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Drug Debate Thread for the Rest of Us in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #21
Oh, I agree that making things better would make them better -- that far, yes, the form of the argument is valid. But the argument as used assumes that some net pragmatic benefit would be sufficient grounds for legalizing something. I used to love this argument myself (and I'd still be happy if anyone rebuts my criticism and revives it). Now it seems to me that this ain't necessarily so -- you've first got to establish that a pragmatic calculus is the only relevant issue. And if you do manage to do this, you've essentially won the whole argument already then, anyway, inasmuch as you've shifted the discussion from crime (like murder) to control (like tobacco and alcohol).

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Drug Debate Thread for the Rest of Us in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #16
I don't see that it is a false analogy: the principle seems exactly the same.

If you don't want a great flood of legalized hits, just set the price high. Let the price slide with income level of buyers, if that makes a difference. In principle there will probably be a pricing scheme for which the total number of murders would be less than it currently is. It still just couldn't be right that anyone, however rarely, could buy the legal right to commit murder with the blessing of the state.

If the analogue of that last sentence does not hold for drugs, then that is the key point, and the putative pragmatic benefits of legalizing drugs are moot in comparison.

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Drug Debate Thread for the Rest of Us in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #13
Originally written by CSTR.:
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Originally written by Student of Trinity:
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At first I like the sound of the argument that people are going to buy drugs anyway, so we should recognize the fact, and let the government exert some control over the process to minimize bad side effects, and extract some tax money from it as well, instead of letting criminals get all the profit. Sounds persuasive.

But we could make an exactly analogous proposal about contract killings:

People are going to pay hit men to rub out their enemies, and all the money will go to organized crime, and there are risks to innocent bystanders. So instead, we should legalize murder for hire. If you really want someone dead, you should be able to hire the Marines to send in a trained sniper team. Yada yada yada -- pretty much all the good things you could say about legalizing drugs seem to me to have analogues in this proposal.

Now it sounds to me as though there must be a problem with this form of argument.
Interesting point. But drug use is inherently self-destructive; hiring a hitman is obviously intended first and foremost to destroy someone else.

And as for using the drugs to intentionally harm innocents, the same can be done with a tack hammer, and God knows we haven't done anything about that. In the case of unintentional harms, I'd be for the same kind of regulations against public use we have against, say, cigarettes, where they are applicable.

My point wasn't that buying drugs is like murder, except in being currently illegal but probably always inevitable. I was just criticizing one particular argument, namely the pragmatic appeal to bring something inevitable under control at the apparently small price of legally accepting its inevitability. Essentially my point was that this particular argument is moot: the merits of the legalization need to be established on other grounds.

(My 'yada yada ... all the good things have analogues' remark was supposed to mean 'all pragmatic benefits like raising tax revenue and protecting bystanders', not 'all arguments in favor of legalizing drugs'.)

The grounds you cite, that drug abuse is a crime whose only victim is the perpetrator, might perhaps be sufficient. But this is a different argument from the pragmatic appeal I was criticizing. I just want to disentangle that one particular argument from the others, and take it off the table (unless someone can rebut my critique). I do not at all imagine that this ends the whole discussion.

[ Friday, June 17, 2005 18:40: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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THE GREAT DEBATE, PART III in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #49
Moved. Sorry.

[ Friday, June 17, 2005 18:16: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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ROLL CALL in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #64
But the actual little rolling ball things from inside the old friction mice? They're great. Rubberized ball bearings, or something. They're heavy, and roll very well, and would surely choke you to death if you ate one, because a Heimlich manoeuvre vigorous enough to dislodge that much mass would kill you by blunt force trauma. I wish I had had them when I was a kid.

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I don't normally pass these on but this is important... in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #30
Well spotted! I believe the lower right one in the display case is a Garand. I'm assuming you don't mean the tiny plastic ones in the following picture ...

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THE GREAT DEBATE, PART III in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #38
At first I like the sound of the argument that people are going to buy drugs anyway, so we should recognize the fact, and let the government exert some control over the process to minimize bad side effects, and extract some tax money from it as well, instead of letting criminals get all the profit. Sounds persuasive.

But we could make an exactly analogous proposal about contract killings:

People are going to pay hit men to rub out their enemies, and all the money will go to organized crime, and there are risks to innocent bystanders. So instead, we should legalize murder for hire. If you really want someone dead, you should be able to hire the Marines to send in a trained sniper team. Yada yada yada -- pretty much all the good things you could say about legalizing drugs seem to me to have analogues in this proposal.

Now it sounds to me as though there must be a problem with this form of argument.

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I don't normally pass these on but this is important... in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #28
The Photoshop 7.0.1 release didn't actually have any bug fixes or anything. They just put out a fresh copy of the same code so that the electrons could feel clean again.

