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Undead Topics Need Loving Too (aka "Give Me Your First-Born") in General
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As you wish. Cad!

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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I may show up later if I manage to write the fourth chapter for nano, but it'll probably take a couple of hours in any case. Um, not from this very moment.. but in about half an hour. Because I'm still procrastinating.

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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If I remember correctly that one Silver Inn (new? second? If forget) RP got so long that it got corrupted, and pages of it disappeared. I think it was around 50 pages. What happens when this one reaches over 1000 posts? :\ Bad stuff?

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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is there an item and stat list yet? in Geneforge Series
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I think you should look at Schrodinger's FAG (top of the forum, list of links), and then scroll pretty near the end.

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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is there an item and stat list yet? in Geneforge
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I think you should look at Schrodinger's FAG (top of the forum, list of links), and then scroll pretty near the end.

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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How barbaric! :0 Serves you two right. :P

[ Friday, November 04, 2005 12:12: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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http://www.tip.it/runescape/?page=dwarven_mine.htm

A map. ^ Also, 60 mining, 37 coal rocks. That also gets crowded? I only have 52 mining, and I remember that the Mining guild was members.. Has that changed, because I was really sure about that?

E: I know. So, there has been _no change_, and I must've been thinking about some other guild? Crafter's maybe? .. No, that's free too. Huh. Maybe I got it mixed with Magician's guild. *puzzled* o.o

[ Friday, November 04, 2005 07:29: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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The round mine south of Falador is the Rimmington mine. There's gold in there, tough. And there's 4 coal rocks in the Barbarian Village, they're kinda close. Just.. crowded. Easily.

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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Perhaps he thought about the entrance to the mining guild, which is in Falador. (and the guild which is in Dwarven mines)

[ Friday, November 04, 2005 00:31: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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Still about the spirits and afterlife and all...

"5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)
Dead have no feelings, nothing to do, they're not conscious.

"His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish." (Psalms 146:4)

E: Oh, and back when Adam did the unforgivable, Jehovah told him that "for dust you are and to dust you will return." So, basically, he wasn't anything before Jehovah created him, and he would return to the nothingness. No spirits or anything. Just gone.

"He said these things, and after this he said to them: "Lazarus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep." Therefore the disciples said to him: "Lord, if he has gone to rest, he will get well." Jesus had spoken, however, about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. At that time, therefore, Jesus said to the outspokenly: "Lazarus had died--."" (John 11:11-14) Jesus spoke of death as a kind of deep sleep without dreams. To Jesus who had powers given to him by God, it was easy to 'awaken' Lazarus, but for everyone else he was just.. dead. Gone and buried. :\ But that's why it was called a miracle, of course.

Also, Stefanos was said to have fallen asleep when he was stoned. Paul also said in his letter to Corinthians that some had fallen asleep, and these both meant that they had died.

How about *why* do we die?

[ Friday, November 04, 2005 00:13: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

If you want to "correct" or "educate" me, go for it. I don't mind. But I will critically assess the reasons you give me to agree with you. If your reasons are good enough, I should come around.

Nope. Not really. I just want everyone to survive. I know I can't reach everyone's heart, but I'd love to. I just want people to realise what they're missing out on. I think we all do.
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Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:

Alright, fine. This is a shortcut, because I'm running out of patience, and no that's necessarily a good thing, but I'm tired so that's what you get.
Mind you, the CD's from 1999, because my friend could unfortunately not find the newer one they have. Must get my own some time soon.

Go here and read.

Thanks, but I don't think I will. Partly because it's really long, partly because I'm more interested in YOUR reasons for believing what you do. But if you don't have the time/energy/desire to talk about it, that's fine.
Not right now, no. I'm actually trying to write on my nanonovel, because I started another from scratch and I'm really behind the schedule.
But! My reasons? I just.. do. :\ Maybe it's that what I read makes sense and is logical enough.. maybe it's that there's quite a bit of evidence that Witnesses really do have *something* in here.. or maybe it's how I feel when I've been studying, or been to a meeting, or just spent good time with healthy-minded people. Everything is positive. There's just a gut feeling of.. right.
Oh, and you can't beat getting your first speech assignment. :) I'm looking forward to it, but I don't know what we'll say yet. My friend promised we could look over the speech (or, not a speech per se) some day, but it's set in December, so there's no hurry.

Granted, I'm rather poor in faith. I was (sort of) raised as a Witness, but I'm only getting into it now.
Ash, would you rather read a short story by me? It's a bit exaggerated, but it tells about my feelings from some years back. The main character is .. partially me, but we have the same problem, still. I'm working on it though.

