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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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An agumented Guardian with a Parry Level of 15, Melee of 17, Bazerlite?

How much damage can a single Guardian do per round? About 1500 (being generous, if they have three attacks.) A Shaper could do about the same with blessed, hasted Drayks (you assume such a high level of Parry and Melee, so I assume a high level of Intelligence and Fire Shaping).

Also, the amount of HP's a guardian can have at higher levels dwindles... You can have 3600 HP in Drayks...

Even better, a Rotgroth with Parry...

And good luck parrying an Eyebeast/Gazer.

[ Wednesday, June 01, 2005 01:50: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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An agumented Guardian with a Parry Level of 15, Melee of 17, Bazerlite?

How much damage can a single Guardian do per round? About 1500 (being generous, if they have three attacks.) A Shaper could do about the same with blessed, hasted Drayks (you assume such a high level of Parry and Melee, so I assume a high level of Intelligence and Fire Shaping).

Also, the amount of HP's a guardian can have at higher levels dwindles... You can have 3600 HP in Drayks...

Even better, a Rotgroth with Parry...

And good luck parrying an Eyebeast/Gazer.

[ Wednesday, June 01, 2005 01:50: Message edited by: Waylander ]
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Questions- spoilers warning in Geneforge Series
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I joined the loyalists and was pretty disappointed with what they have to offer.

They actually aren't too bad. You can learn to shape good creations REAL cheap early on. In fact, being a Loyalist is the cheapest way to get Drayks. Being a Loyalist allows you to get Drayks earlier than you usually would be able to.

And Drayks are the ROXXORZ!

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So far there is a lot of stuff for the Barzites but not sure it's worth it yet.

Barzites are the best...

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Questions- spoilers warning in Geneforge 2
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I joined the loyalists and was pretty disappointed with what they have to offer.

They actually aren't too bad. You can learn to shape good creations REAL cheap early on. In fact, being a Loyalist is the cheapest way to get Drayks. Being a Loyalist allows you to get Drayks earlier than you usually would be able to.

And Drayks are the ROXXORZ!

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So far there is a lot of stuff for the Barzites but not sure it's worth it yet.

Barzites are the best...
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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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I disagree. I think that Shapers start out the weakest, but end up by far the strongest.

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Shapers die from a slight breeze,

Shapers are rarely hit. Augmentation and Essence Armour also help.

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and have to rely on their pets for protection. In addition they can't fight very well, again relying on their pets.

How is this a weakness? Yes, the Shaper can't fight for himself, but his 'pets' do a far better job at fighting than a guardian or agent. In fact, I would say that the Shaper's 'weakness' of having to summon pets is in fact his greatest strength.

Shaper's can do the most damage against a single target. A blessed hasted agent with three attacks per round could do about 750 damage to one target with kill. Guardians hit for about 400-600 damage, assuming quick action is successful.
A Shaper with 4 blessed, hasted Drayks with two attacks per round each could do about 1,200 damage (assuming each fire ball hits for 120 damage, although my Drayks have reached 200 damage with fireballs). Combined with Mass Daze, a Shaper can pick off opposition...

Against multiple targets, an agent has 'Aura of Flames'. However, it is very high cost, and cannot be cast more than twice (unless you have an insane amount of intelligence). A gazer (or is it eyebeast?) is able to cast Aura of Flames more than twice, and has a nifty melee attack.

A shaper who sacrifices all for his creations is a powerhouse. I hate to boast, but I wore the finest equipment which would boost my creation's status at about level 34, and my Drayk's had about 600 HP each (without evolving them, or placing anything more than two Intelligent Point's in their stat's). That is more HP than a guardian, and remember that I had about 6, so technically I had a war machine with 3600 HP.
And even better, if they are unlucky enough to be taken out, the game doesn't end.

It is expensive to be a Shaper in GF2 (unlike GF1, where shaping power was handed to you on a platter), but it is definitely worth every coin.

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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I disagree. I think that Shapers start out the weakest, but end up by far the strongest.

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Shapers die from a slight breeze,

Shapers are rarely hit. Augmentation and Essence Armour also help.

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and have to rely on their pets for protection. In addition they can't fight very well, again relying on their pets.

How is this a weakness? Yes, the Shaper can't fight for himself, but his 'pets' do a far better job at fighting than a guardian or agent. In fact, I would say that the Shaper's 'weakness' of having to summon pets is in fact his greatest strength.

