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Originally written by crossmr:

um..get over it?

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Originally written by Coffee, Eggs, Hash Browns, & Toast:


Moral relativism leads to the idea of amorality being acceptable. Which in my opinion is dangerous. A kind of moral numbness.

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Originally written by Coffee, Eggs, Hash Browns, & Toast:

Prince Albert In A Can-- those examples are kind of strange-- for the most part you are talking about people who have chosen to marginalize themselves from society, or are marginalized because of their mental conditions. Thus they are actively trying to separate themselves from the majority of society's ethics. In general my point is focused on "society", not marginalized individuals.

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Originally written by Corrigere:

I am substantially disappointed with Morgan here.

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Originally written by quartex:

You're referring to the original Fallout?

What about when you get jumped by wandering monsters while travelling outdoors? But it is a good example of another game that tries to have non-violent solutions. RPGCodex compared the Geneforge series to Fallout in their review, I thought that was very interesting and high praise for Geneforge.

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Originally written by Andrew Miller:

I understand what you are implying - that the entire Jurassic Park story had been told.

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Originally written by Theodis:

No problem. As of yet I haven't made any commercial games since Nintendo owns all the rights to anything I make at Digipen :P . Anyway here's a link my last game project http://s92177798.onlinehome.us/thelema/ThelemaSetup.exe . There are also builds for Mac and Linux I could dig up if you want. Of course that $0 price tag might be a bit hefty for you if you can't handle the loss of $30 on a lousy game.
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It's easier to empathize when you have a better understanding of the development process.

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Originally written by Theodis:

Yep money is a powerful persuasive force. Though I'm quite sure a good majority of Jeffs buying customers aren't forum goers. I've been playing Exile games since back in '96 when I got the internet yet until recently I never even checked the forums. And if you don't like a companies policy on support you certainly shouldn't support them by buying their products.
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(to Stareye) See that's the thing. Even though the products aren't perfect and Jeff makes statements you find assinine you still think it's worth your money otherwise there would be no hesitation in just leaving. If you're still unsure just don't buy the product right away and see what people have to say. Games rarely get too much support after its initial release since it's generally not very profitable and even if a game isn't perfect if its fun people will continue to buy products from you. So if after a few months the game/editor still isn't at the state you want then don't buy it.

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Originally written by Fear Uncertainty and Custer:

Okay, problem: we already paid for a product he made promises about and failed to deliver on. That's called fraud.

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Ahh brings back memories of a thread on the Temple of Elemental Evil board where someone was making a big fuss about all the bugs and poor quality of its release. He made a big deal claiming he was going to take it to court. Guess what nothing happened. Look at the forums for just about any game and you'll find people whining that they were ripped off by the company since they didn't meet their initial expectations or certain things never got fixed. And despite people sue over the most trivial and ridiculus things I've never heard of a game company getting sued because of lack of support or meeting there expectations. Take this to a lawyer and I'm sure he'll laugh his rear off.

The bottom line is that Blades of Avernum was only $30. If it were some larger sum of money I could see it being worth fighting for it and not being a joke in court. I've spent more on commerical games only to have them run poorly or worse on a machine that met and exceeded the recommended specs. If you feel you've been ripped off then don't make the same mistake twice and find some other toolset to use that meets your budget and expectations. But whining about it on a forum and being disgruntled won't do much.

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Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

As a side note, I intend to create a couple different RPG engines (maybe other types too, like platformers) once I learn to program, that will come with extremely powerful, easy to use editors. If I release any more modules/scenarios after the initial one that comes with the program, I'll also try not to ignore the community's ideas. And I'll frequently upgrade and not be a jerk. Best of all, they may be free. But that last part is to be decided. Hopefully I'll get enough money to start a store/arcade that will support me financially. Of course, this is not going to happen for several years, so this is all useless info for now.

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