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Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day! in General
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Alec. IT. WAS. AN. EXAMPLE. All I'm trying to say is that, based on affirmative action, minority members can get what they don't need, while majority members miss out on what they do need. Now, I'm sure that some minority members do need the aid - maybe a lot of them do. But there are also majority members who need the same aid, and won't get it, based on the color of their skin. If college aid were based on poverty rather than race, this would not be a problem. And as I've been saying for the last few pages, this probably would end up helping the minorities more than the majority. But it would also help those of the majority who need the help. Base aid on poverty, not race. That is a perfectly reasonable solution, one whose effects may not be so different from the current system on who gets the aid and who doesn't. But it would be far better, on principle; we would be giving aid by who needs it, not by who has the right color of skin.

Aside from that, I agree on the taxes, which is one of the reasons I get angry when people call me a Republican, rather than a conservative or a moderate. Tax cuts, especially tax cuts for the rich, are not going to help our country. Alec, you say that I've got more conservative viewpoints than I think I do. Maybe so, but I think I've also got more liberal viewpoints than you think I do.

Incidentally, I was just talking to my black friend about this. He originally said that affirmative action is needed, but said later in the conversation that we shouldn't need affirmative action at all, and agreed with what I've been saying about aid based on poverty rather than race. He also said that the problem is in grades k-12, not in college acceptance, and that if we'd focus on equality of the students and the quality of the education in grade schools, it would do a far better job of fixing this problem than affirmative action ever could. Just some food for thought.

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EDIT: Double-post, obvious. Better safe than sorry.

[ Sunday, January 25, 2004 17:35: Message edited by: Sir David ]

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quote:
Originally written by Custer Custer Revolution:

I said both ought to be decisive factors, and I meant it. The black community is threatened with oblivion due to centuries of mistreatment; treating them as if they are already on an equal footing with the white community is a fast and sweet-tasting road back to the near-slavery they suffered under in the first half of the 20th century.
I know that I'm guilty of making wild statements with no evident basis, but really, Alec, how could you be such a hypocrite? In other words, please explain yourself. I really don't understand how racial equality leads to racism and oppression.

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I'm sorry for the well-off C student who is not going to be able to buy a Camaro to impress his white-trash girlfriend thanks to that goddamn Affirmative Action, I really am. But quite frankly, there are worse problems in the world than the white man's burden.
Well, I'm sorry for the well-off C student too, Alec. But I'm quite a bit more sorry for the not-so-well-off A student who has been getting 3 or 4 hours of sleep a night, because when he gets home from his two jobs, which still haven't given him enough for an old rust bucket, he actually has to study and do his homework. The hard-working, white student, living in poverty, whose work and study results in nothing, nothing but a trailor and a few years at a community college, if he's lucky. And I can't say I feel too sorry for the rich, bright, and popular but lazy young man who can happily get by with a B in school, due to the fact that the color of his skin will get him into the college he wants, no matter how hard he works for it. I really can't say I feel too sorry for that poor, poor, downtrodden African American.

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Ok, people, lighten up, everything will be ok, etc, [insert optimistic nonsense here]. But seriously, don't worry about it. The RPs will be fine.

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What music (if any) are you listening to... in General
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Because It's Midnite, by Limozeen. Hah.

EDIT: Post 919 by member 919. Yay.

[ Sunday, January 25, 2004 16:36: Message edited by: Sir David ]

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Naming Creations in Geneforge Series
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Mine die too quickly, there's no reason to give them names. I basically use creations as cannon fodder.

Actually, come to think of it, I used to give them names before I realized how nice they work as cannon fodder. I always named my most powerful creation "Brutus", or "Brutilius", or something like that.

Why do you need to tell them apart, Drakey? Isn't the highlight thing good enough?

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Naming Creations in Geneforge
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Mine die too quickly, there's no reason to give them names. I basically use creations as cannon fodder.

Actually, come to think of it, I used to give them names before I realized how nice they work as cannon fodder. I always named my most powerful creation "Brutus", or "Brutilius", or something like that.

Why do you need to tell them apart, Drakey? Isn't the highlight thing good enough?

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A poll about spiderweb software in General
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Am I honestly the only one (out of 52 so far) who has registered Lost Souls?

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Amen to that. Alec, you've said repeatedly that the problem of African Americans is poverty. So why should we base aid on race? Why shouldn't we base it on poverty? Poor African Americans should get more help than rich Caucasians. Poor Caucasians should get more help than rich African Amreicans. That is it. Base aid on poverty, not on race. As I said, if that means more African Americans get aid, then so be it. But the decisive factor should not be skin color.

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*Heals Logo*

It's alright, people. ef, thanks, that's really good. As I pointed out to Motrax last night, when's the last time we had 7 members on Polaris at the same time? We'll survive, and more.

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Well, on the positive side, that was post 737 for Logo.

...my optimism is really suffering.

...or maybe I'm just going crazy. I must admit, I laughed when Logo told me what he had done. But then again, I'm sick, and it's getting late, and I never had much sanity in the first place. Whatever. I'm sure Logo will never be careless like this again, and he'll do what he can to get everything up and running, so it can't be a total loss.

ef, if you have some kind of backup forums, that would really help. The sooner, the better, because memory tends to deteriorate over time.