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Misshaped golem in benarii-eo labs in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
Yeah, I don't see the problem. He's tough, but perfectly doable, whatever your class or difficulty level. I've never bothered fussing with the crystal; just walk up and start whacking. Having a lot of AP helps, and quaffing the odd healing pod when he hits, but otherwise just keep a-chopping, and he'll crumble eventually.

Perhaps you are trying to do this at too low an experience level?

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Protection vs. shielding in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
The in-game instructions say that it blesses, speeds, and shields. Do you find otherwise in practice? It has been too long since I played a Shaper for me to remember.

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Just because :) in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #40
quote:
Originally written by JadeWolf:

I live in France, and lived in Ireland until 3 years ago in Ireland.
... which was five years ago in France, because of the shorter work week. :P

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Elections? in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #28
In the words of the greatest political general in the history of the United States, or perhaps any nation, William Tecumseh Sherman:

"If nominated I will not run; if elected I will not serve."

I don't consider myself a good candidate on any grounds anyway, but I've always wanted to quote that line, and this might be the best chance I'll ever get.

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I don't normally pass these on but this is important... in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #15
Often as I've felt like saying this about other topics here (and I'm sure the feeling is common), something has always held me back. But suddenly it's gone!

This is asinine.

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RWG in Richard White Games
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #118
I can try to be a good game designer. Would that be worth anything to you?

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What is yours favuorite in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #58
I believe I'll have another drink.

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Books Being Made Into Movies in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #44
Well, leaving out Grendel entirely would certainly lose you that vital 13-20 year-old male demographic:
Beowulf: Whassup?
Hrothgar: Nothin'.
*roll credits*

But a little Google tells me you must have meant Grendel by John Gardner, which retells Beowulf from the monster's perspective. Is it any good?

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Books Being Made Into Movies in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #42
Jane Fonda could play Grendel's mom.

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It is that time of the month again in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #19
One liners are good.

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ROLL CALL in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #46
I did clean my mouse, once I realized how bad it was, and it is much better now. The problematic computer is the one I have here at work -- to an adjunct lecturer they give only a horrible old computer. I am so used to optical mice from home and previous jobs that it took me a while to remember how to deal with roller balls.

I am unwilling to spring for a new optical mouse just to use with this heap of junk from the university. I am looking forward to setting up my own nice new Mac cluster in the fall.

And I'm still wondering about the manoc, too.

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Books Being Made Into Movies in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #29
Funny, I could argue either way about LOTR and its films. What I think I'd try to insist on was that the films were pretty darn good efforts at translating the story into a very different medium, one in which many of the strengths of the books couldn't possible appear, and in which many other strengths would have to be invented independently.

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Three questions, and some thoughts in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #1
Should include a spoiler warning in the subject.

Create Drayk is in the northern wing of Lord Rahul's private quarters.

Yes, you can train after canisters in G3, so you can forget about the tedious strategy from G2, of skipping all the canisters then going back for them after training.

I don't know about getting Create Fyora 4, but thanks for the word on Cryoas. I never got into them before. Vlish still worked fine for me in G3, as did Glaahks. A pair of Glaahks worked okay on Battle Alphas, and also served well enough as damage sponges that I started thinking of mine as two-legged tanks. The Rotghroths on Dhonal were a bit challenging, but doable, and then by the time I met the multiple Rotghroths of Spears, I had Gazers, so nothing mattered anymore.

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favorite character type? in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #12
quote:
Originally written by Hectonkhyres:

You say they suck ass? You are correct. That is the reason I like them.
Are the Windows graphics more elaborate than on the Mac, or is there more in the 1.0.3 patch than Jeff has let on?

[ Tuesday, June 14, 2005 18:00: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ]

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WATCH "NEW POTATOES", NOW! in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #2
I'm so glad I saw that.

As opposed to am seeing it.

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testing ground, version 2 in Geneforge Series
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #1
These golems are just extremely bad news. There are some tricks that might let you beat one or two of them, but the bracelet only gets really good when you can beat the final five, and those are brutal. So you basically have to come back a lot later.

If you do want to take down one of them, just to say you did, you might manage it with a lot of pre-buffing. Use the essence pool to put Augmentation and Essence Shield (and anything else you can) on everybody, use Mass Energize and Protection, and don't touch the rune until all your creations are in place to stab the golem the moment it appears.

Even dirtier tricks are to hit-and-run the golems down the corridor, going around corners a lot, etc. This is easier to do with an Agent, but you might manage something of it.

Worst of all is to lure the golem outside the complex, and then the Battle Beta will help you.

But even these tricks will only get you so far against the increasing numbers of golems in the later tests.

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Books Being Made Into Movies in General
Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
Profile #11
He's supposed to have been blind, anyway.

How do we know this, though?

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