E: Oh, also, that link's for everyone. :\

[ Thursday, November 03, 2005 13:54: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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Alright, fine. This is a shortcut, because I'm running out of patience, and no that's necessarily a good thing, but I'm tired so that's what you get.
Mind you, the CD's from 1999, because my friend could unfortunately not find the newer one they have. Must get my own some time soon.

Go here and read.

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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Satan will be destroyed in time and hell is just wrong wrong wrong. Nothing but a lie. So!

Also, no afterlife. Nada. When you're dead, you're gone. There is absolutely nothing that keeps on going. No soul, no spirit, they're all wrong.
Your life is the flame in a candle. When you blow it out, it doesn't go elsewhere, it's gone.

E: Illogical. And I'm tired, so I'm sorry if I can't get my brain to focus on a hundred pages of things I should translate just to explain one simple thing. I don't want to do this right now.

Besides. Who in here really cares? You all just want to argue. :\

E: That's not the only 'argument' I have. I could quote hundreds of words on these subjects, but I'm tired. I don't believe it would do you any good. You wouldn't believe, no matter what. This, this here what I'm doing? I think is futile.

I'm not even here to argue, I'm here because I care about these things and it hurts me to see someone getting so much wrong. All of you have potential. Don't you want a happy life? If there's no afterlife, wouldn't you rather live forever? Why can't you .. why not? :(

[ Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:06: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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quote:
Originally written by Jewels:

I'm glad to hear it Riibu. Some of my denomination really paint JW's as a 'bad' religion. The only qualm I still keep with your denomination is that you have your 'own' Bible. Why are the exsisting versions not good enough? I have not read any of it to compare how it differs from other translaitons, but I really fear for what of Scripture is getting tweaked just enough not to mean the same thing. I feel this way about most all translations and even have a few reservations for my 'trusty' NIV. Perhaps it's time I learned Greek?
The most important bit that is left out from Bibles is the name of God. Jehovah is the personal name of God which he chose for himself. It means "He Causes To Become" (as in he does nothing in vain, what he sets out to do, he does and so it happens. It's a promise that we can trust his words). His name is mentioned nearly 7000 times in Hebrew texts alone, as the Tetragrammaton (JHWH, if I remember correctly). Granted we don't know *exactly* how it was pronounced back then, but that doesn't stop us. In Finnish we say 'Jehova', but in English there's an 'h' at the end, and the pronounciation is not the very same. In other languages it is also said in different way, because that's how languages work. Remember Matthew 6:9? His name is important and it should not be .. not told to people, who want to get closer to God. I mean, look at it this way: how close can you be to one of your friends, if you never knew their actual name? You'd have to call him 'hey you', or 'person'. That's no basis for a friendship, and same goes for our relationship with Jehovah. The one particularly beautiful thing is that it IS possible to his friend. It's possible to do things that make him feel happy about you. Think about it! We, the tiny, imperfect dust particles of the universe can do things that make our God, Jehovah, happy.
Not even mentioning all the wonderful things that will happen after Harmagedon, and to which we have the chance to be a part of. :) Of course, it doesn't just *happen*.. we do have to work for it.

EDIT: You know how people these days can think that they can choose their religion by whatever suits their fancy most, or combine stuff in whatever way they want to? It doesn't work like that. Jehovah wants us to worship him in a way that really pleases him and that means we do as he tells us to do. We no longer think of life as a personal joyride, but we are under a just and wise rule. Jehovah knows what's best for us (he did create us!) and he loves us.

.. hm. If I keep adding stuff, this'll be a long long post. There's so much I'd like to tell though! :P

[back to original post :\ ]

Also, because this subject came up in our study today.. please people.. don't mention hell to me. Right now that subject just makes me angry. I don't know if you believe in it, but I hope you see through Satan's horrible lies.
There is an excellent example in the book 'What Does The Bible Really Teach?' about that. Let me retell it to you and you decide how it makes you feel.
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What would you think about a man, who'd punish an unobedient child by holding their hands in a fire? Would you respect him? Would you even want to know him? You wouldn't, no doubt about it. You'd probably think of him as extremely cruel. Yet Satan wants you to believe that Jehovah tortures people in a fire forever - billions of years!
Just.. 1 John 4:8 "-- God is love."

I wanted you all to know that. I nearly burst into tears when we got to that part because I just got so angry, and sad. It's a horrible thing to believe.

[ Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:13: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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quote:
Originally written by NaNoWriMo:

It's extremely inefficient to try to process the ore as you mine it. Even in Al-Kharid, the mine and furnace are not so close that it isn't quicker to mine in Varrock and smelt in Falador, and bank in the meantime.
The Al-Kharid is actually closer to a furnace. :\ It's definitely a shorter way between the mine and the furnace, I could swear by it. But then again, there's the scorpions. You just gotta try not to face them, or anything..

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"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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Okay, so I got somewhat over 3000 words in my story, before I figured out it wasn't working. It's not that I was writing it in English, but I just hadn't planned enough. I don't know my characters and they've been hiding stuff from me. I won't have any "oh, by the way, I'm married to this guy, and you got their names and roles mixed up, anyway" things anymore. I want to know these things before I start writing, and that's at least a week's warning, not some hours.

Also, it has not felt good in any kind of way. So I got 3000 words? And if I got 50,000 of the same? Please no! Tell me I didn't do it! There would be no satisfaction in producing mass quantities of complete and utter garbage. It wouldn't even be worth editing. I don't know where it's going, what's happening and why anything!

So I stopped. I'm starting another story, which I'll damn well write in Finnish. It's already a page long (although only little over 400 words), and it's better than I managed on the first day. I've spent maybe 20 minutes on it, when 600 words of the English crap took the whole day. At least this story I know better. Feel more confident with. Love the characters. I've been dying to get this thing written down.

Just a bit of an update. Everyone else, focus, but feel good! :\

EDIT: What's up with their damn site? It keeps giving me session_confirmation blank pages. All I wanted to do was to change the number of words in the bar and edit the excerpt.. .. and maybe.. you know.. waste just a *bit* of time...

[ Thursday, November 03, 2005 02:02: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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They're just.. rocks. You know, you pick them up from ground and admire them, just like in real life. The garbage isn't good for anything else either. They're just items for atmosphere. Ignore them. :\

EDIT: Well, except for that one rock which you need to open the doors to.. Shaper Crypt, was it? I forget the names. Someone enlighten us on that part.

[ Wednesday, November 02, 2005 13:30: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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They're just.. rocks. You know, you pick them up from ground and admire them, just like in real life. The garbage isn't good for anything else either. They're just items for atmosphere. Ignore them. :\

EDIT: Well, except for that one rock which you need to open the doors to.. Shaper Crypt, was it? I forget the names. Someone enlighten us on that part.

[ Wednesday, November 02, 2005 13:30: Message edited by: Pien' Kiusanhenki ]

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quote:
Originally written by Jewels:

Question for Riibu:

I really don't want to offend or attack you, I am just curious. I've been told that 90% of JW's don't know their own history. So I'd like to ask you if you know how many times JW's founding fathers have predicted the end of the world to a specific year and been wrong (or misunderstood as they always claimed)?

Secondly do you know how many of JW's founding fathers claimed to be avid in Greek and other languages then prooved to be liars in court when they could not do any translation in front of the judge?

I cringe to see someone blindly following a herd, but if you do know and have decided that it doesn't matter then my hat's off to you. Please expand on what you think about it.

Well, our history begins from the very first days as described in Genesis... but you're probably familiar with those, and I think you mean to ask about Russell and those that came after him. Right?
We've read all that. But who they were and what they did has absolutely no affect on us, because we don't follow them. Witnesses study the Bible and learn what it teaches, follow those meanings and do their best to make Jehovah feel happy about them.

Also, because I think this is rather well said:
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The Bible mentions MANY good men throughout history who did bad things. It speaks exceedingly well of King David because he loved and worshipped Jehovah. And yet King David committed adultery, and was guilty of a form of murder of the husband of the woman he was adulterous with. Did he repent? yes. Was he still essentially a GOOD man in spite of his sins? Yes. Did Jehovah forgive him? Yes. Peter denied the Lord Jesus three times. The other apostles ran and hid. They were guilty of abandoning our Lord. Did Jesus forgive them? Yes.
(From the Beliefnet boards, by SherB) It's a good point.

Okay, so some people became too eager and misintepreted the Bible, but we know more now. We try to learn and understand more, personally.

And my very own opinion? Who cares. So people were wrong. I don't know about any trials where people didn't know Greek, but again, it doesn't make much difference now. We've got about 6 million members around the world, so I'm pretty sure there are lots of people working as translators who've studied hebrew and know what they're doing. I trust in Jehovah to take care of us, Jesus to rule on as he already does (although not fully, that's still to come) and the faithful slave to deliver the spiritual food we need. Along with daily Bible studying and more. (which reminds me, I need to start looking at some material for my speech which is December.. it'll be very first one, yay! ^^)

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"Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms

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An bring loads of food with you. I had probably my inv full of fish when going against the vampire, and I was probably around the same level. Of course, my equipment may not have been the very best, but still.. managed :)

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"I'm not crazy!"
"Well, whatever. Maybe you just ate something really questionable, or perhaps someone hit you on the head with something large, blunt and heavy just now. By the way..." Gil nudged Grul pointedly.

