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Exile 1: Escape From The Pit in The Exile Trilogy
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Well, you can't really 'finish' Exile, but there are three major missions you must complete.

1. Slay Grah-Hoth (begins by slaying the Slith King).

2. Assassinate Emperor Hawthorne.

3. Find an exit to the surface.

Of course, it's a little more complex than that. For instance, to begin your little assassination quest, you'll need to visit Erika, and then collect brooches to use the teleporter.

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Avernum or Exile. A question, not a poll. in The Avernum Trilogy
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My question is, how different are the games?

Mega-different.

The plot and the maps are the same, but the experience is totally different. The gameplay is the major difference. The spell system in Avernum has been mangled, as well as the alchemy (do NOT call it potions...).

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Would it spoil Exile to play the Avernum series?

I'd play Exile first. That's what I done (had no choice, Avernum wasn't out when I played Exile).

I'm old school, and prefer Exile over Avernum. Call me crazy, but nothing beats the original (and being able to wield two dual waveblades dipped in killer poison).

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Whats your favorite creation? in Geneforge Series
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I have always been, and always will be, a Drayk fan. They have been solid creations throughout the entire series. Pity that the Drakkons order them around. Down with the Drakkons!

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Whats your favorite creation? in Geneforge 2
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I have always been, and always will be, a Drayk fan. They have been solid creations throughout the entire series. Pity that the Drakkons order them around. Down with the Drakkons!
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About the difficulty in Geneforge Series
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Does anyone here think that the difficulty of GF 3 is higher than that of GF 1 and 2? It's pretty tough of the first two isles, but then the difficulty soars when you reach Dhonal's Isle, in my opinion.

I'm not complaining. In fact, it's good that Jeff has made a game which tests my intellect, strategy, and resolve.

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Endings in Geneforge Series
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This is the loyalist ending asuming that you had alwan and all okay

I've almost finished the game as a loyalist, but I couldn't resist looking.

Ohh boy, that is quite a depressing (yet realistic) ending. I like it!

As they said in Geneforge 1, you can't unring a bell. It would be obscene for Jeff to create a 'nice' ending for the Loyalists, since the infection has spread to far. For better or worse, the Geneforge and its secrets have been discovered by the rogues. The Shaper Council reacted poorly when they first realized the danger of the Geneforge. They should have destroyed it immediately...

In Geneforge 4, the only way I can see the Shapers gaining an upper hand is by mimicking the Barzites. Use the forbidden knowledge. Perhaps then they could control it, and ensure that it doesn't get out of hand. Or perhaps it would consume them...

Better to consume yourself, than be eaten by Ur-Drakkons. That's just my opinion. :P

[ Friday, June 17, 2005 01:25: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Who has the moral high-ground in Geneforge Series
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however, in the third one, i didn't even see a servile. the rebels just wanted power and made excuses.

That statement is 100% true for the Drakkons, who only wanted power and revenge. Congrats to the guy who mentioned 'Animal Farm', since the Drakkons definitely remind me of Napoleon. In fact, the slow migration from creation rights in GF 1, to the abuse of creations to fight the 'enemy' in GF 2, reminded me of the slow migration to facism/tyranny in Animal Farm.

However, I think that Lilita and Master Hoge did want justice and equality for serviles. The canisters merely made them more dispassionate (like Phariton in GF 2). It would have taken a lot of strength, courage and determination to turn your back on an ancient establishment which could kill you for your treachery. And will they TRULY be rewarded for it? To the GF veterans here, remember the Taker ending for GF 2. People like Lilita and Master Hoge may be respected and even accepted by the Creations they fight for, but deep down, they are still Shapers. The Creations will always remember that.

Although people are bound to disagree, I think that Master Hoge, and especially Lilita, are not really responsible for their actions. Those canisters are like drugs which strip away their humanity... how were they meant to know that until it was too late?

Hmmmm... the Drakkons addicted Lilita and Master Hoge to the canisters, so that they could have them in the palm of their hands. Clever. By the time Hoge and Lilita had their doubts about the power mad Drakkons, it was too late to walk away. Loyalists don't give canisters.