Shaper's can do the most damage against a single target. A blessed hasted agent with three attacks per round could do about 750 damage to one target with kill. Guardians hit for about 400-600 damage, assuming quick action is successful.
A Shaper with 4 blessed, hasted Drayks with two attacks per round each could do about 1,200 damage (assuming each fire ball hits for 120 damage, although my Drayks have reached 200 damage with fireballs). Combined with Mass Daze, a Shaper can pick off opposition...

Against multiple targets, an agent has 'Aura of Flames'. However, it is very high cost, and cannot be cast more than twice (unless you have an insane amount of intelligence). A gazer (or is it eyebeast?) is able to cast Aura of Flames more than twice, and has a nifty melee attack.

A shaper who sacrifices all for his creations is a powerhouse. I hate to boast, but I wore the finest equipment which would boost my creation's status at about level 34, and my Drayk's had about 600 HP each (without evolving them, or placing anything more than two Intelligent Point's in their stat's). That is more HP than a guardian, and remember that I had about 6, so technically I had a war machine with 3600 HP.
And even better, if they are unlucky enough to be taken out, the game doesn't end.

It is expensive to be a Shaper in GF2 (unlike GF1, where shaping power was handed to you on a platter), but it is definitely worth every coin.
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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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I'm not necessarily talking about physical strength. More along the lines of who you can 'powergame' best with.
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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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I'm not necessarily talking about physical strength. More along the lines of who you can 'powergame' best with.

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Gazers in Geneforge Series
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Anyhow- the final thing boils down to this- is it worth the effort to try and kill the gazer? Basically- the stuff he's guarding- worth the trouble? Necessary. . .etc?


Yes.

To kick his ass, just bless and haste your creations. Try to terrorize the eyebeast. And go into combat mode first, so you are the first to attack.

Drayks are livesaver's against Gazers. Or you could use an eyebeast... fire with fire.

[ Wednesday, May 25, 2005 16:38: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Gazers in Geneforge 2
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Anyhow- the final thing boils down to this- is it worth the effort to try and kill the gazer? Basically- the stuff he's guarding- worth the trouble? Necessary. . .etc?


Yes.

To kick his ass, just bless and haste your creations. Try to terrorize the eyebeast. And go into combat mode first, so you are the first to attack.

Drayks are livesaver's against Gazers. Or you could use an eyebeast... fire with fire.

[ Wednesday, May 25, 2005 16:38: Message edited by: Waylander ]
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Which Faction Has The Powa? in Geneforge Series
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It leads to a set of rooms full of pretty decent gear, plus a set of six canisters that sit in pairs behind a series of thorn barriers.

Correction: It's SEVEN canisters. You also get a canister of 'Create Drayk', which is in Barzhal's room.

In otherwords, join the Barzites early, and you get cyrodrayks straight away. :D

And the Barzites have the best ending. Joining the Taker's does NOT give you power...

[ Wednesday, May 25, 2005 16:36: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Which Faction Has The Powa? in Geneforge 2
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It leads to a set of rooms full of pretty decent gear, plus a set of six canisters that sit in pairs behind a series of thorn barriers.

Correction: It's SEVEN canisters. You also get a canister of 'Create Drayk', which is in Barzhal's room.

In otherwords, join the Barzites early, and you get cyrodrayks straight away. :D

And the Barzites have the best ending. Joining the Taker's does NOT give you power...

[ Wednesday, May 25, 2005 16:36: Message edited by: Waylander ]
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Are there two perfect glaahk scales? in Geneforge Series
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I once found a perfect Glaahk scale dropped by that Ur-Glaahk in the Glaahk-infested zone on the road to Rising.

Me too! I actually got it the last game I played.

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Are there two perfect glaahk scales? in Geneforge 2
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I once found a perfect Glaahk scale dropped by that Ur-Glaahk in the Glaahk-infested zone on the road to Rising.

Me too! I actually got it the last game I played.
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The Vlish Lord. in Geneforge Series
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The vanilla vlish is perhaps my favourite creation throughout the game, due to its low cost, yet high effectivity against enemies. Three or four vlish's can incapacitate a battle alpha or glaahk.

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Progressing as an Agent in Geneforge Series
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every time it makes a creation, Dominate it. Why fight fair when you can fight dirty?

