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horses in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #13
How about this:

Start with a graphic of a mounted NPC.
When the NPC dies, replace it with two other NPCs - a "dead" rider and a "live" mount. Or visa versa, at random.

Then if you wanted to, at battle's end you could make those "captured" mounts available to the party, maybe some to ride, some to sell, etc.

Still doesn't address the "alternate" mount idea, but it's a start.

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Massive army combat? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #10
What about a series on mini-battles that you bounce about from one to the other - your actions in one battle affect how the other's are going. For example, let's say you have 3 mini-battles. You start in #1. After a set period of time, you are yanked out into #2. If you've killed the "leader" of battle one, then #2 battle might be easier - the enemies are in retreat, etc. Then you are yanked into #3, who might be calling for reinforcements based on your progress in #1 and #2.

The mini-battles are occuring more or less all at the same time - what happens in one affects the others. This should get around the "waiting forever for NPCs to finish up" problem, provide an exciting time for all, and simulate a large scale battle.

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boa graphics in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #15
Enough. This conversation is drifting way off topic, and seems to have come to an end.

Discussion of Avernum is best placed in the Avernum Triology Folder.

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boa graphics in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #10
quote:
Originally written by Mortimer:

I just noticed Void that you say that my Ice Demon monster is just a colour change with an original death pose, thats half right. Its actually an original graphic, just compare it to any of the other demons (just clearing that up)
Fixed.

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boa graphics in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #3
Also see the Louvre for BoA Graphics!

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A Challenge: Wild, Rampant Speculation in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #5
Rather than speculate, I've decided to summon both a Spirit and a Spectre, talk to them, and discover the differences. Here goes.....

OK, now, you in the green. Yes, you. Please look at me, not through me! And you, the other one. Why are you raising your cowled arms? Hey, stop that! No glowing! Stop that at ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...........

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BoA graphic - PC sitting in chair ! in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
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You are correct. But go ahead and draw your own chair if you want! Who says characters don't have a special bag of chair holding! Who says they don't carry theior own custom chairs! Heck, we could write an entire scenario about the quest for a new chair!

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A Dialog Editor for BoA? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #2
A tool from scratch would be nice but improbable. What I'm thinking of is a way to structure a word processed doc so dialog could be written then easily transfered into the scenario.

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A Dialog Editor for BoA? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #0
Thinking about the complex dialogs that are possible in BoA, I was wondering if we could come up with a simple way to structure a Word Processed Doc, a DB, etc. so authors could write their dialog beforehand, expressing all the branches that could take place depending on user choice.

It seems to me such a tool would be quite valuable.

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Recent Louvre Submissions in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #1
OK - All recent submissions are up - and they are the BEST!

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Recent Louvre Submissions in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #0
I'm a bit behind, but should have all recent submission up soon. Keep 'em coming!

BTW - How do you all like the Louvre recent changes? I've lots of positive feedback - anything not so good you care to comment on?

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BoA Dialog Graphic Specs in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #5
His answer(s) is/are confusing enough that they need to be checked.

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im probably goin to break some unwritten rule.... in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #12
Please refrain from swearing here. It's just not needed. And I don't believe god has damned any Spidweb game. ;)

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Major Overhaul on the Louvre in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by Namothil:

I find the choice of edits to leave in a bit odd. Out of 14 edits from me that you left, 8 are just simple color shifts (Alternate Lasers, Armor, Banded Walls, Carpets, Knives, Massive Walls, Mossy Walls, and Pattern Tiles)
In contrast, roughly 30 of the graphics pulled were a little more than color edits (I'm not saying that any of them should have stayed - nor do I intend to make any such statement, since I'm obviously biased.)

How do others feel about this? Like I said, I probably made some mistakes, and would like to fix them.

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Major Overhaul on the Louvre in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
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As the poll indicated a 9:1 favor to pull the color edits, the color edits are now pulled from the Louvre and are available as a separate ZIP download right off the search page.

In the download are two folders. One is for Daniel Ray's edits. The other is for miscellaneous edits.

The remaining 170+ graphics are nearly all originals. The color edits that remain I feel show significant effort & change from the original - not just an entire color shift.