This is why I hate playing as the Rebels. The Drakkons are not only more evil in my opinion, but also more manipulative.

[ Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:31: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Three questions, and some thoughts in Geneforge Series
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Question 1: Can I find Create Drayk on Dhonal's Isle???

Question 2: I've noticed a difference between GF 2, but I need to have it confirmed. If I want 4 in a particular skill, can I use two canisters first and THEN train to reach 4 in skill level? In Geneforge 2, you couldn't do this (had to train to skill 2 first, and then use canisters), but I think I done that with the spell 'Heal'. I brought one level, read a spellbook, and then brought another.

3. Is it possible to get more than 4 in Create Fyora? I can create Battle Alpha's and Glaahks, but I've always had a soft spot for the humble fyora. 8 essence, and they really pack a punch. If so, where do I find the canisters/spellbooks?

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It seems the Cyroa is far more powerful and useful than in GF 2 and GF 1. I was wasting Vlish and another annoyances on the second isle, whereas my pet Vlish weren't dishing out much hurt (yes yes, I know that magic Creations don't do much damage to other magic creations.)

60 Essence points for a Glaahk. What the...?!?! When I saw that, I was rightfully mad. My favourite Creation has been nerfed (no stunning against battle creations), and costs far more.

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Who has the moral high-ground in Geneforge Series
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I feel that the Loyalist Shapers have the moral high ground, for many reasons.

1. The Shapers have brought life to countless places. Their main work basically includes making new colonies which are pleasant to live in. They try to turn deserts into paradise.

2. Yes, the Shapers are very restricting, but now we see why such a policy is necessary. Human mages complain about the restriction on magick, yet we see the results of not restricting that power in GF 2 and GF 3.

3. The Shapers may have a bad attitude towards Creations, but it IS improving. In Geneforge 1, you visit an Arena. It mentions that once creations used to fight in the Arena, but it was banned due to being 'inhumane'.

4. In Geneforge 3, the entire aim of the Loyalists is to kill rogues. In fact, a true shaper will eliminate rogues, not matter what.

However, the Rebels have no qualms against placing rogues where ever they want, even if the rogues kill indiscriminately.

5. It is quite clear that the Rebel leaders have no noble intentions. They are merely power mad.

The Shaper Council are dictators, perhaps, but the leader Drakkons are warlords. What is the difference? The Shaper Council seems to at least be partially concerned about the civilizations they control. The Drakkons only care about personal power.

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Creations in Demo Version in Geneforge Series
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Walter:
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Oops, my mistake.

You didn't make a mistake. You can get one point of create thahd from the mage at South End, AND one point from the testing ground. Hence, you can have nasty thahd shades which are difficult to hit. :D

The battle creations have sure been ramped up in this game. Thahd Shades evade attacks, Clawbugs seem tougher, and Rotgroths are very endurable.

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Living tools just spray spores? What's happened to these valuable tools? in Geneforge Series
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That's actually quite weird, Rosie. I've played through Geneforge 1 a thousand times, and never had that problem!

I wouldn't throw those living tools away... you can most likely use them somewhere else.

Do you have the spell 'Unlock'? Perhaps that will work.

As to the message 'living thing will behave differently', that should have NOTHING to do with the living tool. That tells me that you hit a switch which affects turrets/pylons/mines.

[ Tuesday, June 07, 2005 04:53: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Living tools just spray spores? What's happened to these valuable tools? in Geneforge
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That's actually quite weird, Rosie. I've played through Geneforge 1 a thousand times, and never had that problem!

I wouldn't throw those living tools away... you can most likely use them somewhere else.

Do you have the spell 'Unlock'? Perhaps that will work.

As to the message 'living thing will behave differently', that should have NOTHING to do with the living tool. That tells me that you hit a switch which affects turrets/pylons/mines.