A good way to take out spawners is to Dominate them. The spawner will make a creation which will still be hostile. But since the spawner is on your side... well, the spawner has just sealed its own doom. :D

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I'm stuck - how can I get southwest? in Geneforge Series
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Once more; Buy up Mech to clear the valley, the sprayers are worth equal XP after cleared as the two Mech points you bought.

No, they are not, for two major reasons.

1. There is plenty of experience to be had in the game. By the end, killing Ur-Drakons might earn you about 10 exp points.

2. You can increase Mech with items. If he hastes through the Experimental Valley, he can got to the Clockwork Factory. He can then get the Tinkers Gloves, as well as the +1 from the book. Along with the Infiltrator's Shield, Cloak and Tunic, that's 6 mech points.

Why waste good skill points on BS mech? I sink about 4 into it, and I survive.

[ Tuesday, May 17, 2005 06:43: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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I'm stuck - how can I get southwest? in Geneforge 2
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Once more; Buy up Mech to clear the valley, the sprayers are worth equal XP after cleared as the two Mech points you bought.

No, they are not, for two major reasons.

1. There is plenty of experience to be had in the game. By the end, killing Ur-Drakons might earn you about 10 exp points.

2. You can increase Mech with items. If he hastes through the Experimental Valley, he can got to the Clockwork Factory. He can then get the Tinkers Gloves, as well as the +1 from the book. Along with the Infiltrator's Shield, Cloak and Tunic, that's 6 mech points.

Why waste good skill points on BS mech? I sink about 4 into it, and I survive.

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I'm stuck - how can I get southwest? in Geneforge Series
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If you don't want to waste points on mechanics, Haste + Combat Mode gets me through the Experimental Valley every time.

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I'm stuck - how can I get southwest? in Geneforge 2
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If you don't want to waste points on mechanics, Haste + Combat Mode gets me through the Experimental Valley every time.
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advice for shaper progression in Geneforge Series
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Augmentation is serious: at high levels, it can add 70+ Health,

Combine that with Essence Armour. ;)

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How does Dominate work? in Geneforge Series
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The insturctions says bluntly what will boost ALL magic, what all magic is base don,

I know that, Contra. However, it doesn't specifically mention spell duration, especially relating to Dominate. So I'm not 100% sure.

I know that with Spellcraft+Mental Magic increases likelihood to hit enemy with Dominate, likelihood to charm (it specifically mentions this in the instructions). But not the duration of the domination.

Spiderweb has never been great at giving in detail descriptions, but then what average gamer wants to know abou the mechanics of the game?

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How does Dominate work? in Geneforge 2
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The insturctions says bluntly what will boost ALL magic, what all magic is base don,

I know that, Contra. However, it doesn't specifically mention spell duration, especially relating to Dominate. So I'm not 100% sure.

I know that with Spellcraft+Mental Magic increases likelihood to hit enemy with Dominate, likelihood to charm (it specifically mentions this in the instructions). But not the duration of the domination.

Spiderweb has never been great at giving in detail descriptions, but then what average gamer wants to know abou the mechanics of the game?
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G2 - Gazer Lvl 3 in Geneforge Series
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Just consider how you react when you encounter a bunch of different rogues together. If one of them is a Gazer, you do everything you can to take it out first, because you know that if you don't, something on your side is probably going to die.

I think this reasoning is flawed, for several reasons...

1. Rotgroths do the most damage to a single person. I take them out first. You can feel free to kill my creations and hurt me a bit, but if you wipe me out, game over...

2. Eyebeasts on Torment do a lot of damage, but eyebeasts which you make don't do that much damage to a particular target.

3. Eyebeasts cost a hell of a lot of essence. This isn't a problem for your opponent.

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G2 - Gazer Lvl 3 in Geneforge 2
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Just consider how you react when you encounter a bunch of different rogues together. If one of them is a Gazer, you do everything you can to take it out first, because you know that if you don't, something on your side is probably going to die.

I think this reasoning is flawed, for several reasons...

1. Rotgroths do the most damage to a single person. I take them out first. You can feel free to kill my creations and hurt me a bit, but if you wipe me out, game over...

2. Eyebeasts on Torment do a lot of damage, but eyebeasts which you make don't do that much damage to a particular target.

3. Eyebeasts cost a hell of a lot of essence. This isn't a problem for your opponent.
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