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quote:
Originally written by Desert Pl@h:

Fun trivia: The JW Kingdom Halls in and around my city have no windows...anywhere :P .
Guess why. Vandalism. :\ New Kingdom Halls, depending on where they're built, are often built without windows, because all in all it's cheaper. Some people like to throw stones... The Kingdom Hall I go to does have windows. Big windows ( :) ), but it's quiet neighbourhood and Finland's Betel is just next to it.
Yeah, anyway.. just to show that it's nothing odd.

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7 days: possibly, but what's the point? Why do it like in a magical way, when you could go about naturally?

Anyway, I'm using my English Bible for all the verses I type out. So for those unions? I'd have to find a CD with my source material in English (and I asked for one from my friend, but she didn't remember to give it to me). It makes sense, anyway.

In his time? At what point? -_- C'mon, gimme some lines.

Also, since I'm getting tired of this arguing (nobody ever changes their mind, etc etc), "O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then -- one's name would not be cut off or be annihilated from before me." (Isaiah 48:18,19)
If I get the CD in English someday soon, I might throw you the source material straight off, but I also have a better idea.

Want to continue? The next time a JW comes on your door, start a conversation. They'll be more than happy to answer your questions, and they'll be able to do it better than me, because they're talking in their own darn language! They'll also understand you better than me.

I know I left a lot of points not addressed, but this is just overly complicated. An actual JW from around your neighbourhood will know and be able to answer.

(And I want some time for my NaNo novel too. *pout*)

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Who knows? Anyway, how do you how long he waited, or whatever. Would you rather we didn't exist yet? He started too soon? Too late? What is time, when there was only Jehovah, King of eternity?
Also, just think of science. It's proved that the earth is millions of years old. If the seven days were literal, earth would only be 6000 years old. But it's not. The seven days are figurative. They were long periods of time, thousands of years.

Then Plah:
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First, I'm going to have to ask you to re-translate "No, because exactly."
No, as in not out of context. Because exactly, as in you sort of got it correct, but not entirely.

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Second, The Gospel of John, 10:30 "I and the/my Father are One." (NIV/KJV)
Let's have some verses that are linked to this as explanation.
John 10:38 "But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, in order that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father."

John 17:11 "Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are."
Jesus' name means 'Jehovah is salvation' (or maybe escape, rescue, salvage... You get the point). My source information is in Finnish so I'm having to translate this in my best knowledge. But in that way Jesus has Jehovah's name in his own name. It wasn't a rare name, either. That's why he was sometimes called Jesus of Nasareth.

John 17:21 "in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth."
I'm myself, not everyone else, but I may be in union with other people.
Jesus meant that he is Jehovah's representative. Because "Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me."" (John 7:16). When Jesus said that who has seen him, has seen the God, he meant the same. Jesus has been with Jehovah in very close proximity, for billions of years. Remember John 1:1-3? Jesus is Word and he was with God in the beginning, that beginning being the first verses of Genesis. He was there as the masterworker.

And some more:
Romans 12:5 "so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but members belonging individually to one another."

1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I exhort you, brothers, though the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus."

1 John 1:7 "However, if we are walking in the light as he himself is in the light, we do have a sharing with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin."

John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works."

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And, of course, Jesus never resisted being worshipped as God.
What, by the church you mean? Catholics and all of them? Or in his own times?

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Nobody created Jehovah. He's always been. ALWAYS. For eternity and more. Understandably that can be hard to understand, but that's just it. He's God, we're humans. Mortal, for the time being.

Plah, I'm getting to you later.

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Originally written by Desert Pl@h:

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Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation--." (Colossians 1:15) That's about Jesus, who had a beginning. Jehovah created him.

You took that verse COMPLETELY out of context. Proof of this is the very next verse, which continues "For by him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him." (NIV, Colossians 1:16)
No, because exactly. Through him all things were created. Jehovah HIMSELF created ONLY JESUS, and then used Jesus as his masterworker for creating everything else. And there's a dozen and dozen more verses for that and more, but darn it! For some reason I imagined I would have time to start my NaNo novel today... Damn you internet! >.< Later!

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