Happy Birth of Deus Invictus Mithras!

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I'm going to my future inlaws for the holidays tonight for the weekend (and thus offline), so I just wanted to wish everyone a Merry Christmas (the date for which was stolen from the cult of the aforementioned Mithras, who was said to be born as the sun springing from a crack in a rock round about this time of year). Best to everyone.
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"future inlaws" - Good luck...

How much truth is there in that "Mithras" story?

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Ooo... that's a tough hole.

I guess I could join in the festivities, seeing as my only holiday coming up is 'Festivus'. May the feats of strength begin!

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As long as nobody wishes me a 'Happy Solstice"...

Merry Christmas.
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Meri Kurisumasu mina-san! /evil

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At least the solstice is a scientific fact -- although it's over now in any case.

(Actually, I've lately taken to using "Yuletide" as it makes me sound slightly less like a flaky pagan than "solstice". Unfortunately, it's also less accurate, since I don't even have a fireplace to burn a Yule log in if I wanted to.)

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Useless fact: Christmas is called 'Jul' in swedish, which is pronounced almost like 'Yule'. 'Christmas time' would be translated to 'Juletid' in swedish.

Thank you for your time.

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Who was born in a house full of pain
Who was trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to do by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with collar and chain
Who was given a pat on the back
Who was breaking away from the pack
Who was only a stranger at home
Who was ground down in the end
Who was found dead on the phone
Who was dragged down by the stone
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In Finnish Christmas is called "Joulu". Santa Claus is called "Joulupukki", "pukki" means "a goat" and it can also be used as a verb, "pukkia", which means "to hump"

Now I shall spill some eggnog *Evil grin*

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Found a little info on this, quoted below:

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Mithraism arose in the Mediterranean world at the same time as Christianity, either imported from Iran, as Franz Cumont believed, or as a new religion which borrowed the name Mithras from the Persians, as the Congress of Mithraic Studies suggested in 1971.

Mithraism radiated from India where there is evidence of its practice from 1400 B.C. Mitra was part of the Hindu pantheon and Mithra was a minor Zooroastrian deity, the god of the airy light between heaven and earth. He was also a military general in Chinese mythology .

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But the actual choice of December 25 for Christmas was made under the Emperor Aurelian because this was the date of the Winter Solstice and was the day devotees of Mithras celebrated the dies natalis solis invicti (birthday of the invincible sun).

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The following summarizes the aspects of Mithraism that are also found in Christianity.

“Mithras, the sun-god, was born of a virgin in a cave on December 25, and worshipped on Sunday, the day of the conquering sun. He was a savior-god who rivaled Jesus in popularity. He died and was resurrected in order to become a messenger god, an intermediary between man and the good god of light, and the leader of the forces of righteousness against the dark forces of the god evil.”
- Pagan Origins of Christmas

(in that same page was a link to this essay by an angry person)

(here you may find a longer essay about Mithra, et al)
(another one for redundance's sake)

Lastly, here's a little picture of a statue:

IMAGE(http://www.roemercohorte.de/mithras.gif)

Fortunatus diei dies natalis solis invicti
(grammar here is very wrong, btw. sorry about that)

(the link to M Cumont's mini-bio is mine and not the quoted page)

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The story of Mithras being born on December 25 is probably more true than the story of Jesus being born on December 25.

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Woohoo! They have wireless internet.

quote:
Originally written by The Absolut Sagacious stranger:


How much truth is there in that "Mithras" story?

Probably about as much as there is to the divine birth of Christ. :P

http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/mithras/text.htm
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Divine birth, yes. December 25, no.

Let the flame war commence!

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quote:
Originally written by Andrew Miller:

Woohoo! They have wireless internet.
Hooray.

quote:
Originally written by Andrew Miller:

Probably about as much as there is to the divine birth of Christ.
Well, that's not so important as long as readers of the Bible learn from the stories.

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I'm tired of the strain and the pain ___ ___ ___ I feel the same, I feel nothing
Nothing is important to me ___ ___ ___ ___ __ And nobody nowhere understands anything
About me and all my dreams lost at sea ___ __ But we’re not the same, we’re different tonight
We’ll make things right, we’ll feel it all tonight _ The indescribable moments of your life tonight
The impossible is possible tonight ___ ____ ___ Believe in me as I believe in you, tonight

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Hmmmm, this is interesting.

My mom just said that according to Biblical accounts, Jesus was born sometime in the fall.(!!) How they came up with December 25 is a mystery to me.

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Well, a lot of people think Jesus was born in 4-5 BC, so there seem to be mistakes all over the place.

[ Thursday, December 23, 2004 15:32: Message edited by: The Absolut Sagacious stranger ]

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I'm tired of the strain and the pain ___ ___ ___ I feel the same, I feel nothing
Nothing is important to me ___ ___ ___ ___ __ And nobody nowhere understands anything
About me and all my dreams lost at sea ___ __ But we’re not the same, we’re different tonight
We’ll make things right, we’ll feel it all tonight _ The indescribable moments of your life tonight
The impossible is possible tonight ___ ____ ___ Believe in me as I believe in you, tonight

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It's quite clear that if shepards are in the fields and crap like that, then Jesus was not born in December.

Most pros think around June.

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quote:
Originally written by 4614 and 4808:

Hmmmm, this is interesting.

My mom just said that according to Biblical accounts, Jesus was born sometime in the fall.(!!) How they came up with December 25 is a mystery to me.

It was explained earlier in the topic.

Maybe in high school they'll learn you how to read, huh?
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Even Christian religious historians don't really care about the "real" birthday of Jesus. They haven't sufficient information to find out, and some think that it is so purposeless that it is demeaning to His divine aspect.

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Obviously, as the teachings of Jesus and the Bible are the important things.

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I'm tired of the strain and the pain ___ ___ ___ I feel the same, I feel nothing
Nothing is important to me ___ ___ ___ ___ __ And nobody nowhere understands anything
About me and all my dreams lost at sea ___ __ But we’re not the same, we’re different tonight
We’ll make things right, we’ll feel it all tonight _ The indescribable moments of your life tonight
The impossible is possible tonight ___ ____ ___ Believe in me as I believe in you, tonight

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Is this supposed to be the "Happy Christmas" topic? Man, I can feel the joy and loving!

Anyway, I wish everyone a Merry Christmas.

And to those feeling insulted and outraged by this, I wish a happy winter holiday.

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'Tis a normal happy spiderweb forum thread. Even though Christmas is supposed to be a happy event, most families will end up arguing about cousin Jimmy who is a failure because he has a boyfriend and aunt Sarah who always has sex with everyone in the party.

Joyful holidays!

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I wonder if my cousin Joshua will come to dinner tonight? As far as any of us know, he is a fascist. He argues with everyone, and decided, last time I saw him, that he was going to put a liquid nitrogen cooling system in his laptop, and was arguing about this with my uncle, who is an engineer working for GE. I doubt he's coming though.

EDIT: Josh came to dinner, and didn't start an argument. We actually got along with him, like we used to before he went to college.

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