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You can drown plowing the fields or you can drown seeing the sights in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #13
I'd wouldn't be at all surprised if the number of dead reaches 200 000, from the various reports I've been listening to. Could reach far more than that if we counter in secondary effects, like disease.

Plus the areas involved are going to be engulfed in an even worse poverty then they are already in (I hear five million people are now living without the three basic essentials of life as a result of the tsunami).

It's going to get an awful lot worse before it gets any better.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
A Hypothetical in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #20
With the latter approach, are we talking about all driving offenders or just drink driving offenders? The idea of forcing somebody with a few parking tickets to pay as much out as somebody guilty of drink driving.

As for the initial premise, I'd like to agree with Djur, but I too sit uneasily with the idea that potential manslaughter is exactly the same crime as manslaughter.

If I see a five pound note blowing in the street and pick it up, is that the same crime as pinching a fiver from somebody's purse? The first is potential theft, the latter real theft, should they both be treated the same way?

When I think of it in a strictly logical way, I'd probably err on the side of treating them both the same way.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Happy Birth of Deus Invictus Mithras! in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #3
As long as nobody wishes me a 'Happy Solstice"...

Merry Christmas.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Sound the bells... in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #34
On the point of pride - I'm decidedly unproud of being straight, white and male. I fail to see the point in taking pride in things which I have no control over.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Exile tabletop RPG! in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #24
I notice that the link to the forum on the first link Alorael provided links to the now expired thekavern, Lady J's old page.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Personality Disorder Test, yes, again. in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #3
I fail to see how this test allows someone to be both moderaterely schizoid and highly histronic. Surely one excludes the other?

As for myself, I'm highly paranoid and highly narcissitic.

[ Monday, December 06, 2004 11:25: Message edited by: Morgan ]
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Wut do u luv most about Geneforge 2? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #8
This topic represents everything I despise about the world.

[ Sunday, December 05, 2004 08:51: Message edited by: Morgan ]
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Wut do u luv most about Geneforge 2? in Geneforge 2
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #8
This topic represents everything I despise about the world.

[ Sunday, December 05, 2004 08:51: Message edited by: Morgan ]
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
which is better? Geneforge 1 or Geneforge 2? in Geneforge Series
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #2
The plot wasn't so much infinitely worse in GF2 as it was exactly and completely the same. GF2 could have been a lot better than GF1, but ended up something I didn't think was possible - even worse.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
which is better? Geneforge 1 or Geneforge 2? in Geneforge
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #2
The plot wasn't so much infinitely worse in GF2 as it was exactly and completely the same. GF2 could have been a lot better than GF1, but ended up something I didn't think was possible - even worse.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Beta-Call for Canopy in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #82
I'll try and replace it with the original version and see if it's your fault or mine.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Beta-Call for Canopy in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #79
TM - whenever I load a party in the new version of Canopy, it crashes. Fix, please.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Avernum 4 in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #136
This thread has become inexcusably retarded.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
OK, folks, looks like I can port my tools to a Mac... in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #36
Most sensible thing you've said in quite some time.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
OK, folks, looks like I can port my tools to a Mac... in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #36
Most sensible thing you've said in quite some time.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #19
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Show me a well-written scenario in which the writer was not a capable programmer. I seriously doubt that you can, with perhaps one or two exceptions.

And of course, you missed my point entirely. I'm not saying that you can do without programming. But I think we should be aiming for allowing people who are good writers but not necessarily excellent programmers to create scenarios as well as those who do both.

quote:
Tell me--who's making the tools to make things easier for people? Seems like I'm the main one on the Windows side right now, and I'm working on going multiplatform.

What I am against are tools that abstract things to too great a degree. Dialogue editors are fine; my only problem with Kelandon's suggestion is one of programming complexity, not usefulness (well, that and my personal aesthetics, which don't involve that sort of thing).
The whole point of BoA full stop is to simplify programming for the less able. Are you actually suggesting that because BoA is simpler to use than say, C++, it has no right to exist? If we're using that logic, then we are already far, far down the supposed slippery slope.

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I played BoE a long time ago, and very nearly stopped playing shortly afterwards, primarily because of lousy scenarios.
What you are describing is exactly the same for every artistic medium you care to mention. But was the invention of the printing press a good or a bad thing for literature? Sure, you had a lot more crap seeping through, but you also had a lot more good.

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Editors to remove tedium? Sure. That's what AvDialogue2 is for. But editors that simply do things for a user who doesn't understand the principles behind them? No.
I don't even begin to understand the principles behind BoA, does that mean that I'm not qualified to make a scenario? Again with the elitism.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #19
quote:
Show me a well-written scenario in which the writer was not a capable programmer. I seriously doubt that you can, with perhaps one or two exceptions.