[ Tuesday, June 07, 2005 04:53: Message edited by: Waylander ]
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ok, what;'s wrong here ... in Geneforge Series
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That said, I pretty much couldn't be bothered traveling all the way back to the testing ground even though i was a shaper. I had gone far enough through the game that I didn't think I needed what it was going to give me

I go back there when I have brought 2 in Artila, Thahd and Heal. I can make strong Thahd Shades (4 points in Create Thahd) when I'm on the second island... w00t!

And fyoras/cyroas rock in this game. On torment, I totally cleaned house with just fyoras on the first island, and a fyora and cryoa on the second island.

[ Friday, June 03, 2005 17:40: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Good ol' Sucia Island in Geneforge Series
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I found Geneforge 1 to be the most enjoyable. I don't like the 'new' creations you make/fight... they are unimaginative and overpowered.

I long for the days when Drayks were at the top of the pecking order.

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Good ol' Sucia Island in Geneforge
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I found Geneforge 1 to be the most enjoyable. I don't like the 'new' creations you make/fight... they are unimaginative and overpowered.

I long for the days when Drayks were at the top of the pecking order.
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Help with the Agent in Geneforge Series
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If he can't find the search function, it may explain why he has trouble playing an Agent.

That's harsh. In his defense, the 'search' function is quite difficult to find on this board. Even I had trouble, although I was quite aware it had one (every forum has one).

Perhaps something as important as the 'search' link shouldn't be in microfont, located at the very upper lefthand corner of the page, where no one looks. I'm not blaming you for that, DV, just venting a long-held grudge about search functions on forums which are d*** hard to locate (after all, one cannot search for the search function).

EDIT BY KEL: Even mild swearing is technically against the rules.

[ Friday, June 03, 2005 08:46: Message edited by: Thurylandon ]

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What do YOU want to see in G4? in Geneforge Series
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An all out war between Drayks and Drakkons would sure be interesting. Drayks seem to have quite a bit of resentment towards Drakkons.

Another possible scenario I would love to see is a bloodthirsty race from across the sea, who are proficient technologically (guns, cannon, golems) invading. Perhaps they use 'twisted' magick relying on death.

For the first time, Shapers and serviles would have to unite to fight a common foe. There would be division in the Shaper council on whether to use canisters, and arm serviles.

[ Friday, June 03, 2005 07:27: Message edited by: Waylander ]

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Ideal Shaper Build? in Geneforge Series
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Hey, where in G3 can you get the Forbidden Band? Maybe I saw it once in an earlier game ... or did I?

It was in Geneforge 2... you got it in Medab for discovering the cure for the servile disease.

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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I rarely buy higher then 9 in a Shaping skill with a Shaper

Do you use the rest on intelligence?

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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I rarely buy higher then 9 in a Shaping skill with a Shaper

Do you use the rest on intelligence?
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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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Stun doesn't come into effect until the round after, I've noticed...

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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Stun doesn't come into effect until the round after, I've noticed...
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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge Series
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Contra:

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My guradian can bring up an army of Cryodrayks aswell, probably the same strenght as any shaper would.

Total nonsense. If you did this, you would sacrifice the Guardian's major feat, which is massive melee damage. A Guardian can shape, but nowhere near as good as a Shaper. I have made a shaper Guardian, and he sucked.

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Agents with high INT can indeed pull half a dozen Auras in a row

Only three... you only get three attacks per round, max.

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Who's the strongest PC? in Geneforge 2
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Contra:

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My guradian can bring up an army of Cryodrayks aswell, probably the same strenght as any shaper would.

Total nonsense. If you did this, you would sacrifice the Guardian's major feat, which is massive melee damage. A Guardian can shape, but nowhere near as good as a Shaper. I have made a shaper Guardian, and he sucked.

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Agents with high INT can indeed pull half a dozen Auras in a row

Only three... you only get three attacks per round, max.
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What do YOU want to see in G4? in Geneforge Series
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I would like to see a 'prequel' to Geneforge 1. Perhaps from Trajkov's perspective...

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