I probably made some mistakes here - pulling Daniel's stuff was fairly easy, but I did leave some of his things in the DB.

Please let me know if you see a need to pull any other obvious edits out of the DB, or if by chance I did pull a graphic out and should NOT have, please let me know that as well.

The records.js file is now down to 75K - an acceptable size with room to grow.

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BoA Dialog Graphic Specs in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #0
>Are you to the point where you can share this info? If so, please let me know so I can add it to the "How to make BoA Graphics" site. Thanks!

From Jeff:
It's pretty cimple. There are 2 calls you can use in scripts where you give some text and the number of a graphic. The dialog box appears with the text and the graphic. The two dialogs are for different sizes of graphics, one up to 200 x 200 in size and one up to 400 x 400 in size.

- Jeff Vogel
Spiderweb Software, Inc.
http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com

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Comments on louvres Blades of Avernum graphic database in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #5
I believe that CONSTRUCTIVE criticism would achieve more here than just writing "it's crap." WHY don't you like it? Is it the colors? The shading? Lack of detail? By providing this, you accomplish two things:

1. You defend your overall assessment of the graphic.

2. You provide a positive direction for the artist to take to improve him/herself.

Also, unless your intention is to deliberately start an argument, approaching people from a constructive angle is far more likely to be positively received.

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Comments on louvres Blades of Avernum graphic database in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by Jawaj:

Would it be copyright infringement to take stuff from non-Spidweb games? I’m thinking it would, but I just want to make sure.
Yes, it would. Please don't do it.

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Should color-edits be pulled from the Louvre? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #33
I'll do this time permitting - which is short right now. Probably in the next several weeks. The questions is what to do? Should I:

A. Eliminate the color-shifts entirely, making them a seperate download.

B. Include a filter on the search page that reads "Include color-shifted graphics," with the default being unselected?

A is cleaner for two reasons:

1. This will reduce the DB text file - a file that is read completely into memory when you access the DB. That's what takes some time on machines with slower connections. It's currently pushing 200K. This would take it down to 50K.

2. I do not have a specific field in the DB for color shifts. I have one for original graphics, but I question if it's 100% accurate, as I added it after many graphics were included and then backtracked, relying on my own memory...

Option B will work, but it will take more time, and more feedback from everyone to make sure things show up correctly.

What say you?

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Should Jeff do a designer's log for BoA? in Blades of Avernum
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This would be really useful for beta testers - so they know what bugs have been found and don't waste their time writing up a bug description that Jeff already knows about.

But I wouldn't do this in a weekly fashion. I'd suggest Jeff set up a board here that only testers can access, where he and others can post bug reports daily.

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Should color-edits be pulled from the Louvre? in Blades of Avernum
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Some people in the community feel that color edits of original BoA graphics waste space on the Louvre, making it hard to find original art. A suggested compromise is to pull out all the color edits now in the Louvre and place them in a downloadable ZIP file. The new Louvre would then contain only original artwork. I would continue to accept color edits, but they would just be added to the ZIP archive.
This poll has been moved to another forum.

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Louvre up to 437 graphics! in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #33
Well, I could make two archives - one for color edits that's just a ZIP file for downloading, and another that contains only original artwork. I'll put up a poll.

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News on BoA Webring? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #23
Here's the thing - a Webring exists. Drakfyre created it. All he needs to do now is advertise it. We can put a link to it in this forum's header, for example.

Arguing over the viability of a ring is an interesting diversion, but ultimately useless. It either will or won't take off. I believe it will, and there are indications in the BoE community that it will.

If it doesn't, the only harm done is loss of time on the individual maintaining it, and those who joined and added the webring code to their pages.

What I don't want to see is what happened in the early days of BoE - many fragmented sites that led to confusion. Newbies had a hard time getting into the system, learning it, and producing scenarios. By establishing the main building blocks (a webring is one) we know we need for such a community now, the better for all.

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News on BoA Webring? in Blades of Avernum
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I say let's hit the ground running.

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News on BoA Webring? in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 15
Profile Homepage #10
C'mon Drakey! We know you can do it! Earn your place in the BoA Community! Go Drakeyfyre Go!

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