And of course, you missed my point entirely. I'm not saying that you can do without programming. But I think we should be aiming for allowing people who are good writers but not necessarily excellent programmers to create scenarios as well as those who do both.

quote:
Tell me--who's making the tools to make things easier for people? Seems like I'm the main one on the Windows side right now, and I'm working on going multiplatform.

What I am against are tools that abstract things to too great a degree. Dialogue editors are fine; my only problem with Kelandon's suggestion is one of programming complexity, not usefulness (well, that and my personal aesthetics, which don't involve that sort of thing).
The whole point of BoA full stop is to simplify programming for the less able. Are you actually suggesting that because BoA is simpler to use than say, C++, it has no right to exist? If we're using that logic, then we are already far, far down the supposed slippery slope.

quote:
I played BoE a long time ago, and very nearly stopped playing shortly afterwards, primarily because of lousy scenarios.
What you are describing is exactly the same for every artistic medium you care to mention. But was the invention of the printing press a good or a bad thing for literature? Sure, you had a lot more crap seeping through, but you also had a lot more good.

quote:
Editors to remove tedium? Sure. That's what AvDialogue2 is for. But editors that simply do things for a user who doesn't understand the principles behind them? No.
I don't even begin to understand the principles behind BoA, does that mean that I'm not qualified to make a scenario? Again with the elitism.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #17
Let me try and evaluate your position here, Arenax. You're being so unbelievably elitist that you can't even begin to comprehend that there are different disciplines involved in designing a scenario, of which the actual programming is probably the least important.

And yet you maintain such an enormous ego that obviously believes that if somebody wants something that makes their job a little easier it must therefore follow that they are guilty of "dumbing down".

Like Kelandon said, I fail to see the problem with newbies creating scenarios. The very notion that you woulod hold such an idea as being undesirably is indicative of your incomprehensible elitism.
Case in point - TM came to this community with Streila Spies, a pretty horrible scenario, yet his latest effort for BoE, NTH, is considered to be one of BoE's finest.

Ok, so for every person like TM you have a lost_king or Vince Fizz. But I'd rather make things easier for newbies in the hope of one shining designer to break the mould than shut the doors completely to new blood, leaving a community to completely stagnate.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #17
Let me try and evaluate your position here, Arenax. You're being so unbelievably elitist that you can't even begin to comprehend that there are different disciplines involved in designing a scenario, of which the actual programming is probably the least important.

And yet you maintain such an enormous ego that obviously believes that if somebody wants something that makes their job a little easier it must therefore follow that they are guilty of "dumbing down".

Like Kelandon said, I fail to see the problem with newbies creating scenarios. The very notion that you woulod hold such an idea as being undesirably is indicative of your incomprehensible elitism.
Case in point - TM came to this community with Streila Spies, a pretty horrible scenario, yet his latest effort for BoE, NTH, is considered to be one of BoE's finest.

Ok, so for every person like TM you have a lost_king or Vince Fizz. But I'd rather make things easier for newbies in the hope of one shining designer to break the mould than shut the doors completely to new blood, leaving a community to completely stagnate.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #6
That quote presumes you're working with a system that is of sufficient complexity that simplicity would limit its abilities.

The dialogue system for BoA is no such thing. It's like saying the invention of the typewriter limited the usefulness of words.

[ Saturday, November 20, 2004 09:59: Message edited by: Morgan ]
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Creating New Editors for BoA in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #6
That quote presumes you're working with a system that is of sufficient complexity that simplicity would limit its abilities.

The dialogue system for BoA is no such thing. It's like saying the invention of the typewriter limited the usefulness of words.

[ Saturday, November 20, 2004 09:59: Message edited by: Morgan ]
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
How do you perceive what you imagine? in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #19
I think and imagine overwhelmingly in words. There's the odd picture in there, but I find myself able to think much more clearly and much faster if I think in terms of language.

A good deal of my thoughts have neither language or pictures.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
Avernum 4 in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #70
quote:
I know this will be a blow to some of you, but just simply get a life and grow up!
Oh, the irony.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
A Hypothetical in General
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #44
As I see it, the only way that you can not judge the value of life is by saying that two lives are superior to one. You can say one of three things about this - one life is superior to two lives, two lives are superior to one life, or two lives are equal to one life.

If you go with the latter, as I tend to think that Stuggie would, you are therefore saying that one of the lives in the two life bracket is half the value of the second one life.

Also, on the cure for cancer argument, we can only rely on statistics to answer this. While the life you end may come up with the cure for cancer, the lives that you are damning through inaction are one thousand times more likely to come up with the cure for cancer. To me, there's no dilemma.

A more interesting example would be, do you kill one good person to save a thousand evil people?
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00
The Community Is Criminally Ignorant: A Study in Blades of Avernum
Shaper
Member # 22
Profile #22
Anyway, in Britain, 75% is a solid B.
Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00

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