gustaria ir algun dia :)

Estabai en el foro desde el 2003 y nunca posteabai? es que abia otro tb de chile que tb era mas antiguo q yo, pero no lo veo ace tempo...[/QB]
Jeje yes, me cambio al ingles pa que no piensen que los estamos pelando jeje ;-) I sometimes posted in the avernum forums I didn't know there was someone else from Chili here, that's cool. Debes tener un muy buen ingles porque estos juegos se basan en la comprension jeje, no creo que seamos muchos los de chile jeje saludos!

greetings!

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Serviles in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Tuesday, February 27 2007 18:06 Profile #9
Yeah, G2 was a good 'ol game. Now, this is the topic for G4, so please, do play G4, meet free born serviles.
If you are a rebel like me, you will find their brightness. If you are a... sHaPeR, then they'll probably attack you, who wouldn't though, Shapers have been the cruelEST especies on earth, but that's topic for another thread.

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The best creations? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Tuesday, February 27 2007 17:49 Profile #15
quote:
Originally written by Dark Mage:

I think that shaping ur-drakons is irrational, because there is no such creatures mentioned in the game.

Marcelo aren't you Nazgul?(I think that was your old name...)y d q parte eres?
No Amigo, I have never been Nazgul, y soy de Punta Arenas!!!!!!!! al suuuuur y tú compatriota??

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Serviles in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Tuesday, February 27 2007 17:46 Profile #6
[QUOTE]Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:
[QB] This shows that their mind is extremely unstable, and they are better of under the care of a superior being. Serviles can only learn magic by going insane, and can't learn shaping at all, unless of course they are shaped to be able to do these things by a superior being first.

-I don't agree with this. It sounds too influenced by Shaper obscure propaganda: Remember in G4 there's som serviles who say they were "born free", never under "command of superior beings whatsoever". That's the problem with the Shapers, they underestimated Serviles...

Don't make the same mistake.

-Lifecrafter Marcelo.

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Monarch in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Monday, February 26 2007 19:01 Profile #11
I just killed him. He escaped during the fight, although he got cornered. I mostly attacked from distance with batons. His creations couldn't do a lot, and still I ignored them because as he dies, the creations disappear.
I didn't use any kind of mental magic.
My drayk did a lot of damage.
From the rebel camp I only got 1 technician for this fight and then a baton-carrier + soldier combo (mere cannon fodder).

I still think that Shaftoe was way tougher than Eliza and Monarch :(

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The best creations? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Monday, February 26 2007 18:15 Profile #4
What is the Wingbolts' class? fire? magic?

Dark Mage: another fellow from Chile?? greetings :cool:

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Rotghroth in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Monday, February 26 2007 16:54 Profile #63
quote:
Originally written by BLACK HAZE:

Okay,so is G4 worth buying? If so i'mma buy it tonight,but if its boring and easy i don't want anything to do with it.
Make your own decision man! :) no one should tell you what to buy or not to buy. In another thread you ask about the best creations, just go your way, pick your favorite ones and explore, take sides and kill some nasty monsters! that's the way to go ;) Every one will have a different reason to pick one of another creation, pick yours!
greetings :D

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The Insidious Infiltrator in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Sunday, February 25 2007 22:18 Profile #64
Just out of curiosity I started reading this thread. It's really interesting and amusing, I must say, but I found more and more Spoilers considering I am still in chapter 2, so a *Spoiler alert* would have been appreciated.
I just stopped reading though :D

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The Fens in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
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Member # 3716
 written Sunday, February 25 2007 22:13 Profile #13
Wow, that sounds scary, but thank you!!!

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The Fens in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Darkdread
Shock Trooper
Member # 3716
 written Sunday, February 25 2007 21:41 Profile #11
I've just hit this area. I am a lifecrafter with 2 creations (Glhaky and Draky) and an assorted bunch of volunteers from the Rebel camp. It turns out that I ended up having 13 mechanics and to operate one of the control panes in one of the fens I required 20...

My question is: how much mechanics does a technician give? so I will probably dismiss one or 2 soldiers to bring more technicians :D

Thanks!

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