Morality question
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:26
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This is all hypothetical. Let's say you are the passenger of a car that is being driven down a barren highway, that has absolutely no traffic. Something happens that causes you to get into a wreck. You survive, and can get out of the car, but the driver can't. The driver is the person you love the most out of everyone you know. They are trapped in the mangled car and cannot get out by any means availble to you. The wrecked car starts on fire while the loved one is still in it, and you have a gun that is loaded with one bullet. You don't have a cell phone, and it would take hours for help to get there anyway. Who do you kill? Do you shoot the loved one, so they don't have to suffer being burned alive, or do you shoot yourself, so you don't have to witness their death? I have a feeling this topic might be locked. -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:28
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I think i would just sit in the car with them, but how would i know unless i was actually in that situation. Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, March 4 2004 08:00 |
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:36
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Seems like it would be at least polite to ask the loved one if they wanted to be shot first. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:37
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Thanks for the laugh Thuryl Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, March 4 2004 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:56
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Well if you knew me, you'd know my answer: There is no way that I would not find a way to tear open the vehicle and rescue the person I love the most. No way. Besides, what violent accident like that could happen on a barren highway with no other traffic? -------------------- The critics agree! Demonslayer is "a five star hit!" raves TIMES Weekly! "I've never heard such thoughtful comments. This man is a genious!" says two-time Nobel Prize winning physicist Erwin Rasputin! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 15:58
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I would try to get the loved one out of the car at all cost. Even if I had information or good reason to believe that the loved one wouldn't make it regardless of my actions, I'd still try. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 16:04
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An animal jumped in front of your car, and to those humane ones of us, you swerved so you wouldn't hit it, an flipped your car in the process. Lets say this was a night, you hit a very large rock in the highway and it sent you fishtailing, you over-corrected and flipped your car. It was during the winter and you hit some black-ice on the highway and.....flipped your car. -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 16:52
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Wouldn't you yourself be severely damaged after that? I concur with TM, if somehow, after FLIPPING my car, and I was still able to walk, I would try to save the loved one. -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 17:13
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The idea is that there is absolutely no way they can be saved, and you know it. I'd ask them first, and then shoot them, if they wanted me to. -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Master
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 17:44
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i would save that person, or die trying. -------------------- Polaris - Weather balloons, ninjas, and your big daddy Wise Man. What more could you want? Undead Theories - Don't Ask, Don't Tell Posts: 3323 | Registered: Thursday, April 25 2002 07:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 18:08
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The choice, as presented, is shoot the person or shoot yourself. Shoot the person. They'll die anyway, and killing yourself won't really do anyone any good. -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 18:10
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That is really poorly put together. Because a person is trapped does not mean they will die. You try and put out the fire and hope you do not die in the process. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 18:34
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS GOOD, PURE, AND NOT STINKY, THE GODDAMN CHOICES ARE KILL THEM OR KILL YOURSELF CHOOSE ONE OR KEEP YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH SHUT EDIT: Or, if you wish, propose a new hypothetical. [ Saturday, December 18, 2004 18:37: Message edited by: The Almighty Doer of Stuff ] -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 19:52
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No, kill your self. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 20:12
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This has turned out to be ALOT funnier than it was supposed to be. Thanks ADoS. -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 20:30
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Everybody always tries to find some alternative to the basic two options to prevent themselves from choosing an option in which they kill. That is the problem with setting these in the real world; however, I guess morals in unreal worlds are kind of pointless unless you don't live where I do. If the person in the car is sure to die, then I am pretty sure using the bullet on him is, in any case, better than killing myself. If I shoot him, then I save him from some misery. Killing myself would just prove how stupid I am because if my only motivation for doing so was to not witness the other person's death, then why didn't I just turn away and cover my ears? But asking the person whether he wants to be euthanized is important. If he doesn't want to be shot, then I would just continue trying to either save him or put out the fire. -------------------- What do I put here? -Garrison Posts: 1415 | Registered: Thursday, March 27 2003 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 20:53
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How is this a question of morals, kill someone who is going to die anyway or kill yourself for no reason? Thats not morals, its stupid. A better and or more correct version would be if you were both trapped inside the car with no possible way out, and had a gun with one bullet. Or you and your loved one both were poisoned and there was only enough antidote for one, who would you choose? It's also much easier to say you would die for your friends and or family, but have you ever really thought about it? You'd literally have to accept death. One only finds out his own morals in these unlikely situations, where a different part of the brain takes over. When facing a dire situation do you run or help? Posts: 1233 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 21:02
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If I have to shoot somebody, I'd shoot them- duh. If I didn't have to shoot somebody, I'd try and save them. If I had to shoot the originator of this appallingly poorly made hypothetical situation, I'd do it gladly. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 21:41
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2015 Lynch, Las Cruces New Mexico. I'm waiting. -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 22:17
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This comes down to a question of euthanasia with the option to perform it on oneself for no particularly good reason. I am in favor of euthanasia; I would shoot a loved one if they asked for it. (I might not be able to sleep for the next month, but that's another story.) I cannot possibly imagine why I would want to shoot myself because someone else is dying. It solves absolutely nothing. If I were in the car as well, I'd like to think that I'd shoot the other person (again, with permission), but I don't know. Then again, I also don't know if I'd have the guts to shoot myself. —Alorael, who would like to add another permutation. What if you're trapped in the car with the other person, both of you immobilized and about to die, and somehow you are holding a gun to your own head but can't move it? Okay, the situation is contrived, but go along with it. Would you kill yourself quickly or not? Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 22:31
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Suppose you have made a suicide pact with your best friend. You each have a gun to the other's head in a position which will reuslt in an instantly fatal shot. You each hesitate -- so instant mutual death is not possible. (As for how you got there, assume that you both had your judgement incredibly impaired. Sub gender as necessary.) You want to live. You do not know about whether he does or not, but you know he will shoot; do you shoot him or let him shoot you? Assume you each have one bullet. If your failing to kill him wastes your bullet and makes him killing himself impossible, is your answer the same? What if the authorities are involved, and will inevitably capture whoever kills the other -- and there is no provision for self-defense... is your answer the same? What if this takes place near the South Pole and will not be remembered by history nor discovered by any authority -- is your answer the same? [ Saturday, December 18, 2004 22:44: Message edited by: Fear Uncertainty and Custer ] -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 22:34
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Finally, an interesting one. I'd shoot. If I know that I'm going to die and the other person has a gun in his/her hand, I'm not really going to have to go out of my way to prove that the situation was self-defense. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 22:47
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Depends... What kind of gun? Posts: 111 | Registered: Monday, June 30 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, December 18 2004 23:01
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Kiss him. -------------------- Forgive them, for they are young and rich and white. Posts: 265 | Registered: Saturday, December 29 2001 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, December 19 2004 01:07
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Shooting a bullet in my head, and utterly destroying my soul in this matter, would result in the total impossibility to be reanimated in far future. Thus, wishing to be conserved by society in extremely low temperature, trusting the rapidly improving technologies concerning healthcare of humanity and hoping that my family could afford the price of this conservation, I would, most probably, not commit suicide. Sigh. I'm so eccentric. Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00 |