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Originally written by Stillness:

Intuition can be a guide because morality is hardwired. The universality of laws against things like murder and theft are a testament to absoluteness.

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If Jehovah is real he’ll determine whether or not we chose correctly. If the Jainist diety is then the same goes for him.

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Originally written by Ephesos:

-At the very end Harry wakes up to find Patrick Duffy in the shower, and it was all a dream.

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Originally written by Stillness:

You can become enlightened and recognize that your culture’s code is not the most moral because it’s not the most fair.

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Originally written by Drew:

Well, to the extent that the aim of utilitarianism is to maximize happiness, absolutely. Pareto efficiency - w00t!

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Originally written by Stillness:

We all have morality and it varies from person to person, so in that sense it is based on how we feel. So the question comes down to what do you feel is best when examining two seperate standards - a question you did not answer.

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I'm not really out to convince you at this point Thuryl. If you think as many people die now as in the past or in the same percentages then go ahead.

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Originally written by Stillness:

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

from dictionary.com. I would say atheism fits this definition.

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Even if you have a definition that would exclude atheism, the point is that they behave as the religious do in many ways. Even when they lack devotion to gods, they still have "higher" aspirations. It goes toward the argument that it's part of our nature.

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Originally written by CommonGenius.com:

So if the designer demands 5 woodsmen, and the party has only 4 pcs all with the woodsman trait, the demand succeeds? Is that a reasonable interpretation of the designer's intent?

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Originally written by Stillness:

It’s morally cleaner in my opinion. I don’t want someone killed because he’s starving and steals a loaf of bread. I would like him to compensate, though. Although I realize that in reality the things our parents do affect us, I don’t want punishment for a crime my father commits to fall on me. I want to be judged based on my actions. I also don’t think punishment for a crime should be lessened because a person belongs to a higher class. How do you feel about it, Thuryl?

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Originally written by Thuryl:

Citing sources doesn't mean much when the source you cite is itself just a bunch of unsourced claims.

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So you think it’s wrong? If so, what part? The figures from the past century? The previous 1900? Both?

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Originally written by Stillness:

Logic is good, but it should be used properly. When my mother says something I’m thinking 1) she’s not insane or otherwise mentally imbalanced, 2) She has always wanted the best for me and worked toward that end and stuck by my side through thick and thin. That is the way my logic works. For most (but not all) those are true. So if your mother says something the question is not, “what does she have to gain from me?” or “is she crazy?” The question becomes how qualified is she to assess a situation and report it accurately.

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Some insects are unhealthy or dangerous and deadly. Also constantly carrying a broom and sweeping would be quite restrictive. I would not adhere to your religion because it’s not very practical.

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That is one of the reasons the Bible is convincing to me, because what it teaches is practical.

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That being said the mosaic is morally cleaner. For example a thief could be punished with death while Hebrew law required compensation.

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http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1650
“Three times as many people--110 million--fell victim to war in this century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.”

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Originally written by Other Eras of Bounty:

That depends on your definition of religion. Of course atheism meets some criteria, but there are rather important differences between atheism and other religions.

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Originally written by Stillness:

If you don’t see more people dying numerically as well as proportionally as an increase in bloodshed I don’t really know what to tell you that won’t sound disrespectful.

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Originally written by Lord_Ian:

can you only do it once a day?

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Originally written by Archmage Alex:

Or, is it simply that after you use a Battle Discipline you must wait a certain number of rounds before using any other Battle Discipline? With, for example, BD 'x' requiring you wait 5 rounds before you can use any other Battle Discipline and BD 'y' requiring you wait 3 rounds?

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Originally written by Haakai-Tender Valcrist:

Wait..so its a sling that uses the Bow Stats..I thought slings use the Thrown Missiles Stats? Or did TM did it in purpose?

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Originally written by Haakai-Tender Valcrist:

Thanks for the link..now all we need is the best equipment list for a specific class (Warrior, Wizard, etc.). Also, is there no better sling than the Blessed Sling?

FYI: For those who don't know..slings don't need ammo..

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Originally written by Randomizer:

Arguing divorce rates are higher because of living longer fails to consider the extremely short marraiges.

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Originally written by Stillness:

That's a bizzare and pessimistic view, Thuryl.

There's a study somewhere by the department of health that shows that something like 4-5 out of 10 marriages won't make it to 15 years. I have heard of seniors getting divorced nowadays, but I can't see your ideas having any substantial contribution to that phenomenon. Old people can be selfish and have a lack of regard for the sanctity of marriage just like young people. I doubt it's anything more than that.

EDIT: As a side note I just want to add that people aren't really living any longer than in ancient Bible days. The numbers may go up and down depending on culture and era, but it's the same right now as in the days of Moses.

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Originally written by Laudimir:

Also, I generally agree with Stillness' point about defining Christianity. Just because I claim to be Christian does not mean that I am. I can do and say whatever I want, but that doesn't mean its true. I might look and say that I am Mexican (I say this because I have/had friends that have made jokes about me looking Mexican), but I am not. I'm sure it could be proven that I am not [mexican, that is].

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