EDIT: Not laughing anymore, though =\

[ Saturday, January 24, 2004 18:50: Message edited by: Sir David ]

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Ehh, TGM, I wouldn't say "stopped", really... but you're right, I was the one who brought it up here, not you, and I apologize. Anyway, Logo doesn't hate you; I don't know about Shaper, but he really doesn't matter.

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quote:
Originally written by Milu:

In Finland - and we are a country which has been proud of its equality - it's been studied that in schools, boys tend to get good grades with less achievements than girls. There are many, many subtle ways of discriminating... I don't think anyone has a perfect solution to discrimination (one that wouldn't enable some other discrimination) but still, something has to be done.
Milu (is that your commonly-used name?), with affirmative action, you get the same problem - African Americans with less achievements than whites can get into college more easily. It's not the same as getting good grades with less achievements, of course, but it leads to the same thing.

Anyway, why are we setting blacks appart as different, needing special priveleges? Many are downtrodden and discriminated against - how does setting them apart and making them more priveleged than other Americans stop that? I mean, I can understand why cripples would get aid, for instance - they can't do what non-cripples can do, and should not be held to the same expectations. But blacks - unless they're crippled or whatever, something that has nothing to do with the color of their skin - blacks can work just as well if not better than whites, and should really need no more aid than anyone else would get.

For instance, I have a rich African American friend. He comes from a wealthy family, a good family, and is an intelligent person, and does well in school. He is not in as many advanced classes as I am, and I get slightly better grades than he does, generally. He also has considerably more money than I do, and could probably live off his parents' fortune, if he decided that he didn't want to do any work. And yet, even after all this, he is more likely to get into a college than I am. And why is this? Not because he is weak, or poor, or downtrodden, or smarter. It is because of the color of his skin.

Now, listen, I understand that the percentage of African Americans living in poverty is higher than that of Caucasians. But if we are going to give anyone an advantage, it should be based on the poverty, not the race. If this results in a higher percentage of African Americans getting aid than Caucasians, then so be it. But nobody should be at an advantage, nor at a disadvantage, based on the color of their skin.

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Troglodytes, the other dark meat in General
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I don't think they'd be completely eradicated (besides those in A3)... I mean, it says they have powerful magic, and they seem quite strong.. I'm guessing that there would still be pockets of troglos, at least. I'd love to make a scenario about this, once BoA comes out, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who could do it better.

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Pas de Deux? Or something like that...

EDIT: Yay, post 2300. A fifth of the way to 3500.

EDIT2: ...from 2000, that is.

[ Saturday, January 24, 2004 13:41: Message edited by: Sir David ]

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quote:
Originally written by Simply Logalot:

...spamming so hard it got on the walls.
Hahaha! I like that almost as much as "harder than the nipples of a blind lesbian in a fish market".

TGM, seriously. If everybody hates you, which they don't, you're still not doing too good of a job fixing that.

Logo, good luck.

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quote:
Originally written by Custer Custer Revolution:

Actually, he's saying that the whites are confusing a demand for equalizing priveleges for a demand for unilateral favoritism.
A demand for equalizing priveleges. kthxbye

Djur, I read everything on that page. Digging them out of the hole and then piling more dirt on to put them on a hill is not equality.

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Well, that does change things a bit. However, there is this:

"A section of the white population, perceiving Negro pressure for change, misconstrues it as a demand for privileges..."

The key word is "misconstrues". He is saying in this quote that, when the white population thinks that Negros are demanding privileges, they are wrong.

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Martin Luther King, Jr. - "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Tell me, how does sending an African American to college instead of a Caucasian with a better grade and more qualifications not go against MLK's teachings? Affirmative action is pure, unadultered racial discrimination. I'd love to hear what MLK would say if his four little children were picked to go college, chosen above four little white children with better grades, more community service hours, etc.

Alorael, no racism makes sense. Resentment, sure. I can understand that. But discriminating agaisnt the great-grandchildren of their oppressors is not going to help. Equal rights are supposed to be equal; discrimination against whites does not make the rights equal.

Imagine the response if a white child was chosen over a black child to go to college, and the reason given was that the white child was white.

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Well, if he's upgrading or switching to Namox, it's alright...

Imby's correct, JF, I was not making fun of you. If anything, I was making fun of his use of "SIRS" rather than "SIR", and even that would be stretching it.

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What music (if any) are you listening to... in General
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Better than me, Motrax, I'll say that...

Listening to The Last Supper, Andrew Lloyd Webber.

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Wait, Zharrad, you left in September? When did you join? I think I left in September too... but I don't remember you...

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Yeah, you have to go by member numbers, signatures, veterans' responses, and posting styles. I find it frustrating too; that's why I rarely change my profile or my moniker.

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"Everybody" = myself and Ironweed...

I agree with you, Ironweed, about the sci-fi RP. Space RP's on Spidwerweb have a history of going bad, though... well, we'll see.

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You poor thing.

I say Moses should get a patent and a trademark on the word 'nephilim'.

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